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Post by mjjfan810 on Apr 22, 2018 16:29:30 GMT
Considering he was very religious I doubt he committed suicide. I think it was an accidental overdose and that's it. I hope you're right.
Religious people do stuff against their religion all the time though. Judith Hill said she thought he was very depressed. If he was depressed, in pain and unable to do the thing he loved most of all (performing and making music) without the aid of highly addictive drugs, then it could've been the perfect storm for a suicide.
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Post by MattyJam on Apr 22, 2018 16:57:15 GMT
Considering he was very religious I doubt he committed suicide. I think it was an accidental overdose and that's it. I never quite understood how any overdose can be officially ruled as "accidental." You can never truly know whether that person intended to take an overdose or not, because they are no longer around to tell you. Whether Prince intended to overdose or not, I have no idea. I did read on the org that he told Judith how he didn't like the fact that the medics who met him after his plane made that emergency landing gave him those life-saving drugs, which strikes me as a very odd thing to say. I mean, they saved his life, most people would be thankful for that. Unfortunately, I do think a case could be had for it being a suicide, but we will never truly know. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 11:34:00 GMT
Maybe he had lost the will to live and felt he had nothing left to prove.
The hip pain would have been dehabilitating and the Piano and Microphone tour was his first without the big band and leaping around with the guitar. In a lot of ways it was his goodbye tour. It is possible too, he did not want the life saving drugs, as some religious cults believe that death is a natural process and when a person knows they are reaching the end, they should not challenge it as God is calling them home. Those life saving drugs at Moline were interfering with God's plans maybe?
I am not JW or religious, so perhaps a JW could fill us in here.
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Post by MattyJam on Apr 23, 2018 11:52:46 GMT
Maybe he had lost the will to live and felt he had nothing left to prove. The hip pain would have been dehabilitating and the Piano and Microphone tour was his first without the big band and leaping around with the guitar. In a lot of ways it was his goodbye tour. It is possible too, he did not want the life saving drugs, as some religious cults believe that death is a natural process and when a person knows they are reaching the end, they should not challenge it as God is calling them home. Those life saving drugs at Moline were interfering with God's plans maybe? I am not JW or religious, so perhaps a JW could fill us in here. Whatever his beliefs, I find the end of his life desperately sad. At least with MJ, he had his kids. Prince struck me as very lonely and it's sad for anybody to feel like they have nothing left to live for, especially in their mid-fifties. |
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Post by jaywonder on Apr 24, 2018 7:04:35 GMT
Regarding the vault, it looks like Prince was more organized than MJ. LOL. I have the impression that MJ just left things lay all around and he didn't organize things this way. Not really. I was talking to an older fan who knew people at MJJ Productions in the late 80s and early 90s. Basically said Michael's archives (especially the video archive) were stored, catalogued and organized, it wasn't until the late 90s and early 00s that things became sporadic and disorganized. |
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Post by jaywonder on Apr 24, 2018 7:06:43 GMT
Leaked to fans and were released on bootleg sets called Blast From The Past 4.0, 5.0, and 6.0 in the past 2 years. That's not including the several soundboard recordings from the Controversy, 1999, Purple Rain, Hit and Run '86, Parade, Lovesexy, Act I and II, and Piano and Microphone tours that have leaked. I'd say there's at least 200 unreleased songs by Prince that are available Fuck that's crazy! 200! I take it you've heard a lot of them, how do they hold up quality wise? It depends on the period tbh. The 1981-1988 stuff is mostly really good. It's when you get to 1989 on where things get spotty. |
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Post by HIStoric on Apr 24, 2018 11:20:29 GMT
Fuck that's crazy! 200! I take it you've heard a lot of them, how do they hold up quality wise? It depends on the period tbh. The 1981-1988 stuff is mostly really good. It's when you get to 1989 on where things get spotty. Interesting! Somewhat keen to see what that new album in September brings. Also thanks for that interesting tidbit on Michael's archive above. I hope that not a lot has gone missing over the last decade or two! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 11:29:31 GMT
