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Post by aazzaabb on May 12, 2018 23:53:37 GMT
I think my brain is just exhausted from a lifetime of it. It's not something you sign up for when becoming a fan of someone. I have my tattoo and I'm very proud to be a fan but somethings you just feel "let it go. Get over it." Yeah. I’ve come to accept that you can’t convince everyone, and that’s not just with MJ but a lot of topics in general. It’ll never stop me showing off my love for MJ, though I don’t rub it in anyone’s face... but that’s not exclusive to MJ either. Even without the allegations people in general seem to have a lot of hatred for artists they don't like. Plenty of examples on here. Yeah, it’s bizaare to me tbh. Especially that thread that popped up yesterday. Yeah I'm all for showing the MJ love😎 But yeah that thread😂Those threads always go down the road of nastiness. Some people must be very angry or unhappy. I'll never understand it to be honest.
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Post by Michaels Lover on May 13, 2018 0:23:22 GMT
I always make sure that all you have to do is take one look at me and you will know I'm a MJ fan. Whether it's wearing a shirt, a bag, a hat, bracelet, anything, you name it, I have it! Or simply making sure to show off my tattoos (I have 3 MJ tattoos). I do get a lot of comments from strangers about MJ, but never any negative ones, and random people don't just start discussing him with me. It's usually just comments like, "Michael Jackson, wow cool" "cool shirt" "I love your bag" , things like that. Once a guy (stranger) said to me that it doesn't take long to find out that I'm an MJ fan, and then he started telling me about how his wife performs MJ songs with a band, and then he went on to give me a flyer and telling me where to go see/hear her....it's fun as long as the comments are positive, and they always are. The same goes for my home. If someone comes into my apartment they're usually in shock because of how everything is covered with MJ. The walls, the curtains, the bed, everything is MJ in my home. And very rarely do I get negative comments. The first questions I usually get if someone starts asking me questions is, how long have you been a fan and did you ever see him live? 9 out of 10 times are those the questions I get. And if they start talking about him, they usually say things like he had a skin disease and then comment about about if he is the biological father of his children. I always say, I have no comment to that! I don't discuss his private life. Once in a while plastic surgery gets mentioned, but the allegations rarely comes up. Other than that, it's usually the music that gets discussed. Sometimes when people come into my home, we end up listening to him or watching video with him. Because I'm always watching MJ, it's always on, so they ask, what are you watching? Oh, just some MJ...and they go, can I watch??? My therapist loves to watch MJ with me (she comes home to me once a week)
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2018 1:22:17 GMT
It has always pissed me off that anyone could believe that rubbish, but it is prevalent. I got more shit for being an MJ fan boy in 1993/94 during the Chandler period, as I was still in high school and nearly everyone went off him except me for 2 reasons. One was I really loved Dangerous and Two was that I knew this boy and his family just wanted money and saw Michael as a soft target, being the ridicule of tabloids and gossip artists already.
I don't remember much in 2004/05 era, just a few friends mentioned him as a kiddie fiddler and I said he wasn't and they all laughed at me, and I even had mates who thought the trial was rigged. I don't talk to those people now, if they can not tell fact from fiction they are not a good judge of character. Michael was only guilty of letting those kids too close to him and letting the media in to see it. But he got smart at the end. After the trial he knew he had to tone the Peter Pan stuff down, sold Neverland and let out some statement about how he will now give from afar and less directly.
Lately I don't hear it now, a new generation has come and the people now are generally more empathetic and open minded than those of our generation and earlier. Most young people see Michael as a legend and icon rather than the image of a bizarre paedophile.
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Post by bedroom on May 13, 2018 5:26:05 GMT
Rarely anyone I'm friends with trashes him. People usually like him. And if they don't, I don't really mind. I hate trying to convince someone, everybody has an opinion. Also I remember how the trial was handled in the media, so I don't blame people for thinking he's guilty
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Post by respect77 on May 13, 2018 5:45:19 GMT
It does annoy me because I find it so unfair to MJ. He was a man with a golden heart but you have do defend him from vile shit like this.
In real life I have never met anyone though who said he was guilty. I remember in my old workplace we sat at a meeting and my boss randomly brought him up as an example of someone who was falsely accused. And he didn't know I was a fan so it wasn't to cater to me or anything like that. I was so glad to hear that. He also isn't the MJ fan-type. He is of older generation, more the Pink Floyd/old rock-type of person (he and his girlfriend went to a Pink Floyd show once, so I know that). So I was glad to hear that.
