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Post by Thriller on Jan 28, 2018 3:25:02 GMT
Joy is another case of a mother living her dreams of fame and stardom through her children. We've seen/heard from Shirley Temple, Elizabeth Taylor, Michael himself and Macaulay Culkin that were their parents who pressured to work on showbusiness since a very young age, putting on them responsibilities children of their age shouldn't had had, exploiting them and damaging them at the end, not other external people. Michael tried to help, plead to Joy not to ruin Robson's childhood and how that son of a bitch paid him? Using him as a scapegoat to get money. He should've sued his mother, not Michael.This is the crux of all his claims. If he wants to claim he was sexually abused, and blame somebody for it, then the blame lies at Joy's door. Joy is the sole reason he was ever even around MJ. It was Joy who desperately tried to get a hold of MJ not MJ trying to get a hold of them, nor MJ through his companies. Then with this latest blog post, Joy was the one not letting him be a child and play. However, suing his Mother won't result in any money. However, suing MJ could. So he projects everything onto MJ. This is interesting in respect's post and further shows his true issue: "[Wade and Chantal] have always been busy and I think boredom breeds trouble. […] My kids worked every weekend, every school vacation, their birthday parties were backstage, their Christmas parties were backstage. No regrets." Not just the 'boredom breeds trouble'.
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Post by respect77 on Feb 2, 2018 14:57:29 GMT
Robson now addresses us, fans, so I couldn't help but reply. Will be interesting to see if he will delete my reply. LOL.
His post:
"TO THOSE WHO HATE ME February 1, 2018 To those who hate me…
“F**k you! Die! Liar! Coward! Parasite! Traitor! Wait till we catch you in the streets. May god have mercy on your rotten soul. Watch your back. Youʻre gonna burn in hell!”
The above are some of the many feelings and thoughts, in defense of Michael Jackson, that you have written to me via social media and email over the last 5 years. Depending upon the state that I am in, sometimes they roll off my back, sometimes they hurt, sometimes they make me angry, and sometimes they make me laugh; but they always make me present.
Here is what I believe you believe: Michael Jackson was my idol as a child and I was lucky enough to have the privilege of meeting him. He became my friend and took me under his wing. He loved me, cared for me, taught me, and helped me tremendously in my entertainment business career. I lovingly and vehemently defended Michaelʻs innocence as a child sexual abuser in court multiple times, denying that he had EVER done anything inappropriate to me and that he would ever do that to any other child. I sang his praises and defended his innocence in hundreds of interviews over the years. Then, seemingly out of nowhere, I completely changed my story and said that Michael Jackson sexually abused me for several years and caused me psychological, emotional and physiological pain. I then sued his estate and entities for money. From your perspective, what really happened was that my career and life fell apart, I ran out of money and since Michael was already dead, I decided to betray the man whom had given me the world, and fabricate an elaborate lie about him; all for the sake of money and fame.
If something along those lines is what you believe to be true, I understand why you hate me.
Although Iʻm not sure that many of you who hate me have any interest in entertaining the whole truth, if I am wrong and you do, I invite you to click and read the following links. Link 1 - Link 2 - Link 3
Often, us humans only believe in the truth we WANT to believe in; we see what we want to see. I understand the resistance or complete unwillingness to see someone that we idolize and adore, someone that has given and taught us so much, someone that is so positively intertwined in the fabric of our lives, in a negative light. It can feel as though, if we were to see and acknowledge that darkness in them, we would have to re-write our own life story, re-design our entire belief system and that is often too overwhelming and painful of an idea to even entertainment for a moment. Instead, often we choose not to believe or look the other way and demonize the one who is challenging our long held beliefs because that is easier then having to re-examine all that we “KNOW" to be true.
