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Post by SoCav on Jan 29, 2022 13:59:10 GMT
I don't know if Rogan is an antivaxxer, per se. Is he? Or he's just invited an antivaxxer guest? Like Oprah did, you know. As far as I know the whoopla is about a particular show in which he invited Robert Malone who (misleadingly) advertises himself as THE inventor of mRNS vaccines, but is very antivaccine himself, therefore became the hero of antivaxxers. This show was watched by some 50 million people, so it became quiet popular. I don't trust Malone's personality, I feel he's driven by grudge and professional rivalry and jealousy. So I'm definitely no fan of this man. But what we are talking about is whether they should deplatform someone else because you disagree with his opinions or the guests they host. I personally don't think so. (Obviously within limits, eg. genocidal maniacs shouldn't get a platform etc.) Oprah comes into the picture because she's done basically the same thing (and yes her reach was tens of millions of people too), only her platform was the establishment media, so somehow that didn't create the same whoopla. Call it whataboutism, but in my view it's pointing out a double standard that's definitely there IMO. Oprah is good at flip-flopping (we have seen that re MJ as well, or the Central Park Five case etc) and she's going with her camp's mainstream now, so she doesn't peddle antivaxxer BS right now, but she used to in the past. IMO undermining trust in well established vaccines, like polio vaccine etc. is not any better than what Rogan is doing (or might even be worse). In fact, these old school (pre-Covid) antivaxxers and pseudoscientists she had hosted prepared the path for current Covid antivaxxers. And Oprah didn't just host antivaxxers, she regularly peddled all kinds of nonsensical pseudoscience. But other than the odd article here or there I didn't see much uproar about that one or boycott movements to deplatform her. He's peddled a lot of misinformation about the vaccines, not just by interviewing Malone. I used to listen to Rogan from time to time, because he would have on interesting guests from across the spectrum and would largely stick to the notion that he's "just a meathead, so what do I know?" But he's started to see himself as some sort of heroic anti-establishment figure - he's definitely become very full of himself. I check out the subreddit devoted to his podcast every now and then and even most of his long-time fans seem to feel that way. I do think podcasts like his, or Bret Weinstein's, sharing misinformation about COVID have been genuinely harmful. But I do see all your points. I do not think censorship is the solution either. Firstly, the mainstream media has indeed not been a good arbiter when it comes to deciphering good from bad information either - so who should end up making the decisions about what is palatable and what is not? It's a very dangerous proposition. Secondly, even if you ignore that, there is no way it would work. If Spotify were to cave to public pressure now and remove Rogan's podcast, then he'd just become more of a hero to people who are sensitive to the nonsense he shares. Moreover, it's not like people did not listen to Rogan before he joined Spotify - if anything, his podcast was bigger when he hosted it on his own site and YouTube. He'll just find another place to host his podcast. I also see what you are saying about the hypocrisy in some of these cases - it does feel a tad annoying. Oprah is indeed an example of someone who peddled absolute, and also truly damaging, nonsense over the years, but because of her status no one batted an eyelid. Rogan is more of an easy target for types like Neil Young. Apart from some streaming dollars, is he really putting anything on the line? He has not had this much press in years, and he's not really risking losing any credibility in the circles he runs in - if anything, he'll probably gain it. I'm not saying that he therefore should not stand for his principles (and I do not want to pretend to know his motivations) but I think it is a bit silly to present this as some sort of massively ballsy or revolutionary move (as I have seen some do online).
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Post by TonyR on Jan 29, 2022 18:02:04 GMT
Brilliance from James as usual.
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Post by ghost on Jan 30, 2022 6:58:27 GMT
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Post by Russg on Jan 30, 2022 7:05:02 GMT
I wonder if it had been Justin Bieber taking his music off instead of Neil Young whether Joni Mitchell and Foo Fighters would ve had this epiphany. It smacks more of bandwagon jumping to me than them really caring about the issue at hand.
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Post by respect77 on Jan 30, 2022 7:27:38 GMT
I also hear the whole tech sector is down these days so I doubt it's the Neil Young effect. The market usually nervously reacts to everything so maybe it has some part, but it only matters if it's going to have a long term effect.
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Jan 30, 2022 11:23:41 GMT
Neil wasn't blackmailing Spotify lol. Can clearly see in the full text that he had already decided he was removing it and just wanted his management to make it known. People posting the last sentence and trying to make it look that way is rather funny.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2022 12:53:02 GMT
Christ is this a thing now? That's enough Twitter for today.
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Post by TonyR on Jan 31, 2022 0:34:46 GMT
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Post by Russg on Jan 31, 2022 1:41:47 GMT
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Post by Russg on Jan 31, 2022 5:44:19 GMT
Anti establishment singers make millions singing their songs back then. Now griping over people questioning establishment rules. And I'm supposed to give a flying f...
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Post by SoCav on Jan 31, 2022 8:03:58 GMT
Rogan's response:
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Jan 31, 2022 13:16:11 GMT
Really weird to see how many people are in favour of mass spreading of covid misinformation.
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Jan 31, 2022 13:28:32 GMT
First part of this response was basically "it's just conversations bro". Also those things he mentioned that would get you banned on social media aren't all true lol. It's been my understanding since the vaccines were first introduced that they don't totally stop you spreading it or getting covid. Interesting that he didn't mention the time he told young people not to get the vaccines etc. Further research into things changing opinion is kinda what happens in science, inviting some people on your podcast who "reckon" something shouldn't be compared to that at all. When you have a platform that big you have a responsibility and he doesn't seem to realise that or care. It's good Spotify are adding disclaimers at the start though.
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Post by TonyR on Feb 4, 2022 18:04:31 GMT
In all fairness to Spotify, it is a bit like me refusing to post here anymore because MattyJam hasn't banned Cloudbuster for his Covid views.
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Post by respect77 on Feb 4, 2022 19:57:19 GMT
In all fairness to Spotify, it is a bit like me refusing to post here anymore because MattyJam hasn't banned Cloudbuster for his Covid views. Wouldn't that make Matty Spotify and you Neil Young?
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