Fuck that's crazy! 200! I take it you've heard a lot of them, how do they hold up quality wise? It depends on the period tbh. The 1981-1988 stuff is mostly really good. It's when you get to 1989 on where things get spotty. I kind of agree, having most of these sets, Blast from the Past, 30 years, the Ivault and Testament there are gems and jokers from all eras. The dates are a bit messy too, with some songs in the wrong year folders in these sets. After 1990 there are just as many good songs as there are rubbish ones. Either way any vault release could be great or just 12 versions of We can funk or Purple Rain out takes. |
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Post by suzie on Apr 30, 2018 1:40:08 GMT
He also didn't have as much of a "vault" as Prince did, so perhaps he never felt the need to store it all properly. Every creative artist has plenty of material to store. He didn't write as many songs as Prince did, but that doesn't mean he had so little that there was no need to store it properly. Sure as hell he had a lot of unreleased material, just listen to the Dangerous deposition. And then I am sure he had many outtakes, alternative takes, demos of known songs, concert footage, behind the scenes footage of the making of videos etc. Every artist has stuff like that, you don't have to write as much as Prince did for that, so why MJ wouldn't? Where those are is another question. I suspect he lost a lot of things over the years (who knows what became of everything he left behind at Neverland in 2005) and some might have been stolen from him. Frank Cascio sometimes tries to sell material on eBay that makes me wonder where he got them from, for example. I somehow have doubts MJ just gave these to him. And I am sure others did this too. MJ wasn't as organized as Prince, that's for sure. MJ himself says in the Dangerous deposition that he doesn't know where some of his stuff is because "I am not organized like that". Actually I think MJs was stored better. Apparently that stuff is stored in a temperate controlled vault. Prince stuff had to be transferred to LA because that fault had damage and the re it’s were comprised due to that as well |
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Post by suzie on Apr 30, 2018 1:43:15 GMT
Regarding the vault, it looks like Prince was more organized than MJ. LOL. I have the impression that MJ just left things lay all around and he didn't organize things this way. Not really. I was talking to an older fan who knew people at MJJ Productions in the late 80s and early 90s. Basically said Michael's archives (especially the video archive) were stored, catalogued and organized, it wasn't until the late 90s and early 00s that things became sporadic and disorganized. I just posted this. I heard this as well lol It was in a temperature controlled room from what I remember. |
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Post by SoCav on May 1, 2018 11:38:04 GMT
Whether Prince intended to overdose or not, I have no idea. I did read on the org that he told Judith how he didn't like the fact that the medics who met him after his plane made that emergency landing gave him those life-saving drugs, which strikes me as a very odd thing to say. I mean, they saved his life, most people would be thankful for that. To me it seemed like he was just in denial about his pill problem. He told Judith that if the paramedics had just left him alone, he would have woken up by himself. He claimed it was the Narcan that messed him up. So that did not sound like he was expressing a desire to have been left alone and die, he just denied that he needed to be saved in the first place. On the other hand, Judith did of course suggest that he may have been suicidal. I guess we will never know. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 11:52:58 GMT
Very unpleasant photos online. Ones I wish I havent seen, but I have.
MJ's dead body was on the cover of so many magazines, before it was actually established he was already dead being but into the ambulance.
What an incredibly sad and undignified way both men went. I'm gonna go listen to Prince now.
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Post by mjjfan810 on May 1, 2018 11:55:28 GMT
Very unpleasant photos online. Ones I wish I havent seen, but I have. MJ's dead body was on the cover of so many magazines, before it was actually established he was already dead being but into the ambulance.
What an incredibly sad and undignified way both men went. I'm gonna go listen to Prince now. I'm pretty sure the ambulance pic was fake.
The only real photos of MJs dead body were the autopsy ones that came out during the Conrad Murray trial.
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