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Post by SmoothGangsta on Jun 21, 2022 18:54:14 GMT
I find it incredibly strange that we're now saying the press used wacko jacko positively. It's one thing to say it's not racist but now we're just implying MJ was wrong for not liking being called mental.
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Post by pg13 on Jun 21, 2022 19:30:43 GMT
Wacko Jacko was pretty much a term of endearment here in Ireland. Wacko, because he was doing some odd things. Jacko, because his surname was Jackson. MJ was a sensitive man, so he would obviously hate it. If Frank Dileo had leaked those fake stories about any of my friends, and their second name happened to be Jackson, Wacko Jacko would be the perfect nickname. And they would accept it. This whole "racist" thing that spread among fans was really stupid. There was a period of time when "Wacko Jacko" was a term of endearment in the early days of its use across the British Isles. After all, we're well known for our love of oddballs and suchlike. Especially the British. Hence, the more traditional words like "barmy" being very common. But after a period of time, I think it did cease to be a term of endearment and became derogatory. It's hard to truly pin down when the shift occurred, but I think there's no doubt it was changing for the worse around 1992 and definitely in 1993 from August that year. It definitely had a different flavour in the 1980s compared to the 1990s. Jacko, on the other hand, continued to be used positively on its own as plenty of articles will attest. E.g. "Jacko-plosion!" from a New Zealand newspaper headline to describe spectacle of the HIStory tour.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2022 19:33:14 GMT
I find it incredibly strange that we're now saying the press used wacko jacko positively. It's one thing to say it's not racist but now we're just implying MJ was wrong for not liking being called mental. If you grew up in Ireland you'd understand. Most articles were positive until around 1999. After that it got particularly worse as our tabloids would be very like the UK. I wouldn't say he was wrong to not like it myself, but it would have been very interesting had he embraced it and tried to make light of it towards the end. But he did play a huge part in it by that nonsense of leaking fake stories for publicity. Hanging his baby out over a balcony killed any notion that the nickname was ever going to die or not be an insult, though.
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Post by TonyR on Jun 22, 2022 11:07:52 GMT
I find it incredibly strange that we're now saying the press used wacko jacko positively. It's one thing to say it's not racist but now we're just implying MJ was wrong for not liking being called mental. Hanging his baby out over a balcony killed any notion that the nickname was ever going to die or not be an insult, though. There is absolutely no need to bring that up.
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Post by Snow White on Jun 22, 2022 16:06:04 GMT
Have any of you who mentioned that nickname could be used positively considered that Michael could've known or seen the toy monkey named Jacko?
And even though we homo sapiens are primates, black people have been historically compared and depicted as monkeys in a racist and demeaning way, which includes to Michael himself because I distinctly remember a cartoon made by either The Sun or The Mirror of a monkey with Michael's type of hairstyle locked up in a cage screaming released in 1992 which was before the allegations or the incident with baby Blanket. I'd say he was viciously mocked and ridiculed ever since he bought that catalog.
I assume that's why he replied to Barbara Walters when she asked about the nickname that he was Jackson, he wasn't an animal.
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Post by pg13 on Jun 22, 2022 17:25:56 GMT
Have any of you who mentioned that nickname could be used positively considered that Michael could've known or seen the toy monkey named Jacko? And even though we homo sapiens are primates, black people have been historically compared and depicted as monkeys in a racist and demeaning way, which includes to Michael himself because I distinctly remember a cartoon made by either The Sun or The Mirror of a monkey with Michael's type of hairstyle locked up in a cage screaming released in 1992 which was before the allegations or the incident with baby Blanket. I'd say he was viciously mocked and ridiculed ever since he bought that catalog. I assume that's why he replied to Barbara Walters when she asked about the nickname that he was Jackson, he wasn't an animal. That is such a speculative, tenuous reasoning. The toy itself wasn't based on racism, but a long tailed monkey that belonged to British sailors who were known as "Jack Tars". Hence, the monkey was known as "Jack Of The Tars" and, shortened over time, Jacko. Much like how Halloween lanterns were known as Jack'o Lanterns - literally, Jack Of The Lanterns. It was a historically popular name for people and was also extended to donkeys, birds, dogs and various animals kept as pets. Jacko the donkey retired from a farm in England in 2015 and, in 1982, there was a children's storybook about "Jacko - The Hurricane Donkey". In 2021, a cockatoo bird known as Jacko was stolen from an Australian pet shop and later found. Certainly, a person named Jack or whose surname had Jack in it would be known as Jacko also. The golfer Tony Jacklin was known as Jacko, for example. Indeed, there's quite a lot of black people in various parts of the world who have Jacko in their name. Including in the United States where a man