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Post by Snow White on Mar 29, 2022 4:30:51 GMT
This should have been the most highlighted moment of the night because it was truly moving and inspiring but Chris and Will ruined the ceremony for everyone involved.
As a disabled person myself, this whole video warmed my heart.
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Mar 29, 2022 4:56:47 GMT
I don't feel sorry for chris rock. chris rock always seem shady to me. i never found his jokes funny and kind of cruel i don't think it's right to make fun of someone condition. if rock knew jada had a condition. then yes he was wrong and i don't blame will being angry about it.
will was wrong but i'm not gonna lie i stand with him. some people deserve to be slap in the face for their rude behavior. also will is human. we all gonna snap and loose our temper at sometime.
from what i heard will always had beef with chris and always wanted to slap him.
also it's sad that it took him so long to win an Oscar. so many movies will has done he just now winning an Oscar? ridiculous.
but i hope the two settle their situation. hate the that fact this is a meme now. πππ
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Post by pg13 on Mar 29, 2022 8:35:36 GMT
What I find interesting about this whole thing is that it really wasn't even that good of a joke anyway, making a random reference to some relatively obscure movie that came out 25 years ago? Like I consider myself fairly versed with movies and even I had to look that movie up. Never heard of it!
But because of his infamous Golden Globes hosting two years ago, this incident had me wondering how it would've gone down if Ricky Gervais was the one who said it. Man would probably have just doubled down π Could've easily come back with a joke about how his wife's name is in plenty of other men's mouths. But alas. It made me go watch his Golden Gloves introduction again and crack up lol.
I remember G.I. Jane with Demi Moore back then. IIRC, a real life story about female empowerment as the first woman to pass US Special Forces selection. Will and his wife could've chosen to see it in that light. From what I can see in online comments, most people didn't know Jada had alopecia and saw it as a stylistic buzz cut.
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Post by pg13 on Mar 29, 2022 8:44:15 GMT
Many people are just criticizing Will's behavior when both Will and Chris Rock were wrong, not just WS. Making jokes at the expense of people's medical conditions or appearance is not comedy, it is downright bullying. Is It axiomatic that Chris Rock knew about Jada's alopecia and was, therefore, making fun of her for it? I don't think it is, actually. You could just as easily argue that the G.I. Jane reference wasn't all that bad given that film is about female empowerment which was the zeitgeist of its time. Unfortunately, the zeitgeist of our time is one of victimhood in many areas. Where is the evidence Chris Rock knew about her alopecia? As for Will, he broke the law. Chris Rock didn't. That's why the focus is on him. I expected Will to have a word with him onstage which would have shamed Rock on the spot enough to retract it right then. In this scenario, Will would have come off better than Rock. By hitting him and Rock dealing with it well afterwards, I'm afraid it's Will who comes off worse. Now, the Academy may yet discipline Will. The trend for years has been for celebs in the audience at award shows in the UK and USA to be roasted. You expect it. It's one thing making a bad joke and another to hit someone in public.
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Post by mjjfan810 on Mar 29, 2022 10:19:46 GMT
He says it was "too much for him to bear" but he does realise he was shown on camera laughing at Chris's GI Jane joke, doesn't he? It was only when Jada seemed to act annoyed that all of a sudden it became "too much for him to bear."
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Post by pg13 on Mar 29, 2022 10:51:41 GMT
He says it was "too much for him to bear" but he does realise he was shown on camera laughing at Chris's GI Jane joke, doesn't he? It was only when Jada seemed to act annoyed that all of a sudden it became "too much for him to bear." Yeah, and that led to comments suggesting Will has been turned into a beta by Jada. Sure, thereβs plenty of comments along the lines of "August would've dealt with him like a man." It's a shame Will Smith has reduced himself to the butt of jokes now.
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Mar 29, 2022 14:15:13 GMT
I keep seeing people saying because he was laughing it means he found it hilarious. There's such a thing as nervous laughter or just going along with it because you want to be a good sport at these events. Maybe it took him a minute to process what Chris was actually saying. Still, he shouldn't have hit him obviously. I think he's probably not in the soundest of minds at the moment due to his personal life in relation to his marriage. Not an excuse to hit someone though. I'm unsure if Chris knew about her condition or not.
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Post by Snow White on Mar 29, 2022 14:39:55 GMT
Many people are just criticizing Will's behavior when both Will and Chris Rock were wrong, not just WS. Making jokes at the expense of people's medical conditions or appearance is not comedy, it is downright bullying. Is It axiomatic that Chris Rock knew about Jada's alopecia and was, therefore, making fun of her for it? I don't think it is, actually. You could just as easily argue that the G.I. Jane reference wasn't all that bad given that film is about female empowerment which was the zeitgeist of its time. Unfortunately, the zeitgeist of our time is one of victimhood in many areas. Where is the evidence Chris Rock knew about her alopecia? As for Will, he broke the law. Chris Rock didn't. That's why the focus is on him. I expected Will to have a word with him onstage which would have shamed Rock on the spot enough to retract it right then. In this scenario, Will would have come off better than Rock. By hitting him and Rock dealing with it well afterwards, I'm afraid it's Will who comes off worse. Now, the Academy may yet discipline Will. The trend for years has been for celebs in the audience at award shows in the UK and USA to be roasted. You expect it. It's one thing making a bad joke and another to hit someone in public. I'm not certain Rock knew but it's highly probable that he did because when Jada came forward reveling her condition it was trending topic. It's not that common women speak openly about having alopecia, even less common if it is famous actress.
