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Post by jaywonder on Nov 24, 2017 10:21:16 GMT
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Post by respect77 on Nov 24, 2017 12:25:16 GMT
That she's biased for Janet, naturally.
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Post by suzie on Nov 24, 2017 18:14:48 GMT
^^^ Of course. MJ and Janet are different people who work different ways. It seems she was expecting MJ to be like Janet. I think Tina has a huge ego. It seems that her ego was hurt because MJ didn't kiss her ass and wasn't her friend because of how great she thinks she is.. Lavelle and Travis both have said that wasn't a fun shoot. So I don't think she's lying there.
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Post by Snow White on Nov 25, 2017 2:48:05 GMT
I agree with respect and suzie.
Why do Janet Jackson's fans still think Michael needed her due to the allegations? Even if HIStory didn't sell as his previous albums in USA, it was a smashing success all over the world, Michael consistently had a strong fanbase in the 5 continents while Janet has USA fanbase wise np matter how the media or her fans want to inflate her success and using it against him.
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Post by Snow White on Nov 25, 2017 5:03:55 GMT
Going back the Scream short, the reasons why I like it, number one, it's a visual and technological nerdgasm and because of Michael's solo choreography sections. The portion Tina Landon choreographed worked well for Michael and Janet, both of them looked good but after watching Thriller, Captain Eo, Smooth Criminal or Ghosts, her piece is not that impressive. I don't hide I never got into her even when she was more popular and I may be baised against Janet but I never found her impressive as a dancer or entertainer overall for the host of that show to say both sibling are giants in the industry. I don't take away Janet was very successful in the mid 80s and 90s but she's nowhere near Michael's caliber. The reason why he couldn't come back a second time was because the 2005 trial took a huge toll on his physical and mental health, not because of losing most of his fans like Janet did after her stupid publicity stunt in the Super Bowl.
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Post by dancingmjsdream on Nov 25, 2017 7:49:38 GMT
Going back the Scream short, the reasons why I like it, number one, it's a visual and technological nerdgasm and because of Michael's solo choreography sections. The portion Tina Landon choreographed worked well for Michael and Janet, both of them looked good but after watching Thriller, Captain Eo, Smooth Criminal or Ghosts, her piece is not that impressive. I don't hide I never got into her even when she was more popular and I may be baised against Janet but I never found her impressive as a dancer or entertainer overall for the host of that show to say both sibling are giants in the industry. I don't take away Janet was very successful in the mid 80s and 90s but she's nowhere near Michael's caliber. The reason why he couldn't come back a second time was because the 2005 trial took a huge toll on his physical and mental health, not because of losing most of his fans like Janet did after her stupid publicity stunt in the Super Bowl. I like Tina's work. Watch If or the Velvet Rope Tour (which Tina choreographed), it's amazing. But I don't like how Janet fans act like she was so much more influential and innovative. It's simply not true. And Janet didn't choreograph her dances or wrote all of her songs, I think her fans give her too much credit sometimes. MJ certainly didn't need Janet to remain successful. Yes she got more popular than him in the US but here in Europe she is only known as MJ's sister. Nobody my age here can name one Janet song. They don't even know that their faves Beyoncรฉ, Rihanna etc were heavily inspired by her LOL.
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Post by respect77 on Nov 25, 2017 20:10:57 GMT
I noticed that Janet fans are very competitive with MJ. They often claim that Janet was bigger from the 1990s on and I think that's delusional and living in a probably US-centered bubble. There might have been times in the '90s when in the US for a moment Janet was more popular, but globally and on the long term, nah. Honestly, outside of the US Janet has always been "MJ's little sister". Here in Europe I never noticed a huge interest in her. Not even during her hey day. I have never seen anyone here who claimed to be a Janet fan - independently from MJ. The Janet fans I have seen were people who were really MJ fans and as a side note liked his sister too.
I do think that she deserves more credit from the media than she gets these days, but to pretend she is on MJ's level in influence or popularity is ridiculous. I understand though that Janet fans are frustrated for her legacy being ignored these days, so their zeal to try to put her on MJ's level maybe has to do with that.
I also think Janet's team sometimes has a similar zeal as her fans.
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Post by Snow White on Nov 26, 2017 1:24:16 GMT
Same here in Mexico and the rest of the non English-speaking countries in the continent, she's just Michael's sister. I don't think she has a big fanbase of her own, she shares fans with MJ. And looking at the places she toured when she was successful, it backs up my previous perception. She just toured North America but Mexico, some countries in Europe, from Africa just South Africa, in Asia just Japan and Singapore. Idon't get why her fans don't accept Janet never had the worldwide appeal Michael achieved.
