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Post by butterflies on Feb 28, 2020 4:04:34 GMT
This was my first mj album and I was super excited to get it for my birthday when I was a teenager. I had also gotten a Sony discman so the album went with me where I went and I would keep them in my mini backpack, along with another r&b or hip hop CD
I felt some of his best work was on this album but I donโt play it as much anymore though will revisit it soon upon reading this thread
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Post by TonyR on Nov 23, 2020 11:46:43 GMT
Does anybody feel a little conflicted about enjoying the HIStory album bearing in mind its roots are firmly planted in all the pain & misery that MJ was going through?
I know TDCAU started life before then, but Scream, Stranger in Moscow, TTA, DS, Money etc. plus Tabloid Junkie, Childhood & Smile - make HIStory the most painful, autobiographical concept album he ever did. Even more so if you include the BOTDF tracks which many of us see as a Chapter 2 on HIStory.
The album ranks amongst his best works to most of us I think and yet I guess all of us would happily have lost the opportunity to enjoy these tracks for what may have been if the events of '93 not happened.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 11:49:35 GMT
Does anybody feel a little conflicted about enjoying the HIStory album bearing in mind its roots are firmly planted in all the pain & misery that MJ was going through? I know TDCAU started life before then, but Scream, Stranger in Moscow, TTA, DS, Money etc. plus Tabloid Junkie, Childhood & Smile - make HIStory the most painful, autobiographical concept album he ever did. Even more so if you include the BOTDF tracks which many of us see as a Chapter 2 on HIStory. The album ranks amongst his best works to most of us I think and yet I guess all of us would happily have lost the opportunity to enjoy these tracks for what may have been if the events of '93 not happened. The very slightest bit. I'm much more appreciative of how he turned the worst thing in the world into a masterpiece, and I find that very inspirational. Same goes for albums like Innuendo, Low, Station to Station. Turning a negative into something beautiful is very motivating and inspirational.
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Post by TonyR on Nov 23, 2020 12:22:09 GMT
Does anybody feel a little conflicted about enjoying the HIStory album bearing in mind its roots are firmly planted in all the pain & misery that MJ was going through? I know TDCAU started life before then, but Scream, Stranger in Moscow, TTA, DS, Money etc. plus Tabloid Junkie, Childhood & Smile - make HIStory the most painful, autobiographical concept album he ever did. Even more so if you include the BOTDF tracks which many of us see as a Chapter 2 on HIStory. The album ranks amongst his best works to most of us I think and yet I guess all of us would happily have lost the opportunity to enjoy these tracks for what may have been if the events of '93 not happened. The very slightest bit. I'm much more appreciative of how he turned the worst thing in the world into a masterpiece, and I find that very inspirational. Same goes for albums like Innuendo, Low, Station to Station. Turning a negative into something beautiful is very motivating and inspirational. 100%. I love the fact that we have an autobiographical album & also one that fully answers the allegations. Like I've said before, if you want a true insight into Michael Jackson's head then listen to this album, it's more revealing than any interview. It's more than an album in that respect, it's a proper moment in time concept album. I was listening to some Amy Winehouse earlier & Back to Black is the opposite in a way, it's giving clues as to how fragile she was and the tragedy of what was to come, rather than in Michael's case, what had been.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 12:27:40 GMT
The very slightest bit. I'm much more appreciative of how he turned the worst thing in the world into a masterpiece, and I find that very inspirational. Same goes for albums like Innuendo, Low, Station to Station. Turning a negative into something beautiful is very motivating and inspirational. 100%. I love the fact that we have an autobiographical album & also one that fully answers the allegations. Like I've said before, if you want a true insight into Michael Jackson's head then listen to this album, it's more revealing than any interview. It's more than an album in that respect, it's a proper moment in time concept album. I was listening to some Amy Winehouse earlier & Back to Black is the opposite in a way, it's giving clues as to how fragile she was and the tragedy of what was to come, rather than in Michael's case, what had been. I see your Back to Black and I raise you Closer by Joy Division. But yeah, those kind of albums I do find very hard, but equally rewarding to listen to. I find Rehab to be a tough listen, for such an upbeat song. Whereas Twentyfour Hours is my favourite Joy Division song, but I find it as just as upsetting as I do magnificent. It's such unadulterated darkness that gives no answers, that whole album.