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Mar 29, 2022 15:18:38 GMT
not every women like their hair cut or shaved.
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Post by pg13 on Mar 29, 2022 15:24:38 GMT
Is It axiomatic that Chris Rock knew about Jada's alopecia and was, therefore, making fun of her for it? I don't think it is, actually. You could just as easily argue that the G.I. Jane reference wasn't all that bad given that film is about female empowerment which was the zeitgeist of its time. Unfortunately, the zeitgeist of our time is one of victimhood in many areas. Where is the evidence Chris Rock knew about her alopecia? As for Will, he broke the law. Chris Rock didn't. That's why the focus is on him. I expected Will to have a word with him onstage which would have shamed Rock on the spot enough to retract it right then. In this scenario, Will would have come off better than Rock. By hitting him and Rock dealing with it well afterwards, I'm afraid it's Will who comes off worse. Now, the Academy may yet discipline Will. The trend for years has been for celebs in the audience at award shows in the UK and USA to be roasted. You expect it. It's one thing making a bad joke and another to hit someone in public. I'm not certain Rock knew but it's highly probable that he did because when Jada came forward reveling her condition it was trending topic. It's not that common women speak openly about having alopecia, even less common if it is famous actress. We'd need considerably more than a "trending topic" to ascertain the probability of Chris Rock knowing she had alopecia though. I knew nothing of it until after Will Smith slapped him. Judging from many of the YT comments I've seen, most of them had no idea either. So, as it stands we can't even find it probable Chris Rock himself knew. But we can make more concrete statements about Will's behaviour. Not only that, but that was a weak joke which would have been forgotten minutes later had he not slapped him. Because of the slap, the joke lives on. And it's not the worst joke that could be told about someone's wife, alopecia or no alopecia. Many have noted Rock could have made any number of joked in reference to his wife's name being in other men's mouths in response. But he refrained from doing so. Looks to me like the G.I. Jane joke was neither meant to cause serious offense or mock alopecia. It was a weak, bad joke..
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Mar 29, 2022 15:34:54 GMT
everybody is different. just because you could easy forget about it not everybody can. everybody takes things differently. how would you feel if came into your home and sold all your stuff without asking you?
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Mar 29, 2022 16:07:05 GMT
I'm not certain Rock knew but it's highly probable that he did because when Jada came forward reveling her condition it was trending topic. It's not that common women speak openly about having alopecia, even less common if it is famous actress. So, as it stands we can't even find it probable Chris Rock himself knew. How does you not knowing and seeing some youtube comments that you agree with have any more legitimacy than the fact it was trending and she hasn't kept it a secret at all? Just don't really see the logic here.
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Post by pg13 on Mar 29, 2022 17:51:46 GMT
everybody is different. just because you could easy forget about it not everybody can. everybody takes things differently. how would you feel if came into your home and sold all your stuff without asking you? Now, that is an absurd comparison to make here in regards to a slap live on TV. π
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Post by pg13 on Mar 29, 2022 17:55:16 GMT
So, as it stands we can't even find it probable Chris Rock himself knew. How does you not knowing and seeing some youtube comments that you agree with have any more legitimacy than the fact it was trending and she hasn't kept it a secret at all? Just don't really see the logic here. Quite simple - if one argues that Chris Rock in all probability knew of Jada's alopecia based on social media trending topic, then one could just as easily argue the exact reverse which is what I was demonstrating. Both positions are based on flimsy to no evidence and both rely on the Anecdotal Fallacy. That's the point and this, in turn, means one requires better evidence. Since I didn't make the claim originally, I don't have to support my counterpoint with evidence as it's purely to illustrate a contrary point, but Snowhite does: Remember, the claim by Snowhite was that Chris Rock must've known Jada had alopecia based on social media trending and, therefore, his joke amounts to bullying. That there is no evidence to support such an argument should be quite clear by now which invariably means her own assertion is baseless. It's a question of onus probandi. Legitimacy derives from this.
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Post by pg13 on Mar 29, 2022 18:03:35 GMT
So, as it stands we can't even find it probable Chris Rock himself knew. How does you not knowing and seeing some youtube comments that you agree with have any more legitimacy than the fact it was trending and she hasn't kept it a secret at all? Just don't really see the logic here. And the key phrase I said to Snow White previously was: We already know she has no way of being certain he knew beforehand as she admitted so after I posed the question. That a topic trended is not an indicator or evidence Chris Rock had seen it and knew about it before he made the ill-advised joke. And he wouldn't have been alone in not having seen this trending topic on previous occasions. It's obviously not sound logic to accuse someone of bullying based on a belief they knew about the alopecia previously.
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