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Post by SmoothGangsta on Jan 28, 2023 15:05:34 GMT
I find it funny how people are complaining about Brad laptop being stolen but still uploading and listening to leaks. i'm sorry but you can't have it two ways. this gonna to divide the community. The only thing that would divide anyone is the dreaded moral high horse that appears every so often. Yep
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Jan 28, 2023 15:52:20 GMT
Seems extreme to me. Why not create some kind of fan oral history or something with it all? I have shared my stories online, I have a website where I have written up a lot of my trips I have just never shared any photos or video footage online. I also helped Talitha with her book and I am mentioned in it as I went on some Michael trips with her. It seems that the written word is not valued in the fan community, only the songs and photos. But this stealing of Brads lap top has shown me that people dont deserve to have anything. Its all about one up man ship, feeling entitled to have everything just because it exists. Well no one will have my photos and footage. Aw it's okay. i mean, none of us gonna live forever. some leaks happens when the person dies. i don't believe in leaks either but stuff like this happens. this issue is different because it was stolen not misplaced. i didn't know you was mentioned in her book. interesting.
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Post by moonstreet on Jan 28, 2023 16:24:32 GMT
i didn't know you was mentioned in her book. interesting. In the paperback version, page 45 , meeting Michael outside The Dorchester Hotel, and I'm also thanked in the acknowledgements at the end. I have been friends with Talitha since 1999, and even though Im not mentioned I travelled with her many times in the early years before she moved to California. I was also her flat mate when she lived in Munich. Over the years I kept my connection to her hidden, and never made public anything she shared with me even though I could have. Almost everything she wrote in the book I knew. She showed me many of the photos of her and Michael which are now in the book when I would visit her in LA. I guess maybe thats why I am so angry about the betrayal of trust and the stealing of Brads laptop. I have been in a position of trust for many many years, I could have made public so much of what Talitha told me but I didnt. It was Talithas story to tell and her decision to go public.
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Jan 28, 2023 16:33:30 GMT
I was against the Invincible leaks in 2001, I didnt listen to any and the first time I heard the album was at the official Sony / MJNI listening party in London. I was against the Xscape leak and never owned it I was against the Sony hack and never listened to any of those leaks. Leaking is stealing and due to the hypocrisy in the community, its lead from Stewart Brawley all those years ago stealing studio audio to now someone actually stealing Brads laptop. This disaster is 20 years in the making. Over the years the moral and ethical question has been ignored and people have become more and more entitled to have something just because it exists. Agree. to know this was happening when Michael was alive is sad. i'm not sure how he managed that. from people around him said he cried when leaks happened. i mean the only thing i can say don't listen to leaks and report.
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Jan 28, 2023 17:42:53 GMT
i didn't know you was mentioned in her book. interesting. In the paperback version, page 45 , meeting Michael outside The Dorchester Hotel, and I'm also thanked in the acknowledgements at the end. I have been friends with Talitha since 1999, and even though Im not mentioned I travelled with her many times in the early years before she moved to California. I was also her flat mate when she lived in Munich. Over the years I kept my connection to her hidden, and never made public anything she shared with me even though I could have. Almost everything she wrote in the book I knew. She showed me many of the photos of her and Michael which are now in the book when I would visit her in LA. I guess maybe thats why I am so angry about the betrayal of trust and the stealing of Brads laptop. I have been in a position of trust for many many years, I could have made public so much of what Talitha told me but I didnt. It was Talithas story to tell and her decision to go public. Thank you very much for telling me. 😊😊😊 it's not always good to trust people. i learned that from a young age. not everyone has a good heart.
