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Post by MattyJam on Oct 12, 2023 6:21:41 GMT
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Post by Russg on Oct 12, 2023 6:34:08 GMT
Why does nobody have trouble crediting Mick Jagger or Bowie or Robert Plant as songwriters but with MJ they call it into question? All of those white rock guys primarily relied on their bandmates/outside musicians when creating songs. Bowie was only ever a rudimentary guitar player and the other two are known more as singers/frontmen etc who came up with the words and melodies whilst the rest of the band wrote the music. Seems like a double standard to me. I think a lot of people don't understand MJs method for writing. It is an area of his career which I would really like to see the estate promote in this biopic. Show the world he wasn't just a popstar or an entertainer, but a real artist who was heavily involved in the creation and composition of much of his most beloved work.
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Post by butterflies2 on Oct 12, 2023 12:45:38 GMT
I think it’s trendy for these music snobs to say he’s nothing without Quincy
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Post by MattyJam on Oct 12, 2023 15:36:00 GMT
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Post by TonyR on Oct 12, 2023 16:16:30 GMT
Not sure I'd have added 'just look at what he did with his mouth.'
Otherwise, all good.
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Post by respect77 on Oct 12, 2023 16:31:19 GMT
Same old tired argument. MJ didn't just write lyrics. That this guy claimed that is proof he knows nothing about MJ's music. In fact, I think MJ is more music oriented than lyrics oriented. I think most of the time he wrote the music first and only wrote lyrics to it after. There might be exceptions, but I think his writing was more music driven than lyrics driven.
Instruments are just a way of expressing music. But there are other ways of expressing music: eg. through singing. If the song was born in your head and you sing it to an instrumentalist to play it on an instrument it doesn't make it the instrumentalist's any more than a book being the typists' if the writer puts his story down by dictating it to a typist and not typing it himself. It's the person's creative product who came up with it. Doesn't matter if it was in his head or at a piano.
He also mixes up arrangement and engineering with songwriting. Then he's the one telling you you've never been in a studio. When he doesn't know the difference between songwriting and engineer.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2023 16:55:15 GMT
You're the bigger eejit for engaging Matty!
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Post by butterflies2 on Oct 12, 2023 17:01:19 GMT
I wouldn’t bother continuing the conversation, and would just agree to disagree with this person
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Post by SoCav on Oct 12, 2023 18:36:07 GMT
I wouldn’t bother continuing the conversation, and would just agree to disagree with this person The guy ended up giving a definition of composing music that was so absurdly narrow that even Mozart should no longer be considered a composer, so indeed, that's exactly what we should have done. I'll stick to complaining about your love for Invincible next time, Matty!
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Post by pg13 on Oct 12, 2023 18:57:33 GMT
Same old tired argument. MJ didn't just write lyrics. That this guy claimed that is proof he knows nothing about MJ's music. In fact, I think MJ is more music oriented than lyrics oriented. I think most of the time he wrote the music first and only wrote lyrics to it after. There might be exceptions, but I think his writing was more music driven than lyrics driven. Instruments are just a way of expressing music. But there are other ways of expressing music: eg. through singing. If the song was born in your head and you sing it to an instrumentalist to play it on an instrument it doesn't make it the instrumentalist's any more than a book being the typists' if the writer puts his story down by dictating it to a typist and not typing it himself. It's the person's creative product who came up with it. Doesn't matter if it was in his head or at a piano. He also mixes up arrangement and engineering with songwriting. Then he's the one telling you you've never been in a studio. When he doesn't know the difference between songwriting and engineer. I think MJ said HTW is the only song he wrote lyrics for first and music second. Dangerous deposition possibly?
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Post by MattyJam on Oct 12, 2023 18:58:49 GMT
I wouldn’t bother continuing the conversation, and would just agree to disagree with this person The guy ended up giving a definition of composing music that was so absurdly narrow that even Mozart should no longer be considered a composer, so indeed, that's exactly what we should have done. I'll stick to complaining about your love for Invincible next time, Matty! We tried. I appreciated the support even though I knew from pretty early on there was no reasoning with the guy.
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Oct 12, 2023 21:49:27 GMT
I think it’s trendy for these music snobs to say he’s nothing without Quincy Some people do think that Micheal should have kept making music with Quincy that being said it was Micheal choice to move on from him not to mention the time was changing and he had to in order to stay relevant. i may not be a fan of Dangerous or History. but i know he had to move on.
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Oct 12, 2023 21:50:38 GMT
Michael didn't write all his songs but he was good songwriter when he did. also Michael's voice was his instrument.
Michael did want to play the drums, piano, and guitar though.
Michael wasn't Prince or Stevie he was Micheal Jackson. he was still a good artist in my opinion.
everyone not going to see Michael as a good artist that doesn't make them a hater.
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