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Post by ghost on Oct 14, 2020 7:26:58 GMT
Owen has been ruined for me when I learnt the actor playing him heavily virtue signaled about LN last year. I was going to watch it, but then I read this post and it's put me off the whole thing. I know that's silly, but it is what it is. Fuck em.
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Post by Liberian Girl on Oct 14, 2020 8:57:11 GMT
I'm looking forward to watching it. I've an open mind. I am disappointed there's a cast member who has slated MJ on there, but I'll still give it a go. I won't throw the entire show under the bus for that reason. I'll just watch the episodes and judge on the shows own merit.
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Post by respect77 on Oct 14, 2020 11:22:09 GMT
Yeah, I didn't throw the entire show under the bus because of that. I threw it under the bus because it disappointed me after Hill House.
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Post by Russg on Oct 14, 2020 12:41:40 GMT
Owen has been ruined for me when I learnt the actor playing him heavily virtue signaled about LN last year. I was going to watch it, but then I read this post and it's put me off the whole thing. I know that's silly, but it is what it is. Fuck em. Seriously, like, are you 12?
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Post by Snow White on Oct 14, 2020 16:45:39 GMT
The tension, horror and creepiness are better achieved in Hill House for sure but many thought Bly Manor was a sequel when the things they just have in common are Mike Flanagan as creator and writer and some actors were called back to play different characters.
The Haunting of Hill House is a book written by Shirley Jackson and The Turning of The Screw by Henry James. The authors lived in different eras so, the horrors of the Gothic period and the 20th century are perceived differently.
Even though I was expecting the same brilliance Mike Flanagan achieved with Hill House, Bly has its own merits despite not loving it. I was underwhelmed by the quality of the story but I don't hate it, neither I think it's totally bad.
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Post by ghost on Oct 14, 2020 18:12:25 GMT
I was going to watch it, but then I read this post and it's put me off the whole thing. I know that's silly, but it is what it is. Fuck em. Seriously, like, are you 12? I already said it was silly. But I care way more about MJ than some random Netflix series, and I just don't like supporting people who threw MJ under the bus based on nothing but media sensationalism. I'm not going to apologise for not wanting to support Oprah, Ellen, Matt Lucas, Louis Thereoux etc. These people meant jack shit to me before LN, so it's hardly a great hardship on my part to boycott their programmes. If it was someone I liked or a programme I wanted to watch badly enough, I would possibly try and "separate the art from the artist", which was ironically a phrase they used against MJ last year. Well, it works both ways. I find these people repugnant, so their output would have to be really something outstanding for me to want to look the other way regarding their views on MJ/LN.
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Post by MattyJam on Oct 14, 2020 18:41:00 GMT
Seriously, like, are you 12? I already said it was silly. But I care way more about MJ than some random Netflix series, and I just don't like supporting people who threw MJ under the bus based on nothing but media sensationalism. I'm not going to apologise for not wanting to support Oprah, Ellen, Matt Lucas, Louis Thereoux etc. These people meant jack shit to me before LN, so it's hardly a great hardship on my part to boycott their programmes. If it was someone I liked or a programme I wanted to watch badly enough, I would possibly try and "separate the art from the artist", which was ironically a phrase they used against MJ last year. Well, it works both ways. I find these people repugnant, so their output would have to be really something outstanding for me to want to look the other way regarding their views on MJ/LN. I don't think that's silly at all. I completely get that. I stopped watching Louis Theroux because of his douchebaggery virtue signalling on Twitter. I don't hate the guy, or stick pins in a voodoo doll with a lock of his hair or anything, but he lost me as a fan because of what he said about MJ. If people think that's OTT I don't really care. Am I a little overly-defensive about MJ? Probably, but only because, as a fan, I feel like I've had to be over the years.
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Post by MattyJam on Oct 14, 2020 18:47:44 GMT
I still like Russell Brand and South Park, who have both made some pretty below the belt jokes about MJ before. But it doesn't bother me so much with those, probably because with that kind of comedy, nothing is sacred and everyone is fair game. I can just roll my eyes and forget about it. But when people virtue signal on social media, it feels different and really sours me to the individual.