This is a most understandable human phenomenon when the person we are defending is someone that we actually knew personally; someone that was physically and emotionally a real part of our lives. But an impenetrable and violent resistance to an alternate or expanded view of someone becomes troubling when we actually never knew that someone personally, at all. When we were not actually a physical part of each others lives. When we most likely never even met them. When our only interaction with that person was that of a fan, idolizing their creative talent from afar and believing with all of our heart that we “KNOW" who they were based purely upon the image and persona that they and the massive marketing machine behind them designed and distributed to us for the sake of selling us music, merchandise and tickets. This is not a real relationship with someone whereby we have the capability of making an authoritative assessment as to who they truly were. Yet most of you who have and continue to send me angry, ugly, hateful, violent comments and threats are doing just that; making an assessment as to who Michael Jackson truly was, even though you did not know him and most likely never even met him. And then defending Michael, that someone whom you did not know, against another person whom you do not know, me.
Those who hate me, I do not need for you to believe, validate or support me. I am not trying to persuade you to take my side or ask you to stop believing and saying the things that you do. What Iʻm curious about is what it is inside of you, inside of many of us, that makes us take such violent actions and use such hateful words in order to defend what we "believe" to be true.
In my personal experience, when we are angry, often we are angry with ourselves and when we hate, itʻs because, at least to some degree, we hate ourselves.
Those who hate me, I honestly wish you peace and fulfillment. I wish you physical, mental and emotional health. I wish you love. I send you love.
Wade Robson. 2/2/18"
My reply:
Suzy 18 minutes ago · 0 Likes Since you have addressed here people who do not believe you, let me answer and I hope you won't delete it like you cowardly delete everyone who does not agree with you.
I am one of those people who do not beleive you. Not one bit. In fact, I know you have lied under a penalty of perjury - and no, not in 2005, but in this very case. You may come across emotional MJ fans, but my reason is not emotion or hate. I base my verdict on followig your court process closely, reading every court document, including your, your mother's and others' depositions. Therefore I know that your case against Jackson and what you represent here on this blog is full of nonsense, lies and half-truths. A declaration or a deposition is made under a penalty of perjury. There are claims in both of your court declaration and your deposition which are demonstrably untrue. Your own mother contradicts things that you claim. Therefore you have LIED under oath, Wade! Not in 2005, but now, in this case! You claim it is not for money, but you are willing to say anything to get around statutes of limitations even if it is a lie. Why if you are supposedly fighting for the "truth"?
I don't need to know Michael Jackson or have a personal relationship with him to be able to see demonstrable lies and contradictions on your part, Wade. Michael Jackson's person is not what I base my judgement on, but on cold facts that I can see in court documents.
It is a pity the readers of your blog do not see the totality of your case, so you fan fool them with a lot of nonsense here appealing to their emotions. Some of us, however, did actually make research, so you cannot fool us. Because that's what we base our verdict on.
I don't hate you Wade. I pity you. And I feel sorry for every poor soul on this blog who you manage to fool. Every real abuse victim who you further victimize by lying to them that you are one of them. Shame on you for not only exploiting Michael Jackson, but also real abuse victims this despicable way.
