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Post by MattyJam on Feb 16, 2023 8:58:24 GMT
I meant more as a way to justify to themselves not coming forward and telling the truth. In a convenient way, I suspect they've convinced themselves they have no duty to right the wrongs of their parents scheming. Oh yeah, that's possible. Also, unfortunately, I think these accusers are confirming each other in convincing themselves that they are doing nothing wrong. They know of their own allegations being false, of course, but they are possibly convincing themselves that "maybe some of these others are telling the truth, so what I'm doing is not that wrong, after all". Or even if they suspect the others are liars too, like they themselves are, they are like "oh well, if others who were his friends are doing it, why can't I?". I can see Safechuck, for example, to use this logic: "Wade actually remained MJ's friend until he died, so if he can do this then why can't I from whom MJ drifted away a long time ago?" In Wade and James's case I think it's also the factor he's dead that they use to tell themselves it's not that bad (he can't go to jail now etc). ETA: In Jordan and Gavin's case it's also possible they convinced themselves it's in protection of their family members and family honor that they are not coming forward with the truth. Like Mez said, you wouldn't believe how many ways people have to justify their wrongdoings to themselves. Well, they may actually genuinely feel that it's the right thing to do, in the name of their families. Imagine they are dad's now, would you want your kids to know you made up false allegations which in an inadvertent way led to the death of one of the most famous men of the 20th century? In that scenario, it's not just about saving their own skin, it's also sparing their children/spouses/extended family the embarrassment they would no doubt feel by association. Being "the guy who accused MJ" is a lot less problematic than "the guy who lied about MJ molesting them." It's a complicated one and unfortunately I don't think it's as straightforward as "doing what is right" at this stage.
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Feb 16, 2023 10:38:54 GMT
Doubtful. If it hasn't happened by now then I think it's very unlikely. As others have stated they either feel like their parents are the ones who did something wrong or feel they have too much to lose if they even say anything about it.
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Post by aazzaabb on Feb 16, 2023 14:10:22 GMT
It will probably never happen. The estate would need to reach out and offer him a deal, and even then it would probably be unlikely. The estate wonโt even reach out to people MJ worked with in order to acquire unreleased MJ tracks so this would probably never even be a notion. Jordan is set for life. And as others have said, he can justify it to himself in all sorts of ways.
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Post by mjjfan810 on Mar 4, 2023 6:59:38 GMT
I find it frustrating that this seems to be something that the estate haven't attempted by now. I think they're operating under the idea of "letting sleeping dogs lie," and whilst that may have worked pre-2019, I think more decisive action is needed from them post-LN to try and rehabilitate MJs reputation.
I know they can't perform miracles and if Jordan and Gavin don't want to talk, there's nothing anyone can do about it. But I'm not convinced they've even tried to reach out and this is what frustrates me.
Imagine waking up and reading a headline about one of these two rescinding their allegations. It would be fantastic for Michael, his fans and would have a ripple effect on all the other cases. It would literally be the best thing that could happen for MJ fans. Forget unreleased music, or the biopic, this would be a true cause for celebration.
I have my doubts as to whether Jordan would ever man up, but Gavin may be an easier nut to crack. I just think more needs to be done by those who have the money, resources and power to reach out, to make this happen.
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Post by respect77 on Mar 4, 2023 7:36:59 GMT
I find it frustrating that this seems to be something that the estate haven't attempted by now. I think they're operating under the idea of "letting sleeping dogs lie," and whilst that may have worked pre-2019, I think more decisive action is needed from them post-LN to try and rehabilitate MJs reputation. I know they can't perform miracles and if Jordan and Gavin don't want to talk, there's nothing anyone can do about it. But I'm not convinced they've even tried to reach out and this is what frustrates me. Same goes for Taj. I think the only chance that documentary could have the kind of impact fans hope it would have is if he managed to get Jordan (he's the main one, he's more important than Gavin IMO - Gavin is already doubted, even by a lot of haters) on record recanting his allegations. Now I know that that he would succeed in organizing this is a far chance, but if I had his name and the money that was donated to him I'd definitely give it a try. But I don't think that's happening. My impression is that Taj isn't even putting a lot of effort into pursuing much lower hanging fruits, let alone something that would require a lot of effort like this. Which is a shame. If I was MJ's relative I'd obsessively pursue this.
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Post by electriceyes on Mar 4, 2023 8:17:30 GMT
I find it frustrating that this seems to be something that the estate haven't attempted by now. I think they're operating under the idea of "letting sleeping dogs lie," and whilst that may have worked pre-2019, I think more decisive action is needed from them post-LN to try and rehabilitate MJs reputation. I know they can't perform miracles and if Jordan and Gavin don't want to talk, there's nothing anyone can do about it. But I'm not convinced they've even tried to reach out and this is what frustrates me. Same goes for Taj. I think the only chance that documentary could have the kind of impact fans hope it would have is if he managed to get Jordan (he's the main one, he's more important than Gavin IMO - Gavin is already doubted, even by a lot of haters) on record recanting his allegations. Now I know that that he would succeed in organizing this is a far chance, but if I had his name and the money that was donated to him I'd definitely give it a try. But I don't think that's happening. My impression is that Taj isn't even putting a lot of effort into pursuing much lower hanging fruits, let alone something that would require a lot of effort like this. Which is a shame. If I was MJ's relative I'd obsessively pursue this. The naive part of me is hoping this is why Taj's documentary seems to be shrouded in secrecy. The realistic part of me suspects it's because he's just incompetant and it's going to be nothing more than a puff-piece.
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Post by MattyJam on Mar 4, 2023 12:59:51 GMT
I dunno, I have a feeling it'll happen one day. Not saying soon, but I just have a hunch that it'll happen.
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Post by WildStyle on Mar 4, 2023 13:07:02 GMT
I'm failing to see the connection between the estate and Jordan or Gavin recanting. That sounds like such a strange idea to me. For one thing, if it "worked" everybody would just say that the estate paid them off (and they'd have every right to be suspicious because of how weird it is), which defeats the purpose. Or even worse, it doesn't "work" and it leaks to the press that the estate are harassing victims and trying to pay them off. Or Jordan and Gavin themselves come out and say that that's what has happened. I just don't see how the estate has any part to play in this and find it strange that so many of you are making that connection.
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Post by aazzaabb on Mar 5, 2023 11:44:33 GMT
I dunno, I have a feeling it'll happen one day. Not saying soon, but I just have a hunch that it'll happen. I feel the same about the Thriller40 doc.
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Post by Seven on Mar 6, 2023 10:12:37 GMT
Fuck no, after all the stories they wove they've dug such huge holes for themselves that even attempting to get out would be in extremely poor taste.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2023 10:17:21 GMT
Fuck no, after all the stories they wove they've dug such huge holes for themselves that even attempting to get out would be in extremely poor taste. The fear of being doxxed by MJ fans would outweigh any moral compass they could happen to find.
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Post by Seven on Mar 6, 2023 10:26:18 GMT
Fuck no, after all the stories they wove they've dug such huge holes for themselves that even attempting to get out would be in extremely poor taste. The fear of being doxxed by MJ fans would outweigh any moral compass they could happen to find. I think that fear would be greater now, with complete lack of vindication. Who knows.
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Post by WildStyle on Mar 6, 2023 10:45:58 GMT
I think they could be doxxed fairly easily now. I found Jordan's wife on instagram in 2019 without too much trouble. She didn't even have her account on private then and had pictures of Jordan on it. She's a yoga instructor.
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