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Post by MattyJam on May 13, 2018 6:36:41 GMT
It does annoy me because I find it so unfair to MJ. He was a man with a golden heart but you have do defend him from vile shit like this. In real life I have never met anyone though who said he was guilty. I remember in my old workplace we sat at a meeting and my boss randomly brought him up as an example of someone who was falsely accused. And he didn't know I was a fan so it wasn't to cater to me or anything like that. I was so glad to hear that. He also isn't the MJ fan-type. He is of older generation, more the Pink Floyd/old rock-type of person (he and his girlfriend went to a Pink Floyd show once, so I know that). So I was glad to hear that. respect77 at her meeting:
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Post by HIStoric on May 13, 2018 6:53:34 GMT
In real life I have never met anyone though who said he was guilty. I remember in my old workplace we sat at a meeting and my boss randomly brought him up as an example of someone who was falsely accused. And he didn't know I was a fan so it wasn't to cater to me or anything like that. I was so glad to hear that. He also isn't the MJ fan-type. He is of older generation, more the Pink Floyd/old rock-type of person (he and his girlfriend went to a Pink Floyd show once, so I know that). So I was glad to hear that. That's awesome. Similar for me, I know some people who are just that type of music fans and I spent a while with them a few years ago. Naturally with all of us being heavy into music, it was a constant discussion. Lots of classic stuff was discussed, especially rock/metal orientated, but the rare time MJ was brought up, they were always positive and very respectful - which I thought was really cool! I think there's been a real shift in opinion over him and the allegations this past decade and I think it's been quite liberating as a Michael Jackson fan. 10 years ago when I first got into him, I remember not wanting kids at school to know I was a Michael Jackson fan... but now I never ever have any qualms making my love for him known because there's just so much more respect for him as an artist these days. And when people do try to start shit on social media, there's generally a number of comments calling them out
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Post by respect77 on May 13, 2018 7:37:06 GMT
Also, I think after a while you realize that there is so much ignorance on social media and that it is not only about MJ. People generally are quick to judge based on a two line tweet or any other soundbite or incomplete information without investing in an in-depth look. It is an unfortunate reality of this short attention-span era. It's not without a reason that people are so quick to believe fake news. There also seems to be a general anti-science, anti-reason backlash recently, in favour of conspiracy theories and other fantasies. So knowing that this is the kind of world we are living in right now, it affects you less because you stop just caring about ignorant opinions after a while.
But the injustice of it still bothers me, of course.
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Post by aazzaabb on May 13, 2018 10:49:17 GMT
Also, I think after a while you realize that there is so much ignorance on social media and that it is not only about MJ. People generally are quick to judge based on a two line tweet or any other soundbite or incomplete information without investing in an in-depth look. It is an unfortunate reality of this short attention-span era. It's not without a reason that people are so quick to believe fake news. There also seems to be a general anti-science, anti-reason backlash recently, in favour of conspiracy theories and other fantasies. So knowing that this is the kind of world we are living in right now, it affects you less because you stop just caring about ignorant opinions after a while. But the injustice of it still bothers me, of course. That's a brilliant story about your boss. I've had situations like that too and it just makes my week. It's heart warming and gives me faith in humanity. 😎 I agree with the above also, it's why I avoid social media amongst other things.
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Post by SmoothGangsta on May 16, 2018 19:19:44 GMT
Most of my friends don't actively listen to him but like some of his songs and also appreciate his art and his talent.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 11:14:20 GMT
And the same with me, people know and they are wise to keep any negative opinions of Michael to themselves.
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Post by mistermaxxx08 on May 28, 2018 3:40:23 GMT
before he died there was more of folks popping off, however in death very rarely do you get it as much and if you do its the usual re cycle kind of talk.
the focus in death has mainly been put back on his great musical talent and career.
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Post by ghost on May 28, 2018 12:47:33 GMT
Yes, it does upset me and I wish it didn't. I try not to pay too much attention to those people who spread their hatred and bile on social media or various comments sections (you know which websites I'm referring to). But it is still tempting from time to time to get sucked into a debate, which always ends up being pointless as the people you end up arguing with are nearly always uniformed, quoting long-debunked tabloid myths and completely unwilling to open their mind up to the possibility that they could be wrong.
I have found the Wade allegations particularly hurtful, as it feels like more of a betrayal than the Chandler/Arvizo cases. At least with Jordy and Gavin, you could make certain allowances for the fact that they both had an opportunistic parent, seemingly steering the ship behind the scenes. Not so with Wade, who not only seems just as calculating and ruthless as Evan Chandler or Janet Arivzo, but also has pissed all over two decades of friendship and kindness from MJ. Such a terrible betrayal, my only solace is that MJ is no longer here to witness this sorry mess. He was stabbed in the back enough in his lifetime, I don't think he could've taken anymore after 2005.
I take great satisfaction in the knowledge that Wade's allegations have actually gained very little traction in the media, despite repeated organised and strategic attempts from Wade and his lawyers to smear MJs reputation whenever an anniversary, birthday or estate-endorsed release rolls around. Because such actions are really how genuine victims of horrific sex abuse crimes conduct themselves.
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Post by russtcb on May 30, 2018 12:09:28 GMT
before he died there was more of folks popping off, however in death very rarely do you get it as much and if you do its the usual re cycle kind of talk.
the focus in death has mainly been put back on his great musical talent and career.
