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Post by mjjfan810 on Nov 20, 2017 13:00:39 GMT
I was reading a blog about the 93 allegations and MJs relationship with the Chandler family, which hinted at the possibility of MJ and June being an item, which exacerbated Evan's jealousy, as here was a guy who was worshipped by not only his son, but also his ex-wife.
The blog even said that Mez hinted at a relationship during transcripts from the 2005 testimony June gave. Is there any truth to this?
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Post by Thriller on Nov 20, 2017 17:47:32 GMT
It has been rumoured, but there's never been any real proof.
I don't think Evan cared about if June was having a relationship with MJ. Infact, according to his brother, he liked the idea of June and MJ getting together, at least initially. In time he began to hate June though as he felt she helped MJ take 'Jordy out of the family'. As Jordan wanted less and less to do with Evan, June wasn't encouraging Jordan to have more contact with Evan, again adding to his hatred of June. Add to things this supposed incident:
* Mr Schwartz was Jordan's step father.
What blog was this, btw?
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Post by respect77 on Nov 20, 2017 18:42:31 GMT
I personally don't believe MJ and June had a romantic relationship. Perhaps June hoped for one, but I don't think that's what it was on MJ's part. Fans read too much into certain things IMO. When they say Mez insinuated a relationship they mean things like this:
Or Evan playing on Schwartz's jealousy during their phone convo.
Now, I don't believe what Evan says in the last part that MJ told him he did not like June (Evan talks a lot of made-up nonsense in this convo), but I also don't believe MJ and June were in some sort of romantic relationship. But maybe June hoped for one. I can believe that.
There is also when Joy Robson said in her testimony in 2005 that June was bossing around the staff at Neverland and behaved like the mistress of Neverland:
So, I guess these are the elements that make some fans speculate about a romantic relationship, but I think it is reading too much into it.
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Post by Snow White on Nov 20, 2017 18:58:56 GMT
The reason why Evan was jealous of Michael was because he was more part of Jordan’s life than his own father and got angrier Michael didn't return his phone calls. Why would he jealous about June spending time with MJ if she divorced Evan and married David Shwartz.
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Post by milo on Nov 20, 2017 20:43:14 GMT
It’s because Michael bought her the "Love Bracelet" from Cartier. It’s a piece of jewelry that has a romantic symbolism. Some people interpret Michael giving her this jewelry as a sign of a romantic interest on his part. The fact that Michael spent 30 nights at her house, leaving to work during the day and coming back at the dinner time. The last is this part of her cross examination by Mesereau:
17 Q. Okay. You told the prosecutor that Mr.
18 Jackson got upset at one point about your not
19 trusting him, right?
20 A. Correct.
21 Q. And he said words to you to the effect that,
22 “We’re family,” right?
23 A. Correct.
24 Q. You suggested that you let Jordie sleep
25 wherever he wants to sleep, right?
26 A. Yes.
27 Q. And you told him, “Look, I’ve had two
28 husbands that I can’t trust,” right?
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1 A. Correct.
2 Q. You said, “I think you’re a wonderful
3 person, but I can’t let my trust down,” right?
4 A. Correct.
5 Q. And you described Michael as saying that he
6 was going to take care of you, right?
7 A. No.
8 MR. SNEDDON: Your Honor, excuse me, I’m
9 going to object as vague as to point in time of the
10 conversation.
11 MR. MESEREAU: Sure. Sure.
12 Q. When was the conversation where Michael got
13 upset because he didn’t think you trusted him?
14 A. In Las Vegas in the hotel room.
15 Q. Okay. You said to Michael, “I’ve had males
16 in my life that, you know, have disappointed me.
17 How can I have you in my life and you’re saying that
18 you’re going to take care of us, that you’re so
19 wonderful, everything’s going to be okay, how am I
20 going to do that?”
21 MR. SNEDDON: Your Honor, I’m going to
22 object to counsel reading from the document.
23 MR. MESEREAU: I haven’t finished the
24 question yet, Your Honor.
25 MR. SNEDDON: Well, he’s reading —
26 THE COURT: Well, all right, what is the
27 question?
28 MR. MESEREAU: I was going to ask her if she
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1 made that statement.
2 THE COURT: All right. You may.
3 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Did you make a statement
4 to that effect?
