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Post by mjjfan810 on Aug 5, 2017 17:17:45 GMT
I saw this being debated on another forum and personally I think it's political correctness gone mad. What do you reckon?
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Post by Russg on Aug 5, 2017 17:27:52 GMT
Yeah, I think cultural appropriation is just another example of Generation Snowflake. I don't even think the notion of cultural appropriation is a real thing.
Why should I feel shame for getting to choose who I want to be, what I want to wear, what music I listen to, what food I want to eat, which ideology I want to subscribe etc? I should be able to eat Chinese food, wearing a Kimono while reading the Koran and growing dreadlocks. That is my right as a citizen of a globalized world.
Anybody who tells me that is "white privilege" can suck it.
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Post by Liberian Girl on Aug 5, 2017 20:34:00 GMT
Totally agree with you, Mjjfan810. Political correctness gone made
Can't believe how easily people get offended. There's so many awful things going on in this world, yet it's almost like people are picking at things to get mad at.
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Post by mjjfan810 on Aug 5, 2017 20:50:52 GMT
Good job I didn't post this over at Lipstick Alley. lol
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Post by MattyJam on Aug 7, 2017 3:19:14 GMT
The trouble is, when people start saying that a white girl dressing up as a geisha is damaging and insensitive to Japanese culture, it has its own racist implications, that being that everything Japanese, for instance, is inextricably tied to that culture's existence as a disenfranchised community in relation to the oppressive white culture.
Sometimes a cultural song, outfit, food, etc. is just a unique song, outfit, food and doesn't need to be viewed in relation to inequality.
As long as someone isn't actively trying to be offensive, appreciating another person's culture is a GOOD thing.
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Post by moonstruck87 on Aug 8, 2017 12:01:24 GMT
When I first heard about Cultural Appropriation, my thought was: "Oh no, even more ways to do things wrong and be offensive now when in a cultural dialogue." It just came out of nowhere for me. Also, I haven´t heard much about it here in Germany.
It sounds like it could do more damage to intercultural exchange than good. Asia, for example, is very much respected where I live, and it seems more honourable than derogatory if I tried on a Japanese women´s gown.
... or sing an Ella Fitzgerald song in my voice class. ... or take a part of a traditional gospel song to improvise over it.
To me it is just beautiful and I do not feel like stealing anything.
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Post by respect77 on Aug 8, 2017 13:45:49 GMT
This thread reminds me of this video. Some people definitely take this too far.
I think there are legit cases of cultural appropriation but just wearing stuff that originally comes from another culture, race, nation is not that. Especially because each and every nation, culture and race does that and have done that all through history. Cultures influence each other. That's totally natural.
A real case of cultural appropriation, when it does become a problem is for example, when there is a white artist taking black music and becoming a lot more popular with it than the often lot more creative originators - just because he is white. It did happen many times in popular music history.
Other than that I couldn't care less who wears what and I think the regressive left takes it way too far these days.
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Post by LindavG on Aug 8, 2017 22:39:23 GMT
^ I think everyone needs to calm down a bit. I watched the video and there was no "assault" like the title suggests but that lady was out of line questioning the guy's hairstyle like that. Imagine if white people started harrassing other races in public for dying their hair blonde or red - after all, there are plenty of negative stereotypes associated with blonde or red hair and one might argue that choosing to dye your hair in that colour as a fashion statement is exploitative and appropriative since you won't have to deal with the backlash that natural blondes or redheads have to. Like Respect77 said, there are examples of genuine cultural appropriation but these days it's applied far too broadly and unilaterally. It seems like some people are really looking for things to be offended about and see racism in anything that involves white people showing an interest in other cultures. This is a prime example of how silly it can get: www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/32038/1/lena-dunham-supports-that-sushi-is-cultural-appropriation Apparently serving sushi in an "inauthentic" way is cultural appropriation. I wonder if these students know that Italians don't put pineapple on their pizza, French people don't serve their fries with ketchup and "Russian dressing" was invented in New Hampshire? So yes, my vote is that with few exceptions, cultural appropriation is PC gone mad It does seems to be an American thing though. I have literally never heard anyone speaking about this where I live, in fact I don't even know the equivalent term for "cultural appropriation" in my language. It's amusing from a distance
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Post by moonstruck87 on Aug 9, 2017 7:22:42 GMT
^^^
"It does seems to be an American thing though. I have literally never heard anyone speaking about this where I live, in fact I don't even know the equivalent term for "cultural appropriation" in my language."
