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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 13:58:46 GMT
I just really dislike Paul McCartney, not only as an artist, but also as a human being. I never forgot the footage from the day John was murdered, when Paul was asked how he felt about it by a reporter and all he said was "it's a drag." A drag? Going to work on a Monday morning is a drag. The assassination of your once best friend and fellow bandmate is not a drag, it's a horrific, senseless tragedy. What kind of person would say that? I can only hope that Paul chose his words poorly on that day and was still in shock, because otherwise it really doesn't come across well. I've seen the footage you're talking about and I didn't get the impression he was being disrespectful or flippant about John's murder at all. What was he meant to do? Collapse in a heap on the floor and break down in tears just to prove his anguish to the reporter? Paul is a very English kinda guy, and us Brits aren't known for outward displays of maudlin emotion, but Paul would've been heartbroken, that much is certain.
It's a bit harsh to sum up someones entire personality on one comment from nearly 40 years ago. I'm not a huge Beatles fan, was always more a Stones guy myself, but to dismiss the talent of Paul McCartney really just highlights your own ignorance on musical culture.
He captured how he felt perfectly with "Here Today" a few years later on the Tug Of War album. Gorgeous song. A perfect tribute. Perfect.
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Post by HIStoric on Aug 8, 2018 20:04:44 GMT
He captured how he felt perfectly with "Here Today" a few years later on the Tug Of War album. Gorgeous song. A perfect tribute. Perfect. Those are the words people should judge him by when it comes to what happened to John.
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Post by Russg on Aug 9, 2018 6:19:37 GMT
I just really dislike Paul McCartney, not only as an artist, but also as a human being. I never forgot the footage from the day John was murdered, when Paul was asked how he felt about it by a reporter and all he said was "it's a drag." A drag? Going to work on a Monday morning is a drag. The assassination of your once best friend and fellow bandmate is not a drag, it's a horrific, senseless tragedy. What kind of person would say that? I can only hope that Paul chose his words poorly on that day and was still in shock, because otherwise it really doesn't come across well. You should really re-evaluate how you perceived that comment! I think it was always clear that Paul was in shock, and wasn't prepared, or ready yet to put into words what had happened. I sincerely hope you dislike Paul's music because you simply don't like his songs, and not because of how you read into the comment he made after John's death!
I am not fussed on his music either. All the cool Beatles songs were done by John while Paul made the "granny music" (John's words, not mine). John was cool, intelligent, anti-establishment, creative, avant garde... Paul was the opposite of all of that. He is essentially the original Gary Barlow.
My low opinion of him as a person isn't solely based on his reaction to John's death (although I stand by my assertion that he showed his true colours that day). I also think he was a little bitch to MJ when he was too cheap to pony up the money for the Beatles catalogue, which he could more than afford at the time.
He also had no qualms going back on his refusal for a knighthood once John had died, which shows a lot about the kind of person he is.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2018 6:32:52 GMT
You should really re-evaluate how you perceived that comment! I think it was always clear that Paul was in shock, and wasn't prepared, or ready yet to put into words what had happened. I sincerely hope you dislike Paul's music because you simply don't like his songs, and not because of how you read into the comment he made after John's death!
I am not fussed on his music either. All the cool Beatles songs were done by John while Paul made the "granny music" (John's words, not mine). John was cool, intelligent, anti-establishment, creative, avant garde... Paul was the opposite of all of that. He is essentially the original Gary Barlow.
My low opinion of him as a person isn't solely based on his reaction to John's death (although I stand by my assertion that he showed his true colours that day). I also think he was a little bitch to MJ when he was too cheap to pony up the money for the Beatles catalogue, which he could more than afford at the time.
He also had no qualms going back on his refusal for a knighthood once John had died, which shows a lot about the kind of person he is.
Ok fair enough! However, I hope you are aware that John Lennon was actually possibly the biggest prick on the planet. He used beat his first wife, and emotionally abused his son Julian for pretty much most of his life. John had the "cooler" songs, I genuinely agree, but John Lennon as a man was a horrible piece of shit who sang songs like All You Need Is Love and Imagine but knocked 7 shades of shit out of Cynthia. Love his music, and he wrote my favourite Beatles tune (Strawberry Fields) but the guy actually was an horrific wanker for most of his life. Not much between him and Chris Brown.