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Post by TonyR on Nov 23, 2020 12:36:05 GMT
100%. I love the fact that we have an autobiographical album & also one that fully answers the allegations. Like I've said before, if you want a true insight into Michael Jackson's head then listen to this album, it's more revealing than any interview. It's more than an album in that respect, it's a proper moment in time concept album. I was listening to some Amy Winehouse earlier & Back to Black is the opposite in a way, it's giving clues as to how fragile she was and the tragedy of what was to come, rather than in Michael's case, what had been. I see your Back to Black and I raise you Closer by Joy Division. But yeah, those kind of albums I do find very hard, but equally rewarding to listen to. I find Rehab to be a tough listen, for such an upbeat song. Whereas Twentyfour Hours is my favourite Joy Division song, but I find it as just as upsetting as I do magnificent. It's such unadulterated darkness that gives no answers, that whole album. Indeed. I don't know enough about Joy Division as I should. As much I (rightly) give Invincible grief about it being very MJ-lite, I do like the fact that he finished his studio career on a more carefree, r&b, pop album more akin to Off The Wall than HIStory. Privacy & Unbreakable aside it's a very untroubled & relaxed album. Aesthetically as well, gone is any darkness that the Dangerous & HIStory album art had, and the booklet has no hidden meanings or artwork.
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Post by WildStyle on Nov 23, 2020 12:40:36 GMT
Does anybody feel a little conflicted about enjoying the HIStory album bearing in mind its roots are firmly planted in all the pain & misery that MJ was going through? I know TDCAU started life before then, but Scream, Stranger in Moscow, TTA, DS, Money etc. plus Tabloid Junkie, Childhood & Smile - make HIStory the most painful, autobiographical concept album he ever did. Even more so if you include the BOTDF tracks which many of us see as a Chapter 2 on HIStory. The album ranks amongst his best works to most of us I think and yet I guess all of us would happily have lost the opportunity to enjoy these tracks for what may have been if the events of '93 not happened. Not at all. Obviously we'd all prefer the events '93 didn't happen but they did and there's no changing that. The fact that he was able to document how he felt about the allegations is a great thing and I'm glad it exists. He expresses the sadness, pain, loneliness and anger of it all, but I think the prevailing feeling he puts across is defiance. It gives me strength to hear him fight back and tell the world "you're not going to change me and you're not going to break me". I'm glad that he had the outlet of his music to express everything he was feeling and I'm proud of him for being so fearless and creating such great art out of such a shit experience.
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Post by WildStyle on Nov 23, 2020 12:42:35 GMT
I see your Back to Black and I raise you Closer by Joy Division. But yeah, those kind of albums I do find very hard, but equally rewarding to listen to. I find Rehab to be a tough listen, for such an upbeat song. Whereas Twentyfour Hours is my favourite Joy Division song, but I find it as just as upsetting as I do magnificent. It's such unadulterated darkness that gives no answers, that whole album. Indeed. I don't know enough about Joy Division as I should. As much I (rightly) give Invincible grief about it being very MJ-lite, I do like the fact that he finished his studio career on a more carefree, r&b, pop album more akin to Off The Wall than HIStory. Privacy & Unbreakable aside it's a very untroubled & relaxed album. Aesthetically as well, gone is any darkness that the Dangerous & HIStory album art had, and the booklet has no hidden meanings or artwork.It did have that piece of shit artwork by that fraud Uri Geller though ๐ค
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Post by TonyR on Nov 23, 2020 12:52:19 GMT
Does anybody feel a little conflicted about enjoying the HIStory album bearing in mind its roots are firmly planted in all the pain & misery that MJ was going through? I know TDCAU started life before then, but Scream, Stranger in Moscow, TTA, DS, Money etc. plus Tabloid Junkie, Childhood & Smile - make HIStory the most painful, autobiographical concept album he ever did. Even more so if you include the BOTDF tracks which many of us see as a Chapter 2 on HIStory. The album ranks amongst his best works to most of us I think and yet I guess all of us would happily have lost the opportunity to enjoy these tracks for what may have been if the events of '93 not happened. Not at all. Obviously we'd all prefer the events '93 didn't happen but they did and there's no changing that. The fact that he was able to document how he felt about the allegations is a great thing and I'm glad it exists. He expresses the sadness, pain, loneliness and anger of it all, but I think the prevailing feeling he puts across is defiance. It gives me strength to hear him fight back and tell the world "you're not going to change me and you're not going to break me". I'm glad that he had the outlet of his music to express everything he was feeling and I'm proud of him for being so fearless and creating such great art out of such a shit experience. Very true. I remember listening it on day of release and couldn't believe the hurt, pain & vitriol on there. I was simultaneously proud, heartbroken & even more convinced of his innocence. But overriding all those emotions was the funk, rhythm and amazement at how good these songs. How it had taken the greatness of Dangerous, matched it & in some cases elevated it even further.
