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Post by Michaels Lover on Jun 2, 2018 14:05:39 GMT
before he died there was more of folks popping off, however in death very rarely do you get it as much and if you do its the usual re cycle kind of talk.
the focus in death has mainly been put back on his great musical talent and career.
I feel this and I used to get very mad about it actually. When Michael passed, I got VERY angry at the world and it lasted for several months. I used to say "Up until June 24th 2009, everybody and their brother had a Michael Jackson/kids joke on deck. Then suddenly around 12:21pm on 06/25/2009, everybody and their brother became the worlds biggest Michael Jackson fan". I found it ironic but also disgusting. Someone like myself had been his champion for such a long time. I never believed one word of the accusations even long before they were proven to be complete bullshit. I watched and listened to everything he was doing with loyalty and respect. I withstood everyone who fancied themselves the wittiest person ever having a joke in poor taste whenever his name came up. Now all of a sudden because he passed, everyone in the free world is on my side? Now all of a sudden he's a misunderstood genius? I was mad. There's no other way to describe it. I was mad. I sat on the anger for months and even lashed out at some people I knew to be bandwagon fans. Then a few months after he passed, a friend and I were listening to HIStory and I was telling my friend how angry I'd been. My friend said "You know who would be mad at you? Michael Jackson". I strongly disagreed, going on about how loyal I'd been when seemingly everyone else turned their back. My friend said "And do you know how Michael would want you to react to them now? He would want you to love them." That hit me like a ton of bricks because it was so true. Michael would want exactly that; he would want me to return hate (or perceived hate) with love and only that. Since that day, I've tried to remember that in all aspects when the subject of Michael comes up. I have a tattoo of Michael on my left leg (it's my profile picture) and the more time that passes since he left us, the more worried I become that it'll become acceptable again to make jokes at his expense. I'm always worried that I'll be in public, someone will make a remark and it'll lead to a bad situation. If that ever occurs, I'm going to try to remember what my friend said and just show them love in any way I can. It might be something as simple as just ignoring the remark, but I'll do my best because I think that's what Michael would've wanted. Slightly off topic but since I mentioned my tattoo, I would like to say that it's been a source of joy thus far. I've had many people comment on it in public and it's always nice. Just the other day my wife and I were in a grocery store and an older black woman (her race will become important in a second) came up to me and said "I just had to come say I love Michael too. It's awesome to see a young white man appreciate him". I said "I've always loved Michael and I'm proud to show it regardless of my color or age. He said 'heal the world, make it a better place, for and for me and the ENTIRE human race'". She smiled very big, leaned over to my wife and said "I'm sorry but can I give him a hug?" lol. I got a random hug from a random stranger in public and we both felt joy if even for a few minutes I understand why you were mad for those reasons, I was too. Still am to a degree. Every time someone make a positive comment about MJ to me, I can't help but wonder, if they only started liking him after he passed. What your friend said might be true, but I can never stop thinking about, where were those people when Michael needed them the most? I mean, I know he got massive support from his fans, even in his darkest hours, but still...if you only start to like someone just because they're dead, I still think it's lousy. Especially if you didn't particularly like them before Once on another forum I was on (non-MJ), they always wrote about him like crazy in the off topic section on the forum. And people wrote all this shit, and I spend all my time defending him, so everyone knew I was a massive MJ fan. And there was this one guy who bullied me about it. Calling me every name in the book and did the same to MJ. He wasn't just bullying me, he was stalking me. Every time I wrote something on the forum, also about something else other than MJ, he was there with a comment calling me an insane bitch and what not. He was really a true MJ hater. I just ignored him, because why should I care what some jerk on the internet says to me that I don't even know. The only thing that bothered me, was that he got away with it. Anyway, the day MJ died, he send me a private message saying how sorry he was that MJ had died and he was a genius and he would miss him. I simply wrote back to him: Go to hell Today, at the hospital I'm at, another patient asked me, sorry what does your tattoo say (I have "Michael Jackson" written on my forearm)? I showed him and he said, oohh Michael Jackson. Cool! I like him. They never found out if he was guilty or not in those child abuse accusations. And I was like, uhm yeah, the trial. And he started yelling at me that there was never a case and what not. I was a bit scared when he started talking to me because I had seen him yell at other people before. This is a psychiatric hospital and he must be very sick, and he never goes anywhere without a staff, and they had to calm him down. They told me to just ignore him and that they would take care of it. It was a bit scary. But I've also had some positive experiences like other patients and staff commenting on my MJ tattoos, and the other day I had an MJ t-shirt on, and I got at least 7 compliments on it that day I was a t-shirt with a picture of him when he was a kid, and one staff commented on that's when his skin was darker and his nose was bigger. I was prepared for a BS speech about his skin and plastic surgery, but luckily that was all she said. The best compliment I got was also from a staff who said, what a beautiful boy you have on your shirt! What gorgeous eyes he has, you just want to hug him. I think that was so sweet