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Post by respect77 on Aug 9, 2018 6:53:15 GMT
I am not fussed on his music either. All the cool Beatles songs were done by John while Paul made the "granny music" (John's words, not mine). John was cool, intelligent, anti-establishment, creative, avant garde... Paul was the opposite of all of that. He is essentially the original Gary Barlow.
My low opinion of him as a person isn't solely based on his reaction to John's death (although I stand by my assertion that he showed his true colours that day). I also think he was a little bitch to MJ when he was too cheap to pony up the money for the Beatles catalogue, which he could more than afford at the time.
He also had no qualms going back on his refusal for a knighthood once John had died, which shows a lot about the kind of person he is.
Ok fair enough! However, I hope you are aware that John Lennon was actually possibly the biggest prick on the planet. He used beat his first wife, and emotionally abused his son Julian for pretty much most of his life. John had the "cooler" songs, I genuinely agree, but John Lennon as a man was a horrible piece of shit who sang songs like All You Need Is Love and Imagine but knocked 7 shades of shit out of Cynthia. Love his music, and he wrote my favourite Beatles tune (Strawberry Fields) but the guy actually was an horrific wanker for most of his life. Not much between him and Chris Brown. I remember I once read an interview with his son, Julian. It wasn't nice. John Lennon was a hypocrite with the whole "All You Need Is Love" image. Actually, I think Julian called him just that in the interview: a hypocrite.
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Post by HIStoric on Aug 9, 2018 8:04:32 GMT
My low opinion of him as a person isn't solely based on his reaction to John's death (although I stand by my assertion that he showed his true colours that day). Honestly that says far more about you than it does with Paul, and makes you come across as someone who hasn't a clue what they're talking about.
It's also really great to finally come across someone who has never ever misspoken in their life, someone who has always perfectly articulated exactly what they meant.
He also had no qualms going back on his refusal for a knighthood once John had died, which shows a lot about the kind of person he is. AFAIK Paul never turned down a knighthood. They all got MBEs in 1965, however John returned his in protest of his country's involvement in the Vietnam War (and, jokingly, because his song Cold Turkey "slipped down the charts"). Paul never returned his nor refused to be knighted AFAIK so I'm not sure where you're getting that.
But even then, let's say he did. Why does it matter at all? Is he meant to be bound against accepting a knighthood for life, because his best friend would've?
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Post by HIStoric on Aug 9, 2018 10:04:04 GMT
Ok fair enough! However, I hope you are aware that John Lennon was actually possibly the biggest prick on the planet. He used beat his first wife, and emotionally abused his son Julian for pretty much most of his life. John had the "cooler" songs, I genuinely agree, but John Lennon as a man was a horrible piece of shit who sang songs like All You Need Is Love and Imagine but knocked 7 shades of shit out of Cynthia. Love his music, and he wrote my favourite Beatles tune (Strawberry Fields) but the guy actually was an horrific wanker for most of his life. Not much between him and Chris Brown.Yeah, John could be quite a complete wanker when he was younger and he was an abysmal father to Julian, but there is a stark difference between him and Chris Brown. John Lennon made a long term effect to change himself and for the better. Chris Brown hasn't.
Alongside severely beating Rihanna in an extended and extremely violent altercation, he has continued to remain a violent individual. In 2011 for example when asked about restraining orders against Rihanna, he got violent in his dressing room, throwing objects around - including a chair at the window (which thankfully didn't go through because this was right above Times Square), taking his shirt off he continued to get into many aggressive, loud confrontations with producers, security and crew members at the studio before finally leaving. Hell, just a few weeks ago he was literally arrested again for felony assault. It's been nearly 10 years since he beat Rihanna to a pulp, and we can see he still isn't that better of a man.
John Lennon is also well known for having hit his girlfriend (later wife), an act he should rightfully be criticized for. Alongside this he was also quite aggressive in his youth too - getting into physical altercations with both men and women fairly often. There is this common misconception however that he regularly bet Cynthia on the regular, which simply isn't true. Here's what really happened: In the late 1950s, John and his girlfriend - later wife - Cynthia were in a serious argument at a party that culminated in John slapping her, which caused her head to hit a pipe that was right behind her. John was immediately remorseful, Cynthia wasn't having it and she broke up with him for 3 months. John kept calling her up to apologise and only after those 3 months did they start talking again, which led to further romance and eventual marriage. After that incident at the party, John never ever hit her again. Not once. Cynthia herself has confirmed this on many occasions - hell here's a link to them all discussing it on separate occasions. John never ever hit Yoko either, and despite being asked about it Yoko always denied. While both acts are abhorrent, the attack on Rihanna was far, far, far worse as you can read in detail here.
