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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Oct 4, 2021 13:30:25 GMT
there's two stories. others say he was while others say he didn't. i really have to sit down and watch the movie myself to see. but it have been said in the last days he wasn't well and didn't look good. so let me watch the movie whenever that will be.... The evidence came out in Murray's trial and this includes the prosecution's own medical expert witnesses. I've provided all that in another thread too. There's ONE story here. The other one is from fans with no real sense of perspective who ignore all evidence that doesn't fit what they believe. And, no, all opinions are NOT equal. oh wow that's very sad. i always thought he was sick. are you sure? because people saying once Michael left that stage that night he was very ill. he couldn't sleep and lost so much weight. |
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Post by HIStoric on Oct 4, 2021 13:59:24 GMT
oh wow that's very sad. i always thought he was sick. are you sure? because people saying once Michael left that stage that night he was very ill. he couldn't sleep and lost so much weight. Speaking about his weight, Michael’s autopsy says he was 136lbs when he died, so about 61.7kg. That is underweight for someone of his height, but I don’t think it’s that drastic of a difference to what he normally was on previous tours. Still, he was older and it definitely was not the healthiest anyway. He was always underweight. He couldn’t sleep well on any of his tours. He says in that private home videos documentary from the early 2000s that he goes through hell when he tours. They were always really shit for him. |
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Post by HIStoric on Oct 4, 2021 14:11:08 GMT
i'm actually talking about both really. but i was actually talking about the song. but yeah that was another thing too. Michael pretty much was gonna do this show for two reasons. one because of course he needed the money and two was because he wanted to see that people still liked him. i actually feel bad for Mike though. yes he need the money but also he wasn't up for it. he wasn't sleeping or eating. he also was 50. he wasn't that old but his body was aging. i will say he was in good shape for his age months before he died. See that’s just confusing. You say you were talking about the song, but the post I just replied to clearly was talking about the movie since you’re speaking about him being on the stage and what not. But anyway. Now that the doors are open... I do feel sorry for Michael, of course. I wish he didn’t feel he had to put on the show that would push someone half his age to the brink, let alone a 50 year old man. I was speaking the other day in the general musings thread it would’ve been great to see him transition to a show that was less physically taxing, where he didnt dance around as much but simply sit or stand and sing live, with instrumentalists/an orchestra what have you. I go more in detail on that thread so feel free to have a read, but I like to think it would’ve helped his with the extreme stress he faced, and I like to think people would be understanding of the transition. Sadly, I think he felt he was trapped in his ways and had to do it a certain way to please fans and this led to some pretty negative consequences on his health. So I definitely feel sorry for him in that way. However, at the same time, my sympathy for his money situation only goes so far. He was incredibly irresponsible with money at that point in his life and kept spending up like it was 1984. He had way more money than literally 99.99% of people on the planet and many high-earning investments (the man was a juggernaut in the music publishing industry, never mind his own music catalogue) yet still incurred astronomical debts. It’s harder to feel sorry for him in that regard because you need to be pretty reckless with your finances to end up like that. |
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Post by pg13 on Oct 4, 2021 15:52:58 GMT
oh wow that's very sad. i always thought he was sick. are you sure? because people saying once Michael left that stage that night he was very ill. he couldn't sleep and lost so much weight. Speaking about his weight, Michael’s autopsy says he was 136lbs when he died, so about 61.7kg. That is underweight for someone of his height, but I don’t think it’s that drastic of a difference to what he normally was on previous tours. Still, he was older and it definitely was not the healthiest anyway. He was always underweight. He couldn’t sleep well on any of his tours. He says in that private home videos documentary from the early 2000s that he goes through hell when he tours. They were always really shit for him. Michael was only slightly underweight for his height and the medical expert did state it was of no concern. |
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Oct 4, 2021 23:53:11 GMT