5 A. Yes.
I don’t have a definitive opinion about this theory, we never heard from Michael if there was any truth about the speculations. June Chandler was vague on her testimony, claiming that she didn’t remember things and situations.
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Post by MattyJam on Nov 21, 2017 19:39:06 GMT
To be honest, so much has been twisted about MJ's relationship with the Chandler family that it's impossible to know what to believe at this stage. For example, so much has been made about the infamous WMA appearance where MJ had Jordy sitting on his knee, but what they don't tell you is how he had Jordan's sister Lily on his knee for half the show as well. They just want you to focus on the part that incriminates MJ or furthers their agenda of portraying him as a man who is sexually interested in young boys, so they deliberately leave out any facts that could be used to refute this suggestion.
How this relates at large to the subject of MJ and his relationship with June I'm not exactly sure. But I can't help but feel as if the whole notion that MJ's interest in the Chandler family entirely centred around his "infatuation" with Jordy may very well be another example of half a story being told to portray MJ in a negative light.
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Post by kaeleah on Nov 21, 2017 21:10:09 GMT
An ex-online "friend"/banned member here had this pretty detailed mental image of what she believed MJ's relationship was like. She said that Michael played mind games turning Evan and June against each other, but I find that hard to believe
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Post by mjjfan810 on Nov 21, 2017 22:05:40 GMT
I will try and find a link, it was called something like "Was Evan Chandler Jealous He Didn't Get The Invitation To Play?" or something. Went on to say how Evan had even proposed to MJ that he build an extension onto Neverland for him to come and go as he pleased, which is quite shocking and not something I had previously read about. I do think it is possible that Evans jealousy stemmed a lot further than MJ and Jordy's relationship. I think it must've stung to see your ex wife and two kids so enamoured by another man, a man who could outstrip him tenfold in terms of wealth, success, talent and charisma. Adding insult to injury, MJ fought off all of Evans attempts to infiltrate himself into Michael's life. I think the green eyed monster would rear its ugly head with many men in a similar situation.
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Post by Thriller on Nov 21, 2017 23:28:23 GMT
I will try and find a link, it was called something like "Was Evan Chandler Jealous He Didn't Get The Invitation To Play?" or something. Went on to say how Evan had even proposed to MJ that he build an extension onto Neverland for him to come and go as he pleased, which is quite shocking and not something I had previously read about. I do think it is possible that Evans jealousy stemmed a lot further than MJ and Jordy's relationship. I think it must've stung to see your ex wife and two kids so enamoured by another man, a man who could outstrip him tenfold in terms of wealth, success, talent and charisma. Adding insult to injury, MJ fought off all of Evans attempts to infiltrate himself into Michael's life. I think the green eyed monster would rear its ugly head with many men in a similar situation. I recall a title like that on a blog a while back. I don't fully recall the article though. Evan wanted an extension built onto his home and when planning permission wasn't possible he wanted MJ to just buy him a new house. Only Jordan is Evan's child, Lily's father is Dave. Evan's issues stemmed from MJ not having any contact with him. By his own admission 'he didn't have to stop calling'. I don't personally think he was jealous of June's admiration for MJ. Evan encouraged the friendship that developed with MJ, June and Jordan. Only did Evan come to resent things when he was being left out and MJ was becoming much more of a father figure in Jordan's life. Jordan didn't want anything to do with Evan and June seemingly wasn't bothered about that.
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Post by Snow White on Nov 21, 2017 23:42:58 GMT
^^No wonder why Jordan emancipated from Evan but he shouldn't have gone along with his father to backstab MJ and keeping the blood money.
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Post by Thriller on Nov 22, 2017 0:03:09 GMT
An ex-online "friend"/banned member here had this pretty detailed mental image of what she believed MJ's relationship was like. She said that Michael played mind games turning Evan and June against each other, but I find that hard to believe This is just a poor hater's argument stemming from Ray Chandler's nonsense of 'a big happy family broken apart by big bad Michael Jackson'. Evan was known to have a temper and that apparently played a part in June's decision to divorce him. Evan also owed back child support payments. Evan did a good enough job of falling out with June himself. From June's 2005 testimony: MJ was taking over as a father figure in Jordan's life because his own Father had no interest. June turned against Evan because he didn't give a shit for his child. Just like after the settlement agreement. He ditched his other children and only wanted to be around Jordan... the one with money. Also, even before MJ came onto the scene Evan and June had a disagreement: In 2005 Evan tried to kill Jordan by hitting him over the head with a dumbbell and spraying him with mace. Ironically, this was a month after MJ's trial had ended. The same trial in which Evan couldn't testify as he was too ill due to suffering from cancer. He didn't have enough strength to sit in a witness box, but he did have enough strength to attack his son. When Evan Chandler committed suicide he had fallen out with his whole family and didn't want anybody to attend his burial. Evan had people turn against him all by himself.
