TonyR
The Legend Continues
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Post by TonyR on Apr 12, 2018 12:28:18 GMT
Yeah I was gonna mention YRMW, but thought I'd get slaughtered for it! In 2001 the landscape was different and you needed a killer first track. Or something different that would surprise people, that's why I always wish it would have been Whatever Happens as the first single. It annoys me that artists & bands are still making the same mistake though. I know I've mentioned it before but Madonna's last 2 lead singles have been ridiculous choices. You have to ask yourself what's created that change though. I think it's the internet age - people are more critical now. Back in the 80s/90s, an artist or a band put out a new song and you either liked it or you didn't, but you were very much alone in how you felt, there was no group think, there was no way of gauging the general consensus of a fanbase, message boards didn't exist, social media didn't exist. That started to change around the late 90s and early 00s. I kind of miss the innocent days when you would turn on Top Of The Pops and out of nowhere you would see that MJ had a new song/video out. Whilst fanbases are more connected these days, sometimes it takes the magic out of it a bit. Indeed. Plus the fantastic why songs would start outside the chart and then climb them gradually as they gathered more airplay & interest. Take Billie Jean for example,look at it's chart run in the UK. It entered the chart at 53!!!! Then 20 etc...it took 6 weeks to get to Number One. Chart run (15 weeks / 29.01.1983 - 07.05.1983) = Highest Position = This Week 57 20 17 5 2 1 2 3 8 11 20 25 36 41 58 |
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Post by MattyJam on Apr 12, 2018 16:22:13 GMT
You have to ask yourself what's created that change though. I think it's the internet age - people are more critical now. Back in the 80s/90s, an artist or a band put out a new song and you either liked it or you didn't, but you were very much alone in how you felt, there was no group think, there was no way of gauging the general consensus of a fanbase, message boards didn't exist, social media didn't exist. That started to change around the late 90s and early 00s. I kind of miss the innocent days when you would turn on Top Of The Pops and out of nowhere you would see that MJ had a new song/video out. Whilst fanbases are more connected these days, sometimes it takes the magic out of it a bit. Indeed. Plus the fantastic why songs would start outside the chart and then climb them gradually as they gathered more airplay & interest. Take Billie Jean for example,look at it's chart run in the UK. It entered the chart at 53!!!! Then 20 etc...it took 6 weeks to get to Number One. Chart run (15 weeks / 29.01.1983 - 07.05.1983) = Highest Position = This Week 57 20 17 5 2 1 2 3 8 11 20 25 36 41 58 God Tony, I thought I was the only person on the planet that got excited by MJ chart runs. All these years, all these cold days and lonely nights... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 9:18:23 GMT
I love chart runs too, espcially long ones, a Charrun for Thriller the album would be interesting.
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Post by aazzaabb on May 14, 2018 18:30:49 GMT
Yeah I was gonna mention YRMW, but thought I'd get slaughtered for it! In 2001 the landscape was different and you needed a killer first track. Or something different that would surprise people, that's why I always wish it would have been Whatever Happens as the first single. It annoys me that artists & bands are still making the same mistake though. I know I've mentioned it before but Madonna's last 2 lead singles have been ridiculous choices. You have to ask yourself what's created that change though. I think it's the internet age - people are more critical now. Back in the 80s/90s, an artist or a band put out a new song and you either liked it or you didn't, but you were very much alone in how you felt, there was no group think, there was no way of gauging the general consensus of a fanbase, message boards didn't exist, social media didn't exist. That started to change around the late 90s and early 00s. I kind of miss the innocent days when you would turn on Top Of The Pops and out of nowhere you would see that MJ had a new song/video out. Whilst fanbases are more connected these days, sometimes it takes the magic out of it a bit. This! This is what I mean by "the album isn't what it used to be". It no longer holds the same allure -the quality of being powerfully and mysteriously attractive or fascinating. The success of an album today depends on the reaction from the internet, and great albums are panned by online critics, fans, stans and anyone with a smartphone. Albums drop off within a week or two in modern era. It's all overly dissected nowadays and anyone can access any album at any time without having to pay for it or leave the house. There was something deeply satisfying about waiting for an album release, travelling out to buy it -you might hear it blasting in the recordshop as you bought it- and looking through the booklet and gazing at the sleeve as you listened. We lived with our albums and they meant everything to us. They plugged us in and connected us to something higher. The mystery is gone. |
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Post by MattyJam on May 15, 2018 8:23:29 GMT