THIS!
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Post by respect77 on Aug 9, 2017 10:09:09 GMT
It seems like some people are really looking for things to be offended about and see racism in anything that involves white people showing an interest in other cultures. Yes, and I think these kind of phenomenons have the effect of cultural isolation and separationist tendencies. I mean white people are only supposed to do "white things", black people are only supposed to do "black things", Asians are only supposed to do "Asian things" etc. That's the effect it will have if we start walking on egg shells re. this cultural appropriation nonsense. Cultures influencing each other, borrowing from each other is not a bad thing. And BTW it happens in all directions, not only in one. Did MJ commit "cultural appropriation" when he used Beethoven's music in Will You Be There? After all that kind of classical music is very much European. Did he commit "cultural appropriation" when dressing up like this? I never heard about the Japanese having any issues with this. I certainly would not have any problems with it if someone from another country dressed up in the traditional clothes of my country. I'd probably take it as a kind of admiration, not offence. Of course, there are contexts when it can be in a mocking way and that's another issue. But if someone just dresses up like that: who cares? It does seem to be a USA thing where people these days seem to be always looking for reasons to be "offended" about something. Now they are even monitoring what people wear at fancy balls and God forbid if someone dresses up like a person of another country/culture. Put on a Mexican hat and you are going to be accused of "cultural appropriation" and being a racist - it is crazy.
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Post by jaywonder on Aug 9, 2017 10:29:52 GMT
I think it depends on the situation. Dressing in traditional garments or taking part in culture events is always cool, especially since it expands people's horizons to new things. IMO it becomes an issue when it's obviously not about respect or appreciation, but as a joke such as stereotypes like outfits for Halloween. As long as respect is involved, it's cool .....but then you have a situation like this LOL. This isn't cultural appropriation. It's being an idiot lol starcasm.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Martina_Adam_Martina_BIG_black_woman_rev.jpg
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Post by .♦♛Pink Diamond Princess♛♦. on Aug 9, 2017 12:43:59 GMT
I feel like it's a thing (it's complicated but it's a thing). I also feel like people should be careful and not call every little thing cultural appropriation because it takes importance away from when it really is happening.
Overall though, I think that cultural appropriation of any kind wouldn't even be heard of if everyone was truly equal and discrimination/prejudice didn't exist (or there were at least less of it). If everyone was equal and viewed as such then instead of appropriation it would simply be cultural sharing/exchange.
Lastly, I agree that it may be a mainly American thing. Hell, if I trace my own lineage back a few generations you have people that lived through/during Jim Crow.
TLDR: I think cultural appropriation is a (mainly American) thing but that people need to be careful with what they call cultural appropriation.
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Post by mistermaxxx08 on Sept 11, 2017 3:34:29 GMT
it happens all the time and Black Culture been Pimped, Marketed, Hustle and sold at all rates and sadly within the black Community.
when folks rock Black Face and market how they want to then its obvious WHite Privledge and Yeah America is very White Privledge and take and do what they want to do.
its a Institute within one and then some.
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Sept 17, 2017 19:13:05 GMT
Yeah, I think cultural appropriation is just another example of Generation Snowflake. I don't even think the notion of cultural appropriation is a real thing. Why should I feel shame for getting to choose who I want to be, what I want to wear, what music I listen to, what food I want to eat, which ideology I want to subscribe etc? I should be able to eat Chinese food, wearing a Kimono while reading the Koran and growing dreadlocks. That is my right as a citizen of a globalized world. Anybody who tells me that is "white privilege" can suck it. Pretty much this yeah.
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