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Post by electriceyes on Aug 13, 2023 21:50:00 GMT
I've noticed since LN, a lot more people discuss MJ as being guilty as if its now an established fact. 4 years on, it still bothers me.
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Post by Russg on Aug 13, 2023 22:21:34 GMT
I dont know if you were a fan in 2005, but people spoke that way about him back then too. It only really improved for a few years after his death, but posthumous allegations were unfortunately very predictable in hindsight.
I have less of a problem with people who say shit like "he was probably guilty". At least they're not acting like they know something we don't or pretending they're well informed on the matter. They are just disillusioned with public figures and feel like so many have dirty skeletons in the closet so they lump MJ in with the dirty politicians and disgraced cancelled celebrities.
The people who talk about it like it's a forgone conclusion and that his guilt is proven are the ones who I take umbridge with. I find that most haters literally have to go out of their way to make these allegations fit. They can run their mouth off all they like and just say "you're a crazy stan", but when someone presents factual information to you and you choose to ignore it, it says a lot about a persons intentions and where their heart truly lies. They just wanna rag on MJ because they likely hated him before and believing he was guilty of crimes that make no factual sense gives them permission to spew their vitriol and feel like they have some kind of moral superiority in doing so, when really they're just nasty little trolls
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Post by butterflies2 on Aug 13, 2023 22:45:07 GMT
It bothers me too, glad I’m not the only one.
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Post by ghost on Aug 14, 2023 6:32:27 GMT
For my own sanity I stopped caring what others thought a while back. Sometimes I'll still read a comment and it'll hit me again how unfair/unjust it is, but I go out of my way to avoid it most of the time.
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Post by butterflies2 on Aug 14, 2023 6:38:57 GMT
It’s actually distracting that I can’t enjoy Facebook mj posts that appear for me without reading allegations comments from haters. Then I have to read about people defending him to feel better about it. I don’t publically defend him anymore cause it became exhausting at one point so I just tend to internalize these things and not be reminded cause it’s toxic
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Post by russtcb on Aug 14, 2023 10:52:43 GMT
It bothers me a great deal.
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Post by MattyJam on Aug 14, 2023 11:10:38 GMT
It's annoying, but what can you do? My days of getting in a flap about it are over. I've wasted enough time over the years defending him to people who've already made their minds up. I don't have the energy for it anymore.
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Post by Michaels Lover on Aug 14, 2023 11:59:27 GMT
It bothers me A LOT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2023 12:50:00 GMT
It's annoying, but what can you do? My days of getting in a flap about it are over. I've wasted enough time over the years defending him to people who've already made their minds up. I don't have the energy for it anymore. Yup. It's annoying but I don't let it bother me anymore. Life's too short.
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Post by pg13 on Aug 14, 2023 13:26:45 GMT
It bothers me more when people know I'm a fan and proceed to joke about it to see if I'll rise to the bait.
When did sexual abuse and false allegations become joke fodder?! 🤦♂️
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Post by Seven on Aug 15, 2023 19:53:29 GMT
Yes, it bothered me before LN prior to his death and it bothers me now. I first became a fan of his when I was 14, and aside from classmates making jokes to try and get a rise out of me, they also asked if I wanted to be molested.
But now I just don't have the energy to argue unless it's specifically in a setting where a discussion is being hosted. Remarks and jokes, I just roll my eyes.
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Post by butterflies2 on Aug 16, 2023 2:56:06 GMT
Thankfully no one ever told me the same thing seven, but older family members have trashed him to get a reaction out of me and had fun with it. Even though my mom likes him again and knows he’s special to me and doesn’t make fun of me, today a HIStory concert clip popped up on her Instagram and I was hit with paranoia that she could be judging him for not looking as he did or for the sleepovers again, since her peak interest was with off the wall(maybe cause of negative things I read on there and me making the association). She obviously wasn’t judging and gets me, but I feel really wounded by how he was treated in the past since I felt an attack on my character for it, and the idea of me being in the right is sometimes so unfamiliar to me since I was teased and bullied generally speaking a lot when I was younger for how I was, and later made judgy friends though I try to be grateful for the good friends I have that accept me how I am and what I’m into. I don’t know how you all are with faith, but I could use a prayer tonight for what I’m going through mentally.
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Post by russtcb on Aug 16, 2023 10:57:14 GMT
I tweeted about our Stationhead party next Monday for MJs birthday cdlefbation) celebration. 2 of the replies were people going on about hum being guilty. I blocked both without replying. It may not sound like much, it that's a big step for me.
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Post by amaya on Aug 17, 2023 0:54:10 GMT
I truly envy the folks who are able to just somehow not be bothered by it. Wish my brain was wired that good. >.< I don't try to engage in debates on him because as others have said, some people's minds just can't be changed. I try to avoid negative stuff about him as much as possible too, though if certain things happen in the coming months it's going to be impossible to do that.
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Post by butterflies2 on Aug 17, 2023 2:26:52 GMT
I miss the days it didn’t bother me as much
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