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Post by MattyJam on Feb 2, 2018 15:42:00 GMT
Robson now addresses us, fans, so I couldn't help but reply. Will be interesting to see if he will delete my reply. LOL. His post: "TO THOSE WHO HATE ME February 1, 2018 To those who hate me… “F**k you! Die! Liar! Coward! Parasite! Traitor! Wait till we catch you in the streets. May god have mercy on your rotten soul. Watch your back. Youʻre gonna burn in hell!” The above are some of the many feelings and thoughts, in defense of Michael Jackson, that you have written to me via social media and email over the last 5 years. Depending upon the state that I am in, sometimes they roll off my back, sometimes they hurt, sometimes they make me angry, and sometimes they make me laugh; but they always make me present. Here is what I believe you believe: Michael Jackson was my idol as a child and I was lucky enough to have the privilege of meeting him. He became my friend and took me under his wing. He loved me, cared for me, taught me, and helped me tremendously in my entertainment business career. I lovingly and vehemently defended Michaelʻs innocence as a child sexual abuser in court multiple times, denying that he had EVER done anything inappropriate to me and that he would ever do that to any other child. I sang his praises and defended his innocence in hundreds of interviews over the years. Then, seemingly out of nowhere, I completely changed my story and said that Michael Jackson sexually abused me for several years and caused me psychological, emotional and physiological pain. I then sued his estate and entities for money. From your perspective, what really happened was that my career and life fell apart, I ran out of money and since Michael was already dead, I decided to betray the man whom had given me the world, and fabricate an elaborate lie about him; all for the sake of money and fame. If something along those lines is what you believe to be true, I understand why you hate me. Although Iʻm not sure that many of you who hate me have any interest in entertaining the whole truth, if I am wrong and you do, I invite you to click and read the following links. Link 1 - Link 2 - Link 3 Often, us humans only believe in the truth we WANT to believe in; we see what we want to see. I understand the resistance or complete unwillingness to see someone that we idolize and adore, someone that has given and taught us so much, someone that is so positively intertwined in the fabric of our lives, in a negative light. It can feel as though, if we were to see and acknowledge that darkness in them, we would have to re-write our own life story, re-design our entire belief system and that is often too overwhelming and painful of an idea to even entertainment for a moment. Instead, often we choose not to believe or look the other way and demonize the one who is challenging our long held beliefs because that is easier then having to re-examine all that we “KNOW" to be true. This is a most understandable human phenomenon when the person we are defending is someone that we actually knew personally; someone that was physically and emotionally a real part of our lives. But an impenetrable and violent resistance to an alternate or expanded view of someone becomes troubling when we actually never knew that someone personally, at all. When we were not actually a physical part of each others lives. When we most likely never even met them. When our only interaction with that person was that of a fan, idolizing their creative talent from afar and believing with all of our heart that we “KNOW" who they were based purely upon the image and persona that they and the massive marketing machine behind them designed and distributed to us for the sake of selling us music, merchandise and tickets. This is not a real relationship with someone whereby we have the capability of making an authoritative assessment as to who they truly were. Yet most of you who have and continue to send me angry, ugly, hateful, violent comments and threats are doing just that; making an assessment as to who Michael Jackson truly was, even though you did not know him and most likely never even met him. And then defending Michael, that someone whom you did not know, against another person whom you do not know, me. Those who hate me, I do not need for you to believe, validate or support me. I am not trying to persuade you to take my side or ask you to stop believing and saying the things that you do. What Iʻm curious about is what it is inside of you, inside of many of us, that makes us take such violent actions and use such hateful words in order to defend what we "believe" to be true. In my personal experience, when we are angry, often we are angry with ourselves and when we hate, itʻs because, at least to some degree, we hate ourselves. Those who hate me, I honestly wish you peace and fulfillment. I wish you physical, mental and emotional health. I wish you love. I send you love. Wade Robson. 2/2/18" My reply: Suzy 18 minutes ago · 0 Likes Since you have addressed here people who do not believe you, let me answer and I hope you won't delete it like you cowardly delete everyone who does not agree with you. I am one of those people who do not beleive you. Not one bit. In fact, I know you have lied under a penalty of perjury - and no, not in 2005, but in this very case. You may come across emotional MJ fans, but my reason is not emotion or hate. I base my verdict on followig your court process closely, reading every court document, including your, your mother's and others' depositions. Therefore I know that your case against Jackson and what you represent here on this blog is full of nonsense, lies and half-truths. A declaration or a deposition is made under a penalty of perjury. There are claims in both of your court declaration and your deposition which are demonstrably untrue. Your own mother contradicts things that you claim. Therefore you have LIED under oath, Wade! Not in 2005, but now, in this case! You claim it is not for money, but you are willing to say anything to get around statutes of limitations even if it is a lie. Why if you are supposedly fighting for the "truth"? I don't need to know Michael Jackson or have a personal relationship with him to be able to see demonstrable lies and contradictions on your part, Wade. Michael Jackson's person is not what I base my judgement on, but on cold facts that I can see in court documents. It is a pity the readers of your blog do not see the totality of your case, so you fan fool them with a lot of nonsense here appealing to their emotions. Some of us, however, did actually make research, so you cannot fool us. Because that's what we base our verdict on. I don't hate you Wade. I pity you. And I feel sorry for every poor soul on this blog who you manage to fool. Every real abuse victim who you further victimize by lying to them that you are one of them. Shame on you for not only exploiting Michael Jackson, but also real abuse victims this despicable way. Hahaha, great reply respect! Let us know if he replies or (most likely) deletes.
