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Post by Russg on Jul 1, 2023 20:57:41 GMT
He always talked about how innocent they were, but look at Gavin, look at Jordan. Let's be honest, most of them are snivelling little shits, self-entitled with shrill, irritating voices.
I wouldn't hesitate to throw my drink on a crying baby if some whore takes it into a restaurant.
Why did MJ have such rose tinted glasses when it came to children? In all honesty, the little brats caused him more stress and heartache in his life than any adults ever did. Why couldn't he see that?
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Post by electriceyes on Jul 1, 2023 21:03:27 GMT
They were certainly his achilless heel.
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Post by TonyR on Jul 1, 2023 21:06:48 GMT
He always talked about how innocent they were, but look at Gavin, look at Jordan. Let's be honest, most of them are snivelling little shits, self-entitled with shrill, irritating voices. I wouldn't hesitate to throw my drink on a crying baby if some whore takes it into a restaurant. Why did MJ have such rose tinted glasses when it came to children? In all honesty, the little brats caused him more stress and heartache in his life than any adults ever did. Why couldn't he see that? Probably as it was their parents and not the kids themselves. I doubt that one morning Gavin looked up from his Coco Pops** and asked his Mum if they could accuse MJ of child abuse. Although this could have been his nickname for Michael.
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Post by MattyJam on Jul 1, 2023 21:40:54 GMT
I think MJ was quite an idealistic person in general, and obviously had a big heart for children especially. He was an empath, and there aren't many true empaths around.
Asking why MJ liked kids so much is a bit of a redundant question really. I mean, there are plenty of people who love kids, you just don't find many of them amongst international rockgods. But it's not a bad thing to love kids.
I think part of what makes MJ fans so fiercely loyal in defending him is because his sincerity about the things he was passionate about was blindingly obvious to anyone who was willing to see it. Look at the values he instilled in his oldest son for example, a millionaire kid, who never has to work a day in his life, who chooses to spend his free time doing soup kitchens and organising events for underprivileged children. That came from Michael. He cared about that stuff, it was genuine and he lived his life by it. You don't choose what you're passionate about in life, it's either in you to care, or it isn't. Of course, we can all try to be better people, but some people are just born caring and thank God there are people like that left in humanity as they are the true heroes.
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Post by respect77 on Jul 2, 2023 3:45:44 GMT
I think MJ generally had rose tinted glasses for people, not just kids. He was very naive about human nature. I think he even acknowledged it himself somewhere and said he got it from Katherine and even Katherine told him once he's like her and is going to get into trouble because of that.
But yeah, he overidealized kids as these innocent little beings when in fact they can be some of the meanest MFers.
Having said that, none of the allegations came from kids. In Gavin and Jordan's case it were the parents who instructed them and James and Wade were adults when they turned on him.
Of course, you can say that Gavin and Jordan went along with it as kids. True. I don't think you are going to turn out a good person with such parents as they had.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2023 6:01:01 GMT
I hate having to do anything with children I'm not related to. Always. Things may have gone much easier for him if he shared my attitude I guess, but then again a large part of what made him "him" would be gone then.
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Post by pg13 on Jul 2, 2023 8:08:50 GMT
I hate having to do anything with children I'm not related to. Always. Things may have gone much easier for him if he shared my attitude I guess, but then again a large part of what made him "him" would be gone then. Possibly. But also if we consider how money was a major motivation of the allegations, it may well have been women accusing him of x, y, z at some point if he'd hung around with them a lot. Especially later on post-2009 MeToo era. It may be that allegations cannot always be avoided. Especially if a person is regarded as sensitive and, therefore, much easier to manipulate. Naturally, this is a counterfactual that can't be proven. But it's something to consider.
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