You have to ask yourself what's created that change though. I think it's the internet age - people are more critical now. Back in the 80s/90s, an artist or a band put out a new song and you either liked it or you didn't, but you were very much alone in how you felt, there was no group think, there was no way of gauging the general consensus of a fanbase, message boards didn't exist, social media didn't exist. That started to change around the late 90s and early 00s. I kind of miss the innocent days when you would turn on Top Of The Pops and out of nowhere you would see that MJ had a new song/video out. Whilst fanbases are more connected these days, sometimes it takes the magic out of it a bit. This! This is what I mean by "the album isn't what it used to be". It no longer holds the same allure -the quality of being powerfully and mysteriously attractive or fascinating. The success of an album today depends on the reaction from the internet, and great albums are panned by online critics, fans, stans and anyone with a smartphone. Albums drop off within a week or two in modern era. It's all overly dissected nowadays and anyone can access any album at any time without having to pay for it or leave the house. There was something deeply satisfying about waiting for an album release, travelling out to buy it -you might hear it blasting in the recordshop as you bought it- and looking through the booklet and gazing at the sleeve as you listened. We lived with our albums and they meant everything to us. They plugged us in and connected us to something higher. The mystery is gone. I think the album still holds its allure to our generation, but I'm not so sure about younger generations. I still buy physical CDs - I've never streamed an album in my life (actually, that's a lie, I streamed JT's last album, only to find that it really wasn't worth a purchase in the end). I like owning albums, reading the lyric booklet, seeing the album credits, and listening to 10-12 songs the way the artist envisioned presenting them to the world. I very much believe in the album concept and always will. Screw the younger kids (*edit - in before TonyR quotes that one line), that's their loss if they don't get it. I do and it still bring me a lot of joy. |
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Post by HIStoric on May 15, 2018 8:40:59 GMT
Screw the younger kids ... I do and it still bring me a lot of joy.  ...Why don't you have a seat MattyJam? |
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Post by dancingmjsdream on May 15, 2018 8:51:31 GMT
I enjoy albums very much, it's just unfortunate that most of my favourite artists don't put them out anymore as they are either too old or dead  Maybe I'm an exception, most people my age don't really buy albums. |
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Post by MattyJam on May 15, 2018 8:53:46 GMT
Screw the younger kids ... I do and it still bring me a lot of joy. ...Why don't you have a seat MattyJam? I knew I'd live to regret leaving that line in there. I enjoy albums very much, it's just unfortunate that most of my favourite artists don't put them out anymore as they are either too old or dead Maybe I'm an exception, most people my age don't really buy albums. I find that really sad. I hate what streaming/the internet has done to the music industry. |
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Post by aazzaabb on May 17, 2018 19:58:35 GMT
I didn't think Robbie's Rudebox album was half bad. The lead single was awful, but there were some great songs on the album. Sometimes artists kill their own albums dead in the water with bad single choices which give people a false impression of the rest of the album. Agreed. I loved Rudebox apart from the title track which was lead single which was his worst single IMO. She's Madonna is one of his best and Pet Shop Boys produced it which is brilliant. There's also We're The Pet Shop Boys again done with them and I loved the tracks The 80's and The 90's, and Lovelight. That title track first single though ruined the perception and the fact Robbie said he was going in a different direction. Yeah it was different to past albums but Rudebox had people believe he relaxed a cd of sound effects. |
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Post by aazzaabb on May 17, 2018 20:08:37 GMT
I enjoy albums very much, it's just unfortunate that most of my favourite artists don't put them out anymore as they are either too old or dead Maybe I'm an exception, most people my age don't really buy albums. I've cut down buying albums an awful lot myself to be honest. With Spotify I have everything there at myfinger tips. I do occasionally buy something if I love it but its all there on my phone these days. I do love the convenience of it all. Plug my Beats in and thats it. I suppose the CD is pretty redundant at this point. I'll probably always buy boxsets though; things like Bad25, Sgt Pepper 50th and sets that come with books and extras. |
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Post by dancingmjsdream on May 17, 2018 20:29:28 GMT
I enjoy albums very much, it's just unfortunate that most of my favourite artists don't put them out anymore as they are either too old or dead Maybe I'm an exception, most people my age don't really buy albums. I've cut down buying albums an awful lot myself to be honest. With Spotify I have everything there at myfinger tips. I do occasionally buy something if I love it but its all there on my phone these days. I do love the convenience of it all. Plug my Beats in and thats it. I suppose the CD is pretty redundant at this point. I'll probably always buy boxsets though; things like Bad25, Sgt Pepper 50th and sets that come with books and extras. Yeah I only ever buy them when I feel it is worth it. But when I do I sure spend a lot of money 😇 |
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