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Post by respect77 on Feb 2, 2018 16:46:43 GMT
I added this:
"Let me add this (while I say sorry for the typos in my previous post, I was in a hurry):
I don't know if you even realize the irony of this post. Your call out MJ fans on acting on belief in a person they didn't know, yet you ask the same of your followers when you reference your own blog posts as "the truth". In other words you ask them to believe YOU based on a faith in YOU. How is that any better than a faith in Michael Jackson?
BTW, even if you know someone, it doesn't mean you can't get fooled by him. In fact, a personal relationship with someone actually often clouds people's judgement of a person. For example, a sociopath easily can fool even his closest relatives - a mother, a wife, a sister - for many, many years. They trust him, they believe him and often even when a lie gets exposed, or when they deep down know their loved one lies, they rather stay in a denial about that person. There are countless of stories of people living with someone in a marriage or relationship for years and decades and not realizing they were being fooled. Or staying in denial even after everyone else already sees the problem. The point is, a personal relationship doesn't guarantee you a good judgement of a person or a situation. Often it actually does the contrary.
Make no mistake, Wade. Most of your fans and followers on this blog and even your family, support you based on a biased faith in you - based on a personal sympathy for you you, being fans of your dancing and choreography, some of them may be personal friends too, some avid MJ haters. All of this is just as biased as being an MJ fan who acts on emotion. Your fans and followers act on emotion too. They just picked your side. It is true that most people are like that in both camps. But some of us actually did research the case and court documents and can see all the things you don't tell your followers on this blog.
You can claim about MJ whatever you want and expect people to believe you, just because you tell them to believe you. It's not a fair situation, though, because MJ is not here to defend himself. It's only you who have a platform now to spread whatever you want: on the Today's Show, on RadarOnline, in Court, here. This is a very one-sided situation. It's just you one-sidedly trashing a dead person who cannot defend himself. A very convenient situation for you. On contrary to what your supporters think of your current actions, I do not consider this "bravery". Quite the contrary. You had all the opportunities in the world to make these claims and tell them in MJ's face while he was alive and could defend himself. You were an adult during his 2005 trial. You were an adult all those years you praised and defended him in the media - and also privately, may I add. Hell, you were begging John Branca to direct the Michael Jackson Cirque du Soleil show in 2011. I am sorry if I do not consider you now the epitome of bravery, but rather a person who is suspect of making up a story when that's what benefitted you in a changing life situation, where you crumbled under the pressures and expectations of your job and when suing Jackson's estate for money might have seemed like a good way out of that situation.
I think real abuse victims can find better heroes than you, Wade and I hope they do."
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Post by Snow White on Feb 2, 2018 17:28:51 GMT
^^What you added at your post is the very reason I hate him. He is a fucking despicable, coward who didn't tell Michael in his face he "abused" him, Michael left this world thinking he had a friend in Robson and conveniently sued him years after being dead not being able to defend himself which makes it more vile and disgusting. On top of it he's using and probably profiting from real victims of sexual abuse making them believe he champions them.
He said his actions were to help other victims but he harassed and wanted to force to testify to people who never claimed to be abused by Michael, how is that helping other victims?
