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Post by pg13 on Mar 29, 2024 12:25:00 GMT
This is meaningless word salad that in no way addresses the argument Respect made and obviously doesn't really contribute to a discussion. My advice would be to either make a proper argument or leave it there. π§ Donβt gaslight me for sharing information and being educated. If you are educated, you'd have engaged with Respect in like fashion. She presented an argument to which you merely put forward a short paragraph telling her to read on intersectional oppression(!) π€¦ββοΈ And what I said isn't an example of gaslighting either. But it is an observation on your own actions in response to someone else. Like I said, either discuss and formulate an argument in your own words or simply leave it. Word salad terms isn't really a valid response. π§
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Post by pg13 on Mar 29, 2024 12:40:11 GMT
The correct terminology to explain racism within black communities or among other racial backgrounds is horizontal oppression/violence, and could also manifest as internalized oppression rooted from past colonialism/whitewashing. Yes anyone can be prejudiced and/or oppressive but anti white racism is not a thing, you should do some reading on intersectionalities and could learn something from it. Like I said I don't subscribe to that Critical Race Theory definition of racism which gives a pass to certain forms of racism if it's supposedly comes from historically oppressed groups. I have a lot of problems with that and I don't think it's a correct and useful way to view racism. I'm not disputing that there's systemic racism that affects black people in the US more than white people, but that's a specific type of racism that doesn't cover all forms of racism. For example, when a group of black youth beats up an Orthodox Jewish man in Brooklyn for being Jewish I think it's racism and a hate crime regardless if black people have been historically more oppressed in the US than Jews. Similarly some of the discussions by black people I've seen on LSA over the years would not be out of place on Stormfront. Also people like Louis Farrakhan are racists IMO. Being black doesn't change that. I will call a spade spade and not playing around with semantics and new definitions of racism just to play such phenomenons down. Racism in my view is simply prejudice and hate for someone on a racial/ethnic basis. That's it. If you want to bring oppressed/oppressor dynamics and systemic issues into it then qualify it as "systemic racism" and then that's another discussion, but racism is a broader term than that and anyone can hate someone else on racial/ethnic grounds, no group is exempt from that. Yes, LSA has a large amount of bigoted racist behaviour which you don't have to look far to see. Part of what I don't like about about attempts by some to explain away that kind of behaviour in terms of a Oppressed v Oppressor framing is it not only talks about people in a blanket sense, but also removes ALL agency from them. It's really designed to divide people further rather than promote reconciliation. I see this same dynamic used by terrorist apologists on a daily basis. The false consciousness guff is another line of argument that's not really valid. Farrakhan is clearly racist in rhetoric at the very least. Muhammad Ali was himself racist for a while due to the influence of the Nation Of Islam, but later regretted it. His behaviour towards Joe Frazier was very below the belt too. Subversive groups such as NOI are a problem. But people still have personal agency even if some want to neatly ignore it or try to explain it away via mental gymnastics.
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Post by respect77 on Mar 29, 2024 15:05:26 GMT
Incidentally, podcaster Coleman Hughes was on The View yesterday and they were talking about similar things. I agree with Coleman.
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