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Post by Michaels Lover on Nov 23, 2020 12:53:03 GMT
This was my first mj album and I was super excited to get it for my birthday when I was a teenager. I had also gotten a Sony discman so the album went with me where I went and I would keep them in my mini backpack, along with another r&b or hip hop CD I felt some of his best work was on this album but I donโt play it as much anymore though will revisit it soon upon reading this thread It was my first album as a fan, and I remember I was so excited to get it. I went out and bought every single different newspaper to read all the reviews, in the morning, because I couldn't wait for the music stores to open so I could go and buy it
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Post by MattyJam on Nov 23, 2020 13:11:53 GMT
As much I (rightly) give Invincible grief about it being very MJ-lite, I do like the fact that he finished his studio career on a more carefree, r&b, pop album more akin to Off The Wall than HIStory. Privacy & Unbreakable aside it's a very untroubled & relaxed album. That's part of why I find Invincible such a joy. It'll never be as good as HIStory, but I appreciate it's simplicity. I rank HIStory as his number one album, but I listen to Invincible, Bad and Thriller more, simply because I don't want to get the razors out on a daily basis.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 14:03:08 GMT
As much I (rightly) give Invincible grief about it being very MJ-lite, I do like the fact that he finished his studio career on a more carefree, r&b, pop album more akin to Off The Wall than HIStory. Privacy & Unbreakable aside it's a very untroubled & relaxed album. That's part of why I find Invincible such a joy. It'll never be as good as HIStory, but I appreciate it's simplicity. I rank HIStory as his number one album, but I listen to Invincible, Bad and Thriller more, simply because I don't want to get the razors out on a daily basis. For this reason Bad is the only album in my top 5 that isn't heavy subject-wise. It's pure escapism. A movie for the mind.
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Post by butterflies on Nov 23, 2020 15:36:16 GMT
This was my first mj album and I was super excited to get it for my birthday when I was a teenager. I had also gotten a Sony discman so the album went with me where I went and I would keep them in my mini backpack, along with another r&b or hip hop CD I felt some of his best work was on this album but I donโt play it as much anymore though will revisit it soon upon reading this thread It was my first album as a fan, and I remember I was so excited to get it. I went out and bought every single different newspaper to read all the reviews, in the morning, because I couldn't wait for the music stores to open so I could go and buy it Was also my first mj album, got it for my birthday
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Post by respect77 on Nov 23, 2020 18:04:26 GMT
Does anybody feel a little conflicted about enjoying the HIStory album bearing in mind its roots are firmly planted in all the pain & misery that MJ was going through? I know TDCAU started life before then, but Scream, Stranger in Moscow, TTA, DS, Money etc. plus Tabloid Junkie, Childhood & Smile - make HIStory the most painful, autobiographical concept album he ever did. Even more so if you include the BOTDF tracks which many of us see as a Chapter 2 on HIStory. The album ranks amongst his best works to most of us I think and yet I guess all of us would happily have lost the opportunity to enjoy these tracks for what may have been if the events of '93 not happened. I sure wish the reason this album exists wouldn't exist, but then it resulted in an amazing artistic response and a testament to his innocence. It's like David Bowie's last album or like the Show Must Go On in that regard. I wonder though what MJ's direction would have been without the allegations. TDCAU and Earth Song would still exist.
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Post by TonyR on Nov 23, 2020 18:20:21 GMT
Does anybody feel a little conflicted about enjoying the HIStory album bearing in mind its roots are firmly planted in all the pain & misery that MJ was going through? I know TDCAU started life before then, but Scream, Stranger in Moscow, TTA, DS, Money etc. plus Tabloid Junkie, Childhood & Smile - make HIStory the most painful, autobiographical concept album he ever did. Even more so if you include the BOTDF tracks which many of us see as a Chapter 2 on HIStory. The album ranks amongst his best works to most of us I think and yet I guess all of us would happily have lost the opportunity to enjoy these tracks for what may have been if the events of '93 not happened. I sure wish the reason this album exists wouldn't exist, but then it resulted in an amazing artistic response and a testament to his innocence. It's like David Bowie's last album or like the Show Must Go On in that regard. I wonder though what MJ's direction would have been without the allegations. TDCAU and Earth Song would still exist. I wonder if TDCAU would have made it onto a non HIStory album. It fits perfectly amongst the anger of its HIStory brothers but I can't imagine it on Bad or Invincible for example.
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