Robson is a revolting individual who deserves nothing but contempt and rejection. I'll be happy the day he decides to kill himself.
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Post by respect77 on Feb 2, 2018 17:36:47 GMT
^ I agree, except I don't want him to kill himself and become a martyr for MJ haters. But I do want him to suffer for all the lies he is telling. I want Amanda and Wade's son when he grows up to realize what a lying piece of shit Wade actually is.
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Post by Snow White on Feb 2, 2018 17:50:18 GMT
^^I see what you're saying but didn't haters detached from Robson because they found his accusations troubling due to the numerous contradictions? Or were just the "MJ facts" individuals who didn't believe him? I ask because they're obsessed haters masked as reasonable people.
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Post by Thriller on Feb 2, 2018 18:03:12 GMT
I responded also. 'I wish you all love' to people who don't believe him. He's so fake.
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Post by respect77 on Feb 2, 2018 18:07:03 GMT
I don't think it is a monolith group. The Wade Robson's Allys guy, Mike Parr or what's his name, seems to be fanatical of Robson to the point of naivity. It was Desiree who expressed some doubt about him and they had a falling out with Parr over that. I don't think she goes as far as saying she doesn't believe the abuse claims - that would be spitting on everything they work for -, but I think she, and some others, did lament things they find hard to believe in Wade's claims. But they rationalize it more like in "the end justifies the means" way, ie. "well, if he lies in court to get around statutes, for example, it is OK, because he wants his "truth"". Not realizing what a nonsense that is. If someone is willing to lie in one thing they will be willing to lie in anything. If someone claims his lawsuit is for the "truth" it discredits him when it turns out he is lying in court docs. That exposes dishonesty.
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Post by Thriller on Feb 2, 2018 18:16:23 GMT
'Yet most of you who have and continue to send me angry, ugly, hateful, violent comments and threats are doing just that; making an assessment as to who Michael Jackson truly was, even though you did not know him and most likely never even met him.'
Basically, if you have never met MJ nor Wade, yet believe Wade, that's fine.
However, if you have never met MJ nor Wade, but don't believe him, then that's a problem.
Does he not see the irony? His post is a way to try and gain sympathy from his few followers. As if the fans who don't believe him have never read a single claim he's made, when that is just simply not true.
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Post by mjjfan810 on Feb 2, 2018 19:26:37 GMT
He won't respond.
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Post by jaywonder on Feb 2, 2018 22:41:28 GMT
hey thriller, I'm sure Dani is loving that recent blog post lol
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Post by Thriller on Feb 2, 2018 22:51:55 GMT
hey thriller, I'm sure Dani is loving that recent blog post lol Lol indeed. And she'll probably believe the things he claims people have said to him. Just on that though, I wondered earlier if he'd gone looking for what fans said, then just now I recall somebody pointed out on MJJC a post he made on Instagram and he deleted it shortly thereafter. I can't remember the details now fully. However, it shows that he visited MJJC and so I wouldn't be surprised if he took what people said from there and claimed they'd been sent directly to him. Also this struck me as odd regarding the supposed comments he's received from fans - 'Depending upon the state that I am in, sometimes they roll off my back, sometimes they hurt, sometimes they make me angry, and sometimes they make me laugh; but they always make me present.' I don't see how people saying such nasty things to you regarding you being sexually abused could ever be funny.
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Post by MattyJam on Feb 4, 2018 13:05:52 GMT
So did he delete these replies?
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Post by respect77 on Feb 4, 2018 14:35:03 GMT
No, he hasn't reacted yet in any way.
There are 25 comments. Some, unfortunately, feed into the "crazy MJ fan" stereotype, stupidly not realizing that's exactly what he wants. But his supporters are not any smarter either. LOL.
The latest:
LOL. So because there are other abuse cases on TV we should believe Wade. Brilliant logic! LMAO.
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