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Post by suzie on Nov 26, 2017 11:48:12 GMT
Janet was never bigger than MJ at any point in their careers. She was more successful from 93-01 as far as charting but he even outsold her during that period. She only outsold him during A4U vs Invincible. His compilation albums during the 00s outsold her new albums released during that same period. I love Janet but there's no need to put her against MJ. She's great in her own right. But yea Janet was never as big as MJ worldwide or even her peers Madonna, Whitney, Mariah & Celine. I can't say why except maybe her music was more r&b based. As far as dancing MJ is the better dancer even though Janet's choreography is more intricate. Sometimes her choreography has too much movement. Less is more. Every piece doesn't have to be a full 8 count.
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Post by dancingmjsdream on Nov 26, 2017 13:21:00 GMT
Janet was never bigger than MJ at any point in their careers. She was more successful from 93-01 as far as charting but he even outsold her during that period. She only outsold him during A4U vs Invincible. His compilation albums during the 00s outsold her new albums released during that same period. I love Janet but there's no need to put her against MJ. She's great in her own right. But yea Janet was never as big as MJ worldwide or even her peers Madonna, Whitney, Mariah & Celine. I can't say why except maybe her music was more r&b based. As far as dancing MJ is the better dancer even though Janet's choreography is more intricate. Sometimes her choreography has too much movement. Less is more. Every piece doesn't have to be a full 8 count. I agree. I think that's the only thing I sometimes prefer in her career, she did more choreography and presented more new songs in her tours and tv performances. But she's a bit boring imo, it's always the same: choreography, playback, 0% spontanity, no free style... I really believe she never sung completely live in her tours, which is kinda shocking for such a long career. I would have felt cheated. She should have danced less, her voice is pretty thin. But her fans always claim that MJ was repetitive and always did the same moves. They even say she was a more versatile dancer.
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Post by TonyR on Nov 26, 2017 13:26:35 GMT
Not sure why everything is a competition with MJ having to win everything?
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Post by dancingmjsdream on Nov 26, 2017 13:33:01 GMT
Not sure why everything is a competition with MJ having to win everything? Well I don't get why Janet fans lie to make her look better. I have read so many lies: MJ begged Janet for help and was nothing without her in the nineties, the only dance moves he did after Thriller were the moonwalk and the leg kick, she was much more influential than him and he is just more popular, he 'stole' from her (as if she was never inspired by him) etc etc. I think they should let Janet's success speak for herself. I think she is great in her own right but her fans make it almost impossible for me to get much into her stuff. The ones I have met are so annoying... maybe I just haven't met the right Janet fans...
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Post by suzie on Nov 26, 2017 17:19:58 GMT
Janet was never bigger than MJ at any point in their careers. She was more successful from 93-01 as far as charting but he even outsold her during that period. She only outsold him during A4U vs Invincible. His compilation albums during the 00s outsold her new albums released during that same period. I love Janet but there's no need to put her against MJ. She's great in her own right. But yea Janet was never as big as MJ worldwide or even her peers Madonna, Whitney, Mariah & Celine. I can't say why except maybe her music was more r&b based. As far as dancing MJ is the better dancer even though Janet's choreography is more intricate. Sometimes her choreography has too much movement. Less is more. Every piece doesn't have to be a full 8 count. I agree. I think that's the only thing I sometimes prefer in her career, she did more choreography and presented more new songs in her tours and tv performances. But she's a bit boring imo, it's always the same: choreography, playback, 0% spontanity, no free style... I really believe she never sung completely live in her tours, which is kinda shocking for such a long career. I would have felt cheated. She should have danced less, her voice is pretty thin. But her fans always claim that MJ was repetitive and always did the same moves. They even say she was a more versatile dancer. Yea what people have to accept that while similar, Janet and MJ were different artist. They have different taste, that's evident in their shows. MJ did pretty good on his set list for BAD and History but with Dangerous he dropped the ball. I think Janet has always relived heavily on a backing track prerecorded vocals because her voice is quite thin. I think she's done bakads live and part of her Rhythm Nation Tour. Janet had to had more choreography to make up for her lack of voice.
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Post by suzie on Nov 26, 2017 17:21:15 GMT
Not sure why everything is a competition with MJ having to win everything? Who here has said such? Actually the interviewer and interviewee were very MJ vs Janet. We were discussing the need for people to put him down to prop her up. Janet can stand on her own
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Post by TonyR on Nov 26, 2017 17:22:56 GMT
Not sure why everything is a competition with MJ having to win everything? Well I don't get why Janet fans lie to make her look better. I have read so many lies: MJ begged Janet for help and was nothing without her in the nineties, the only dance moves he did after Thriller were the moonwalk and the leg kick, she was much more influential than him and he is just more popular, he 'stole' from her (as if she was never inspired by him) etc etc. I think they should let Janet's success speak for herself. I think she is great in her own right but her fans make it almost impossible for me to get much into her stuff. The ones I have met are so annoying... maybe I just haven't met the right Janet fans... yeah, but the problem with the internet is you take what a handful, or even a dozen people say and then take that as meaning 'Janet fans think this'. Janet had/has tens of thousands of fans and yes, a few people may think she's a million times better then MJ and he was nothing without her, but that's probably 1-5% and the rest think nothing of the sort. You can't base the majority on the minority , that's janetism!
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