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Post by respect77 on Oct 15, 2020 6:29:18 GMT
For me it depends on the level of attack on MJ by that person and the product where I'm supposed to "separate the art and the artist".
For example I don't listen to KISS because Gene Simmons is pretty invested in the MJ bashing. It wasn't just a one off either, but he did it many times, often just bringing him up with no reason.
In this particular case, this actor in Bly Manor was also pretty bad in his virtue signaling last year as I remember. It wasn't brought to my attention that it was the same person until I was several episodes into the series. I decided to separate the art and artist in this case because a movie is a product of many, many people, not just one (in music I think you are in a more "intimate" relationship with the performer), also because I was already watching it and his role was a side role, not a main character.
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Post by Snow White on Oct 19, 2020 1:49:06 GMT
I found the most famous adaptation of The Turning of the Screw, which is the gothic horror movie of 1961 called The Innocents. Having seen the movie now , I noticed the Netflix series took references of the 1961 film but the creators' mistakes were to modernize it, taking elements of other Henry James' books that had nothing to do with The Haunting of Bly Manor, IMO and turning it into a love story minimizing the haunting element.
The movie is superior, creepier and at times more frightening.
This upload has a bigger screen but has Spanish subs. Whichever suits you better while watching.
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Post by Nighty on Oct 19, 2020 7:23:48 GMT
I found the most famous adaptation of The Turning of the Screw, which is the gothic horror movie of 1961 called The Innocents. Having seen the movie now , I noticed the Netflix series took references of the 1961 film but the creators' mistakes were to modernize it, taking elements of other Henry James' books that had nothing to do with The Haunting of Bly Manor, IMO and turning it into a love story minimizing the haunting element. The movie is superior, creepier and at times more frightening. This upload has a bigger screen but has Spanish subs. Whichever suits you better while watching.
This puts such a smile on my face - the fact that this forum has some like-minded, genuine horror fans that knows what they're talking about. And thank you for sharing the links.. I have nothing else to add really, I just wanted to acknowledge the fact that this post (and the thread) just made me very happy..
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Post by Liberian Girl on Oct 21, 2020 11:45:50 GMT
Well, I've watched the entire series now of Bly Manor. I seem to be in the minority here, but I genuinely loved it. I can see why some people didn't like the middle couple of episodes (NOT because they were bad, but because they really changed tack and style around that point) but as a whole, I just...loved it. I felt really immersed in the central character's life and emotional stresses, and I loved the relationships that developed between the characters in general. The setting was spooky and there was a lot of creepy atmosphere. I thought the cast were strong in general.
I don't see this series as any way related to Hill House, there is nothing in common other than a couple of actors and the director - the story and setting and everything about it is entirely it's own thing.
I had a lot of fun watching it, found it quite an addictive show. I found the last episode an absolute heart-breaker but very beautifully done. I won't put spoilers here in case anyone here wants to still watch it, but I think it ended stunningly.
I rate it quite highly overall. I'd definitely return and give it another viewing in the future.
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Post by respect77 on Oct 21, 2020 12:06:05 GMT
I found the last episode an absolute heart-breaker but very beautifully done. As a romantic movie it was moving at the end. I guess a romantic movie was just not what I really wanted from it.
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Post by Snow White on Oct 21, 2020 15:40:21 GMT
I really wanted to love the series but I was expecting horror stories as I got with Hill House. It doesn't mean it's a bad product, I still liked it.
Mike Flanagan knows and highly respects the genre. I truly commend he takes time and effort to develop stories and motivations for the characters, which is mostly missing in contemporary horror films. Another good director is Jennifer Kent but she has directed The Babadook and The Nightingale as far as I'm aware of.
I forgot to point out that Bly Manor explained Peter Quint's and Ms. Jessel's motives better than The Innocents movie.
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Post by MattyJam on Oct 25, 2020 10:56:17 GMT
I've started watching this, but I gotta say, the narrator is very off-putting. That has to be the worst fake British accent I've ever heard in a big production. She slips into about half a dozen different dialects and anybody actually living in Britain would find it hilarious to the point of parody.
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