John's violent tendencies culminated a couple years later at the age of 23, when at Paul's 21st, John beat the shit out of someone who accused him of having a homosexual affair with their openly-gay manager, subsequently sending him to a hospital. This was around the time The Beatles were starting to get big in Britain, and obviously this wasn't a good look for him. John soon apologized to the man (who accepted) and following this, John severely curbed his alcoholic intake. Not that he stopped drinking entirely, but he drunk much less that he never got violent again, until 11 years later when shortly after his break up with Yoko, he, Ringo, Harry Nilsson, Keith Moon, and others were kicked out of a bar for being drunk and loud. Some paparazzi outside tried to take photos of them, causing John to swing at them and miss. That was the last time John got physical with someone.
Throughout the 1960s and 1970s, John made a real effort to improve himself as a person. Alongside curbing the alcohol to stop his violent tendencies, he then further began using his influential position to not only spread words of peace and love, but raise awareness to inequality and specifically how women were treated as inferior to men - something quite uncommon in those days especially from male artists. "Woman is the Nigger of the World" is just one song that comes to mind. A song with a very controversial title, it raises many good points about the hypocrisies men show towards women; how many cultures over the world continued to treat them as inferior (the title comparing this to how white people treated black people). John never shied away from his violent past and was in fact very honest about it - literally the only reason we know about these incidents is because he openly admitted them in many interviews, and in his work too - see 'Getting Better'. Further so, he put his entire music career on hold to become a house-husband for his family, apparently even quitting drugs in the late 1970s to further be a better influence.
Let us make no mistake, I'm not saying he became this perfect man who did no wrong (just ask Julian). John Lennon was an extremely flawed person who made a great deal of wrong choices, choices that he can and should rightfully be criticised for, but he also went to real efforts to change himself for the better. Because of this, while I hate the acts he committed, I have to admire him for making that change. He's someone that shows that no matter how flawed you are or have been, with proper dedication you can change yourself as a person - and going back to the subject of Chris Brown, I think it'd do a lot of good for him to take a page out of John's book to see how he dealt with it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2018 10:11:13 GMT
^ Yeah, I guess you are right. It just irks me how a lot of the time I see one of these #metoo lobbyers* sharing imagine or a Beatles song, and not knowing the crippling irony.
*Not criticising the #metoo thing, but the majority of dopes have definitely tainted it's real meaning
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Post by HIStoric on Aug 9, 2018 10:22:27 GMT
^ Yeah, I guess you are right. It just irks me how a lot of the time I see one of these #metoo lobbyers* sharing imagine or a Beatles song, and not knowing the crippling irony. *Not criticising the #metoo thing, but the majority of dopes have definitely tainted it's real meaning I see what you mean, but I don't think John's past actions cancel out the meaning of The Beatles songs (or his later solo songs).
If he was writing "Imagine" then putting the pencil down to go beat up Yoko in the next room over, sure I'd agree with you, but I don't think there's that much irony since those songs about peace, inequality etc were written years after he begun making efforts to change himself.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2018 23:43:52 GMT
^ Yeah, I guess you are right. It just irks me how a lot of the time I see one of these #metoo lobbyers* sharing imagine or a Beatles song, and not knowing the crippling irony. *Not criticising the #metoo thing, but the majority of dopes have definitely tainted it's real meaning I see what you mean, but I don't think John's past actions cancel out the meaning of The Beatles songs (or his later solo songs).
If he was writing "Imagine" then putting the pencil down to go beat up Yoko in the next room over, sure I'd agree with you, but I don't think there's that much irony since those songs about peace, inequality etc were written years after he begun making efforts to change himself.
It's definietly a tough one, and one that comes down to what your perception of the crime or act was. Lennon the Beatle/Songwriter is almost second to none for me. As a person, he was a prick. HASHTAG TEAM MACA #WINGS
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Post by Russg on Sept 15, 2018 7:29:22 GMT
Another example of Paul's douchebaggery. Who wants to hear this shit? The man has children and grandchildren... did he stop to think about that before spouting off his senile memories of debauchery? And does he really think John's kids and grandkids want to hear stories like this? He's becoming like Quincy - an embarrassment.
Paul McCartney: That Time John Lennon Mentioned Winston Churchill While We Were Masturbating Together "Yeah, it's quite raunchy when you think about it."
