MJ fans have triggered me!

This is a reply on the original post.

Personally, I find it more REASONABLE for a man without a childhood who'd been used by adults all his life would form friendships with Kids than believe a 26 y/o man would live with a 16 years old women and nothing would happen between them.

Having said that, I don't really care about Elvis and Precillia... Like... Most our grandmothers married young, But there is only one MJ.

Christ, everything in that video has literally been debunked! So has Vogel and I cannot find a single source for his cockney claim either. 🤔

Like I said, when the evidence is strong and debunks anything you believe, the mature thing to do is to change your opinion in accordance with the evidence.

I don't think Innuendo was saying that, but it certainly didn't begin as a serious bit of negativity. It was originally a rhyme based on slightly odd behaviour from Michael which is borne out in the early appearances. After all, there is a history of the eccentric in the UK that isn't all that negative.

But Wacko Jacko did eventually become very negative, yes. At the same time, its true that Jacko never became a racist term against anyone nor was it based on one particular animal.

Wacko to mean crazy or nuts didn't originate in the UK either. The place of origin was New York State between two rival politicians in 1978. It took until 1984, I think, to become visible in the UK and somewhat entrenched from late 1980s.

Before that, a Wacko was something in the ground that was eaten in Cornwall during St Michael's Feast.

Had the Americans not popularised it, Wacko wouldn't have gone on to be used as a rhyme with Jacko. "Barmy" or "daft" would likely have been the prominent ones and these are not particularly vicious.

Indeed, these examples from the New York Post demonstrates that the two were paired for the phonetic rhyme they create.





At least you can see there's no racist backstory to any use of Jacko. After all, all evidence shows there's none.

Yes, that's how it started right across the British Isles and this is something that's easily forgotten.

It's much easier to start with the present day and work backwards with hindsight, but this doesn't give an accurate impression or reflection of how language was actually used.

We have to start from first principles rather than looking for confirmation of whatever bias we may have.

It’s much better than willfully continuing to misrepresent the culture of the British Isles in linguistic terms which Taj Jackson did once again about two weeks ago.

Stop it! you know exactly what you are doing and you trying twist my words to get you way.

you been doing this every since i joined the forum.

i don't know what you have against me but it needs to stop.

i been nothing but nice to you every since i joined.

i'm putting my foot down today. i'm not gonna to get bullied.

you are going on my blocklist. 😠😠😠