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Post by russtcb on Jun 2, 2018 16:49:21 GMT
I feel this and I used to get very mad about it actually. When Michael passed, I got VERY angry at the world and it lasted for several months. I used to say "Up until June 24th 2009, everybody and their brother had a Michael Jackson/kids joke on deck. Then suddenly around 12:21pm on 06/25/2009, everybody and their brother became the worlds biggest Michael Jackson fan". I found it ironic but also disgusting. Someone like myself had been his champion for such a long time. I never believed one word of the accusations even long before they were proven to be complete bullshit. I watched and listened to everything he was doing with loyalty and respect. I withstood everyone who fancied themselves the wittiest person ever having a joke in poor taste whenever his name came up. Now all of a sudden because he passed, everyone in the free world is on my side? Now all of a sudden he's a misunderstood genius? I was mad. There's no other way to describe it. I was mad. I sat on the anger for months and even lashed out at some people I knew to be bandwagon fans. Then a few months after he passed, a friend and I were listening to HIStory and I was telling my friend how angry I'd been. My friend said "You know who would be mad at you? Michael Jackson". I strongly disagreed, going on about how loyal I'd been when seemingly everyone else turned their back. My friend said "And do you know how Michael would want you to react to them now? He would want you to love them." That hit me like a ton of bricks because it was so true. Michael would want exactly that; he would want me to return hate (or perceived hate) with love and only that. Since that day, I've tried to remember that in all aspects when the subject of Michael comes up. I have a tattoo of Michael on my left leg (it's my profile picture) and the more time that passes since he left us, the more worried I become that it'll become acceptable again to make jokes at his expense. I'm always worried that I'll be in public, someone will make a remark and it'll lead to a bad situation. If that ever occurs, I'm going to try to remember what my friend said and just show them love in any way I can. It might be something as simple as just ignoring the remark, but I'll do my best because I think that's what Michael would've wanted. Slightly off topic but since I mentioned my tattoo, I would like to say that it's been a source of joy thus far. I've had many people comment on it in public and it's always nice. Just the other day my wife and I were in a grocery store and an older black woman (her race will become important in a second) came up to me and said "I just had to come say I love Michael too. It's awesome to see a young white man appreciate him". I said "I've always loved Michael and I'm proud to show it regardless of my color or age. He said 'heal the world, make it a better place, for and for me and the ENTIRE human race'". She smiled very big, leaned over to my wife and said "I'm sorry but can I give him a hug?" lol. I got a random hug from a random stranger in public and we both felt joy if even for a few minutes From one Russ to another, that's a beautiful story man.
Love your tattoo by the way. Looks like you got it after he passed. You don't regret it do you?
Thanks! And no regrets at all. I got it not long after he passed. I have a lot of music related tattoos and always meant to get around to getting one for MJ. His passing brought it front of mind for me and I got it done soon after.
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Post by russtcb on Jun 2, 2018 16:54:47 GMT
I feel this and I used to get very mad about it actually. When Michael passed, I got VERY angry at the world and it lasted for several months. I used to say "Up until June 24th 2009, everybody and their brother had a Michael Jackson/kids joke on deck. Then suddenly around 12:21pm on 06/25/2009, everybody and their brother became the worlds biggest Michael Jackson fan". I found it ironic but also disgusting. Someone like myself had been his champion for such a long time. I never believed one word of the accusations even long before they were proven to be complete bullshit. I watched and listened to everything he was doing with loyalty and respect. I withstood everyone who fancied themselves the wittiest person ever having a joke in poor taste whenever his name came up. Now all of a sudden because he passed, everyone in the free world is on my side? Now all of a sudden he's a misunderstood genius? I was mad. There's no other way to describe it. I was mad. I sat on the anger for months and even lashed out at some people I knew to be bandwagon fans. Then a few months after he passed, a friend and I were listening to HIStory and I was telling my friend how angry I'd been. My friend said "You know who would be mad at you? Michael Jackson". I strongly disagreed, going on about how loyal I'd been when seemingly everyone else turned their back. My friend said "And do you know how Michael would want you to react to them now? He would want you to love them." That hit me like a ton of bricks because it was so true. Michael would want exactly that; he would want me to return hate (or perceived hate) with love and only that. Since that day, I've tried to remember that in all aspects when the subject of Michael comes up. I have a tattoo of Michael on my left leg (it's my profile picture) and the more time that passes since he left us, the more worried I become that it'll become acceptable again to make jokes at his expense. I'm always worried that I'll be in public, someone will make a remark and it'll lead to a bad situation. If that ever occurs, I'm going to try to remember what my friend said and just show them love in any way I can. It might be something as simple as just ignoring the remark, but I'll do my best because I think that's what Michael would've wanted. Slightly off topic but since I mentioned my tattoo, I would like to say that it's been a source of joy thus far. I've had many people comment on it in public and it's always nice. Just the other day my wife and I were in a grocery store and an older black woman (her race will become important in a second) came up to me and said "I just had to come say I love