oh wow that's very sad. i always thought he was sick. are you sure? because people saying once Michael left that stage that night he was very ill. he couldn't sleep and lost so much weight. Speaking about his weight, Michael’s autopsy says he was 136lbs when he died, so about 61.7kg. That is underweight for someone of his height, but I don’t think it’s that drastic of a difference to what he normally was on previous tours. Still, he was older and it definitely was not the healthiest anyway. He was always underweight. He couldn’t sleep well on any of his tours. He says in that private home videos documentary from the early 2000s that he goes through hell when he tours. They were always really shit for him. yeah. he lost weight while touring and rehearsing. he gain some pounds later in life. either because he wasn't touring or because one of his doctors told him to eat more portion. which he wasn't a big fan of meat. LOL! he went heck touring because all the stuff was going on. fans passing out, him and his team have to rehearse, the media, etc. hahaha. he said he was gonna retired after the Bad tour. but he didn't also he was a introvert. in my opinion Michael did awesome on the Bad tour. one of my favorite eras because he goes solo without his brothers. everyone has their own opinions of the Bad era but for me he really shine out. not only that his clothes get more awesome. |
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Oct 7, 2021 5:38:52 GMT
i'm actually talking about both really. but i was actually talking about the song. but yeah that was another thing too. Michael pretty much was gonna do this show for two reasons. one because of course he needed the money and two was because he wanted to see that people still liked him. i actually feel bad for Mike though. yes he need the money but also he wasn't up for it. he wasn't sleeping or eating. he also was 50. he wasn't that old but his body was aging. i will say he was in good shape for his age months before he died. See that’s just confusing. You say you were talking about the song, but the post I just replied to clearly was talking about the movie since you’re speaking about him being on the stage and what not. But anyway. Now that the doors are open... I do feel sorry for Michael, of course. I wish he didn’t feel he had to put on the show that would push someone half his age to the brink, let alone a 50 year old man. I was speaking the other day in the general musings thread it would’ve been great to see him transition to a show that was less physically taxing, where he didnt dance around as much but simply sit or stand and sing live, with instrumentalists/an orchestra what have you. I go more in detail on that thread so feel free to have a read, but I like to think it would’ve helped his with the extreme stress he faced, and I like to think people would be understanding of the transition. Sadly, I think he felt he was trapped in his ways and had to do it a certain way to please fans and this led to some pretty negative consequences on his health. So I definitely feel sorry for him in that way. However, at the same time, my sympathy for his money situation only goes so far. He was incredibly irresponsible with money at that point in his life and kept spending up like it was 1984. He had way more money than literally 99.99% of people on the planet and many high-earning investments (the man was a juggernaut in the music publishing industry, never mind his own music catalogue) yet still incurred astronomical debts. It’s harder to feel sorry for him in that regard because you need to be pretty reckless with your finances to end up like that. i wouldn't been disappointed if Michael didn't want to dance as much. he was 50. he wasn't young anymore and he knew that too. yeah i would agree it may have been disappointing to people who never got a change to see him on stage dance but at the sametime he wasn't in his 20's anymore. and Yeah. it's been said Michael was spending money like crazy. i don't think he was careful with money because he never leaned how to spend it wisely. he came from a poor home which is understandable. it's been said people told him to stop but, Michael was a stubborn dude. that's one of the traits i disliked about him. i would of been fine him making music then dancing or like you just said have him sitting and singing like most artists do once they get older. Prince was still touring before he died and knew he wasn't young anymore that's why he was mostly playing his guitar, piano, etc while touring and to make money as well. yeah i agree Michael should of when that route. but i can't understand why he didn't. he was suppose to be MICAHEL JACKSON. but sadly he and the media and even some fans forgot he was human. but he had to make money someway ugh. i feel people who are famous suffer more then people who not. we all suffer but i think those people have it worst. also his family was asking for money too and wouldn't leave him alone about touring with them again. ugh poor Michael. but i appreciate the work and memories he left us. |
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Post by kelley on Nov 14, 2021 6:15:37 GMT
Thanks to Quincy's lies the media has been slowly spreading the narrative of Michael "Stealing" stuff to discredit him as a song writer.
Anka is a nasty old fool. How could Michael "steal" something he helped write?
And this is it came out after Michael died and he knows this. He is just providing fodder for media's new narrative.
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Nov 14, 2021 10:13:45 GMT
i doubt michael stole those tapes
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Post by kelley on Nov 14, 2021 22:49:03 GMT
The Beatles actually stole so much stuff from Black artists. Yet no one will ever know because they are protected at all costs. youtu.be/8pfJRTU6J1sBut of course the media and people like anka and quincy will falsely brand Michael as the thief and the public lap it up like sheep. |
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