I feel this and I used to get very mad about it actually. When Michael passed, I got VERY angry at the world and it lasted for several months. I used to say "Up until June 24th 2009, everybody and their brother had a Michael Jackson/kids joke on deck. Then suddenly around 12:21pm on 06/25/2009, everybody and their brother became the worlds biggest Michael Jackson fan". I found it ironic but also disgusting. Someone like myself had been his champion for such a long time. I never believed one word of the accusations even long before they were proven to be complete bullshit. I watched and listened to everything he was doing with loyalty and respect. I withstood everyone who fancied themselves the wittiest person ever having a joke in poor taste whenever his name came up. Now all of a sudden because he passed, everyone in the free world is on my side? Now all of a sudden he's a misunderstood genius? I was mad. There's no other way to describe it. I was mad. I sat on the anger for months and even lashed out at some people I knew to be bandwagon fans. Then a few months after he passed, a friend and I were listening to HIStory and I was telling my friend how angry I'd been. My friend said "You know who would be mad at you? Michael Jackson". I strongly disagreed, going on about how loyal I'd been when seemingly everyone else turned their back. My friend said "And do you know how Michael would want you to react to them now? He would want you to love them." That hit me like a ton of bricks because it was so true. Michael would want exactly that; he would want me to return hate (or perceived hate) with love and only that. Since that day, I've tried to remember that in all aspects when the subject of Michael comes up. I have a tattoo of Michael on my left leg (it's my profile picture) and the more time that passes since he left us, the more worried I become that it'll become acceptable again to make jokes at his expense. I'm always worried that I'll be in public, someone will make a remark and it'll lead to a bad situation. If that ever occurs, I'm going to try to remember what my friend said and just show them love in any way I can. It might be something as simple as just ignoring the remark, but I'll do my best because I think that's what Michael would've wanted. Slightly off topic but since I mentioned my tattoo, I would like to say that it's been a source of joy thus far. I've had many people comment on it in public and it's always nice. Just the other day my wife and I were in a grocery store and an older black woman (her race will become important in a second) came up to me and said "I just had to come say I love Michael too. It's awesome to see a young white man appreciate him". I said "I've always loved Michael and I'm proud to show it regardless of my color or age. He said 'heal the world, make it a better place, for and for me and the ENTIRE human race'". She smiled very big, leaned over to my wife and said "I'm sorry but can I give him a hug?" lol. I got a random hug from a random stranger in public and we both felt joy if even for a few minutes
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Post by Russg on Jun 1, 2018 19:03:28 GMT
before he died there was more of folks popping off, however in death very rarely do you get it as much and if you do its the usual re cycle kind of talk.
the focus in death has mainly been put back on his great musical talent and career.
I feel this and I used to get very mad about it actually. When Michael passed, I got VERY angry at the world and it lasted for several months. I used to say "Up until June 24th 2009, everybody and their brother had a Michael Jackson/kids joke on deck. Then suddenly around 12:21pm on 06/25/2009, everybody and their brother became the worlds biggest Michael Jackson fan". I found it ironic but also disgusting. Someone like myself had been his champion for such a long time. I never believed one word of the accusations even long before they were proven to be complete bullshit. I watched and listened to everything he was doing with loyalty and respect. I withstood everyone who fancied themselves the wittiest person ever having a joke in poor taste whenever his name came up. Now all of a sudden because he passed, everyone in the free world is on my side? Now all of a sudden he's a misunderstood genius? I was mad. There's no other way to describe it. I was mad. I sat on the anger for months and even lashed out at some people I knew to be bandwagon fans. Then a few months after he passed, a friend and I were listening to HIStory and I was telling my friend how angry I'd been. My friend said "You know who would be mad at you? Michael Jackson". I strongly disagreed, going on about how loyal I'd been when seemingly everyone else turned their back. My friend said "And do you know how Michael would want you to react to them now? He would want you to love them." That hit me like a ton of bricks because it was so true. Michael would want exactly that; he would want me to return hate (or perceived hate) with love and only that. Since that day, I've tried to remember that in all aspects when the subject of Michael comes up. I have a tattoo of Michael on my left leg (it's my profile picture) and the more time that passes since he left us, the more worried I become that it'll become acceptable again to make jokes at his expense. I'm always worried that I'll be in public, someone will make a remark and it'll lead to a bad situation. If that ever occurs, I'm going to try to remember what my friend said and just show them love in any way I can. It might be something as simple as just ignoring the remark, but I'll do my best because I think that's what Michael would've wanted. Slightly off topic but since I mentioned my tattoo, I would like to say that it's been a source of joy thus far. I've had many people comment on it in public and it's always nice. Just the other day my wife and I were in a grocery store and an older black woman (her race will become important in a second) came up to me and said "I just had to come say I love Michael too. It's awesome to see a young white man appreciate him". I said "I've always loved Michael and I'm proud to show it regardless of my color or age. He said 'heal the world, make it a better place, for and for me and the ENTIRE human race'". She smiled very big, leaned over to my wife and said "I'm sorry but can I give him a hug?" lol. I got a random hug from a random stranger in public and we both felt joy if even for a few minutes From one Russ to another, that's a beautiful story man.
Love your tattoo by the way. Looks like you got it after he passed. You don't regret it do you?
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