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Post by respect77 on Nov 22, 2017 4:44:19 GMT
An ex-online "friend"/banned member here had this pretty detailed mental image of what she believed MJ's relationship was like. She said that Michael played mind games turning Evan and June against each other, but I find that hard to believe Once again, victim blaming. And yes, the victim is Michael Jackson. Thriller summarized it well what happened. MJ did not turn anyone against each other. But here is a little more detail about the Chandlers' family relations. How is MJ to be blamed for Evan being violent? How is MJ to be blamed for Evan only caring about his children if they had money? How is MJ to be blamed for Evan using his son to extort money out of MJ? Evan is the only one here who played mind games and you do not have to be an MJ fan to see that. You only have to actually read the story instead of just some zeal to "keep-it-real" (which basically means to these people to believe and say the worse of MJ, just not to be called a "stan") even in the face of facts and reality. themichaeljacksonallegations.com/2016/12/26/michael-jacksons-first-accuser-meet-the-chandler-family/From Nathaline's lawsuit against Evan. Evan's Will. Jordan Chandler v. Evan Chandler case summary: law.justia.com/cases/new-jersey/appellate-division-unpublished/2006/a0422-05-opn.htmlBut yeah, everything is MJ's fault, he turned this good man, Evan, into evil.
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Post by respect77 on Nov 22, 2017 5:10:17 GMT
As for jealousy. I think there was jealousy but the subject of that jealousy wasn't anyone's relationship with June (Evan didn't care about June, on the Schwartz tape he is actually very hateful towards her, eg. "In my mind, she’s died. I don’t ever want to talk to her again. [tape irregularity] sitting on the stand being totally humiliated or at the end of a shotgun. That’s the only way I want to see June now." or "I’ll tell you one thing that Jordy has no idea about, and that’s what love means. He doesn’t even have the remotest idea. He can’t learn it from June. She doesn’t know what it means. She has no conception of what it means." etc.), but about Evan being left out of his family's relationship with MJ. As you have seen above, after all, Evan wasn't much of a family man. Only if posing as a family man could bring him money. He was, however, desperate to tie MJ to his family somehow.
I don't completely rule out some sort of budding romantic relationship between MJ and June, but I am not convinced at this point and I would need more evidence of that. But I don't think Evan would have minded it as it would mean to tie MJ to his family. The reason why Evan got mad was because he was being left out and MJ refused to pay him money or give him the benefits he wanted (eg. a screenwriting career). It wasn't about jealousy of June.
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Post by Russg on Jan 5, 2020 20:34:21 GMT
Is there truth to the hater argument that MJ slept 30 nights in a row in Jordan’s bedroom? Is this what JC alleged and was it ever disproven?
I find it hard to believe that even the most careless mother in the world would be comfortable letting a grown man spend every single night sleeping in her sons bedroom for a month. Seems fishy to me.
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Post by Thriller on Jan 6, 2020 1:01:43 GMT
Is there truth to the hater argument that MJ slept 30 nights in a row in Jordan’s bedroom? Is this what JC alleged and was it ever disproven? I find it hard to believe that even the most careless mother in the world would be comfortable letting a grown man spend every single night sleeping in her sons bedroom for a month. Seems fishy to me. Ray Chandler claimed in an interview with CNN, 'Michael slept in the boy's bedroom behind closed doors for 30 nights in a row. Thirty nights in a row.' However in her 2005 testimony June said it wasn't 30 nights in a row. She estimated MJ's stays as being for a week or two. 18 Q. And do you recall on how many occasions Mr. 19 Jackson spent the night at your residence? 20 A. I would say more than 30 times. 21 Q. And were some of those occasions on 22 consecutive days or nights? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. And how long consecutively do you think that 25 that occurred? 26 A. Oh. It could be a week or two at a time.
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