Michael too. It's awesome to see a young white man appreciate him". I said "I've always loved Michael and I'm proud to show it regardless of my color or age. He said 'heal the world, make it a better place, for and for me and the ENTIRE human race'". She smiled very big, leaned over to my wife and said "I'm sorry but can I give him a hug?" lol. I got a random hug from a random stranger in public and we both felt joy if even for a few minutes I understand why you were mad for those reasons, I was too. Still am to a degree. Every time someone make a positive comment about MJ to me, I can't help but wonder, if they only started liking him after he passed. What your friend said might be true, but I can never stop thinking about, where were those people when Michael needed them the most? I mean, I know he got massive support from his fans, even in his darkest hours, but still...if you only start to like someone just because they're dead, I still think it's lousy. Especially if you didn't particularly like them before Once on another forum I was on (non-MJ), they always wrote about him like crazy in the off topic section on the forum. And people wrote all this shit, and I spend all my time defending him, so everyone knew I was a massive MJ fan. And there was this one guy who bullied me about it. Calling me every name in the book and did the same to MJ. He wasn't just bullying me, he was stalking me. Every time I wrote something on the forum, also about something else other than MJ, he was there with a comment calling me an insane bitch and what not. He was really a true MJ hater. I just ignored him, because why should I care what some jerk on the internet says to me that I don't even know. The only thing that bothered me, was that he got away with it. Anyway, the day MJ died, he send me a private message saying how sorry he was that MJ had died and he was a genius and he would miss him. I simply wrote back to him: Go to hell Today, at the hospital I'm at, another patient asked me, sorry what does your tattoo say (I have "Michael Jackson" written on my forearm)? I showed him and he said, oohh Michael Jackson. Cool! I like him. They never found out if he was guilty or not in those child abuse accusations. And I was like, uhm yeah, the trial. And he started yelling at me that there was never a case and what not. I was a bit scared when he started talking to me because I had seen him yell at other people before. This is a psychiatric hospital and he must be very sick, and he never goes anywhere without a staff, and they had to calm him down. They told me to just ignore him and that they would take care of it. It was a bit scary. But I've also had some positive experiences like other patients and staff commenting on my MJ tattoos, and the other day I had an MJ t-shirt on, and I got at least 7 compliments on it that day I was a t-shirt with a picture of him when he was a kid, and one staff commented on that's when his skin was darker and his nose was bigger. I was prepared for a BS speech about his skin and plastic surgery, but luckily that was all she said. The best compliment I got was also from a staff who said, what a beautiful boy you have on your shirt! What gorgeous eyes he has, you just want to hug him. I think that was so sweet I hear ya, trust me. I was flat out ANGRY for a while at pretty much everyone who decided they were all of a sudden an MJ fan because he passed. I had exactly the same thoughts; WHERE WERE YOU WHEN HE NEEDED YOU?! But I think my friend is right in the end. If Michael could see me getting all angry with someone on his behalf, he'd probably be more ashamed than proud of me. Since my friend mentioned that to me, I've tried to do what Michael's favorite song says and just smile. If I can't bring me nice to be outright nice about it, I'll do my best to at least smile.
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Post by respect77 on Jun 2, 2018 17:53:39 GMT
Once on another forum I was on (non-MJ), they always wrote about him like crazy in the off topic section on the forum. And people wrote all this shit, and I spend all my time defending him, so everyone knew I was a massive MJ fan. And there was this one guy who bullied me about it. Calling me every name in the book and did the same to MJ. He wasn't just bullying me, he was stalking me. Every time I wrote something on the forum, also about something else other than MJ, he was there with a comment calling me an insane bitch and what not. He was really a true MJ hater. I just ignored him, because why should I care what some jerk on the internet says to me that I don't even know. The only thing that bothered me, was that he got away with it. Anyway, the day MJ died, he send me a private message saying how sorry he was that MJ had died and he was a genius and he would miss him. I simply wrote back to him: Go to hell It's one thing to dislike a celebrity for whatever reason, but I never understood it when it is THIS intense hate. Stalking people over it? Or those Internet haters who run that horrible website and for years or even decades now they have been pursuing MJ-hate as a hobby. I am kind of intrigued by this behaviour and what might be behind it psychologically. I suspect it to be similar to viciously homophobic people who are secretly gay. MJ maybe ignites something in these people that they are fighting. I don't mean they are sexually attracted to him. That wasn't why I used the gay homophobes comparition. But when something or someone generates such an intense response in someone it is more about something going on inside of them than anything else IMO. Perhaps they are secretly fascinated by MJ but they are fighting it for whatever reason - eg. not wanting to be look "uncool" for it or something.
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Post by TonyR on Jun 3, 2018 19:34:31 GMT
Whilst his name will forever be slightly tinged by the allegations, I honestly think that very few people in real life think he was guilty.
I say on real life, as online you tend to get a few nutters who like to argue things for effect (moon landing was fake, McCartney died in 1960s etc.), but I canโt think of anyone post trial that really truly thinks he was guilty.
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