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Post by aazzaabb on Jan 28, 2023 17:58:36 GMT
I find it funny how people are complaining about Brad laptop being stolen but still uploading and listening to leaks. i'm sorry but you can't have it two ways. this gonna to divide the community. You can be disgusted by someone stealing someone's laptop and external HD. You can listen to leaks if you want. The only thing that would divide anyone is the dreaded moral high horse that appears every so often. Agreed. The outrage here is the fact that Brads laptop was stolen and his trust betrayed. Listening to the leaked material is a separate issue and a moral dilemma for many, but most will still listen to and watch the footage when it’s in the public domain. You cannot and will not police fans and stop them from listening to leaked material. Bootlegs have been around most notably since 1969’s Great White Wonder which was a collection of unreleased Dylan recordings and to this day he’s still probably the most bootleged artist of all time. So much so that he created his own Bootleg Series as a response to the situation. In fact Dylan’s Bootleg Series now uses fan recordings aswell as soundboards and unreleased studio material. So yeah, Dylan, Prince, Elvis, Madonna…..for many of us leaked material has always been part and parcel of the fan experience. It’s nothing new or exclusive to MJ. Far from it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2023 19:06:55 GMT
What a prick
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Post by pg13 on Jan 28, 2023 19:07:17 GMT
this gonna to divide the community. I'm afraid that ship sailed a long time ago and certainly well before Michael died too. His death just highlighted the division that was always there. Hell, a certain forum tried to ruin all other fan forums before Michael's death as they were afraid of being overtaken. Got nothing meaningful from that at the end of the day other than a bizarre "we're the longest serving forum around!". 🤦♂️
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Post by Snow White on Jan 28, 2023 19:47:02 GMT
I'm not condoning in any what this guy Antonio Felix did, what he did was a crime but maybe it's a sign that Brad should stop doing the seminars. I mean, he's doing business out of material that it isn't his property, not in a malicious way but doing so either way.
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Post by russtcb on Jan 28, 2023 20:27:44 GMT
I'm having such a moral crisis with this. I'd love to see new footage and hear the songs, but I just don't feel good about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2023 20:35:45 GMT
I'm having such a moral crisis with this. I'd love to see new footage and hear the songs, but I just don't feel good about it. Treat it like porn, man. Simples.
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Post by aazzaabb on Jan 28, 2023 20:48:21 GMT
I'm having such a moral crisis with this. I'd love to see new footage and hear the songs, but I just don't feel good about it. You’re not a bad person for listening to and watching material that’s within the public domain. If you had been the dude who stole the laptop and hit the upload button then yeah, you wouldn’t much if any sympathy, but it’s out there in the world now and you not listening to or watching it won’t change that. It’s a shame the way this material has come about but there’s far bigger and more serious things going on in the world which require a moral crisis.
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Post by butterflies2 on Jan 28, 2023 21:03:11 GMT
I'm not condoning in any what this guy Antonio Felix did, what he did was a crime but maybe it's a sign that Brad should stop doing the seminars. I mean, he's doing business out of material that it isn't his property, not in a malicious way but doing so either way. Sounds like blaming the victim a bit, no?
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Post by Snow White on Jan 28, 2023 21:23:44 GMT
I'm not condoning in any what this guy Antonio Felix did, what he did was a crime but maybe it's a sign that Brad should stop doing the seminars. I mean, he's doing business out of material that it isn't his property, not in a malicious way but doing so either way. Sounds like blaming the victim a bit, no? No, I've had mixed feelings about his seminars for 8, 9 years. Even if it's not out of malicious intent, Brad has been profiting off Michael's creations for 10 years.
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Post by butterflies2 on Jan 28, 2023 21:32:30 GMT
Sounds like blaming the victim a bit, no? No, I've had mixed feelings about his seminars for 8, 9 years. Even if it's not out of malicious intent, Brad has been profiting off Michael's creations for 10 years. Well, I feel there is an audience out there who is curious about the art of the recording studio, and his time with Michael was special. I was supposed to go for it, but decided not to go cause I was trying to stop spending so much money that time, and we had a family emergency happening on the day of, so I couldn’t have made it anyway. I watched a little bit of it on YouTube out of curiousity and feel not as excited as I would have if he was alive
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