During his recent chat with GQ, The Beatles legend Sir Paul McCartney reflected on some fun times he had with his bandmate John Lennon and three other guys who were Lennon's friends. You can read an excerpt from the interview below:
"What it was was over at John's house, and it was just a group of us. And instead of just getting roaring drunk and partying—I don't even know if we were staying over or anything—we were all just in these chairs, and the lights were out, and somebody started masturbating, so we all did.
"We were just, 'Brigitte Bardot!' 'Whoo!' and then everyone would thrash a bit more."«
However, things got in a bit of a different direction at one point. Paul said:
"I think it was John sort of said, 'Winston Churchill!'"«
When asked if they ever did this more than once, Paul answered:
"I think it was a one-off. Or maybe it was like a two-off. It wasn't a big thing. But, you know, it was just the kind of thing you didn't think much of. It was just a group. Yeah, it's quite raunchy when you think about it.
"There's so many things like that from when you're a kid that you look back on and you're, 'Did we do that?' But it was good harmless fun. It didn't hurt anyone. Not even Brigitte Bardot."«
The same story was also mentioned in his 1997 autobiography "Many Years From Now."
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Post by HIStoric on Sept 15, 2018 8:13:22 GMT
Another example of Paul's douchebaggery. Who wants to hear this shit? The man has children and grandchildren... did he stop to think about that before spouting off his senile memories of debauchery? And does he really think John's kids and grandkids want to hear stories like this? He's becoming like Quincy - an embarrassment. "Who wants to hear this shit?"
*proceeds to go out of his way to share it with even more people*
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Post by HIStoric on Sept 15, 2018 8:39:27 GMT
Also while I'm here (because I forgot we had a Paul McCartney thread haha), I really urge people to check out his new album Egypt Station! I've had it on repeat this past week and it's great, really grown onto me in that time. I'd say my favourite tracks are currently Come On To Me, I Don't Know, Happy With You, Who Cares, Dominoes, Back in Brazil, Caesar Rock and Despite Repeated Warnings too. Fuh You isn't bad... but it steps away from the rest of the album by feeling unusually generic, like any old 2018 pop song. It grows on you a bit but in all honesty I could see any modern pop star singing it.
Despite Repeated Warnings is a great track that's reminiscent of Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey or Band on the Run in the sense it changes stylistically throughout. It's a song about climate change, or more specifically, how certain world leaders aren't doing anything to combat what is so obviously happening. Paul confirmed that Trump was heavy on his mind too, and my favourite part is @ 2:30 when the song suddenly changes to an upbeat, acoustic like part where he then sings "How can we stop him? Grab the keys and lock him up!, which I just love especially with all the investigations facing Trump and his associates right now.
Unfortunately Paul's voice has deteriorated these past few years but the great thing is he knows where his voice shines and where it doesn't now. He doesn't pretend he's 21 anymore so he never tries to push his voice beyond it's limits. In fact there are times he even uses it to his advantage, like I Don't Know, where his older voice adds a tint of further 'wise-ness' and melancholy too. Reminds me of the effect Johnny Cash's older voice had on his final album.
Yet in saying that, he doesn't allow it to bog the album down because he still manages to feel upbeat and youthful at times, like on songs such as Come On To Me or Caesar Rock that make you wanna rock, with many "WOOOOs" interspersed throughout the album! Come On To Me is one of those songs where I can't help to sing along loudly when it comes on in the car. Then you have tracks like Back in Brazil where he's experimenting with new sounds and instruments still. That track seems to have divided the fanbase a bit when it first came out so I expected something meh when I first played it, but it pleasantly surprised me and became one of the first tracks that grabbed me.
It's great to see someone who's been making music for so long still having fun with it, still trying out new things and still coming up with original tunes that get stuck in your head.
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Post by mjjfan810 on Sept 24, 2018 6:44:40 GMT
Another example of Paul's douchebaggery. Who wants to hear this shit? The man has children and grandchildren... did he stop to think about that before spouting off his senile memories of debauchery? And does he really think John's kids and grandkids want to hear stories like this? He's becoming like Quincy - an embarrassment. "Who wants to hear this shit?"
*proceeds to go out of his way to share it with even more people* Gotta love this headline:
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Post by HIStoric on Sept 24, 2018 7:19:32 GMT
"Who wants to hear this shit?"
*proceeds to go out of his way to share it with even more people* Gotta love this headline: LOL I saw that! 😂 I believe they took it off someone on Reddit or Twitter (least I saw the joke on there before that was published).
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