known by his nickname Jacko lived to be 103 - died maybe 3 years ago. In the Dominican Republic, an escaped slave believed to have originally been from Guinea is still commemorated today by his name - Chief Jacko. And the area where his camp was based is known as Jacko Flats. In the UK, Jamaican born Canadian professional footballer who played for Norwich City between 2010 and 2013 was known as "Wacko Jacko". I remember a headline for him was "Wacko Jacko Strikes Again!". He'd scored a screamer and his goals kept his team up in the league. And this is just a small snapshot of the history of the name Jacko I personally researched in 2012. I can also confirm there isn't a single linguist who takes seriously claims that "Jacko" has racist origins. It literally doesn't. Much like "crowbar" and "picnic" do not have racist origins. As for the cartoon drawing you're referring to, it was from the New Musical Express in 1991. It didn't actually depict an ape dressed like MJ, but was a depiction of MJ in a cage with a "Don't feed the wacko" sign. And his skin pulled tight by wire - a reference to plastics surgery. But not a monkey as you thought. And yes, that is in pretty bad taste. Yet that was just one publication. But it is NOT evidence that Jacko has racist origins OR that it has its roots in primates. The roots go far further back than a sailor's monkey or the Westminster fighting ape. The root is as a name for a man. Nothing else. You can take just about anything out of context in order to push an argument, but that argument must ultimately stand up on its own merits. Fortunately, there's far too much evidence historically that proves Jacko has no racist origins AND is a nickname for those whose surname is Jackson, Jackman, Jacklin and so on. You won't find a credible impartial history of racist terms including Jacko. I know because I looked years ago. Says it all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 11:19:54 GMT
Have any of you who mentioned that nickname could be used positively considered that Michael could've known or seen the toy monkey named Jacko? And even though we homo sapiens are primates, black people have been historically compared and depicted as monkeys in a racist and demeaning way, which includes to Michael himself because I distinctly remember a cartoon made by either The Sun or The Mirror of a monkey with Michael's type of hairstyle locked up in a cage screaming released in 1992 which was before the allegations or the incident with baby Blanket. I'd say he was viciously mocked and ridiculed ever since he bought that catalog. I assume that's why he replied to Barbara Walters when she asked about the nickname that he was Jackson, he wasn't an animal. That is such a speculative, tenuous reasoning. The toy itself wasn't based on racism, but a long tailed monkey that belonged to British sailors who were known as "Jack Tars". Hence, the monkey was known as "Jack Of The Tars" and, shortened over time, Jacko. Much like how Halloween lanterns were known as Jack'o Lanterns - literally, Jack Of The Lanterns. It was a historically popular name for people and was also extended to donkeys, birds, dogs and various animals kept as pets. Jacko the donkey retired from a farm in England in 2015 and, in 1982, there was a children's storybook about "Jacko - The Hurricane Donkey". In 2021, a cockatoo bird known as Jacko was stolen from an Australian pet shop and later found. Certainly, a person named Jack or whose surname had Jack in it would be known as Jacko also. The golfer Tony Jacklin was known as Jacko, for example. Indeed, there's quite a lot of black people in various parts of the world who have Jacko in their name. Including in the United States where a man known by his nickname Jacko lived to be 103 - died maybe 3 years ago. In the Dominican Republic, an escaped slave believed to have originally been from Guinea is still commemorated today by his name - Chief Jacko. And the area where his camp was based is known as Jacko Flats. In the UK, Jamaican born Canadian professional footballer who played for Norwich City between 2010 and 2013 was known as "Wacko Jacko". I remember a headline for him was "Wacko Jacko Strikes Again!". He'd scored a screamer and his goals kept his team up in the league. And this is just a small snapshot of the history of the name Jacko I personally researched in 2012. I can also confirm there isn't a single linguist who takes seriously claims that "Jacko" has racist origins. It literally doesn't. Much like "crowbar" and "picnic" do not have racist origins. As for the cartoon drawing you're referring to, it was from the New Musical Express in 1991. It didn't actually depict an ape dressed like MJ, but was a depiction of MJ in a cage with a "Don't feed the wacko" sign. And his skin pulled tight by wire - a reference to plastics surgery. But not a monkey as you thought. And yes, that is in pretty bad taste. Yet that was just one publication. But it is NOT evidence that Jacko has racist origins OR that it has its roots in primates. The roots go far further back than a sailor's monkey or the Westminster fighting ape. The root is as a name for a man. Nothing else. You can take just about anything out of context in order to push an argument, but that argument must ultimately stand up on its own merits. Fortunately, there's far too much evidence historically that proves Jacko has no racist origins AND is a nickname for those whose surname is Jackson, Jackman, Jacklin and so on. You won't find a credible impartial history of racist terms including Jacko. I know because I looked years ago. Says it all. Jacko would be a very very popular nickname in Dublin for lads named Jack (I actually know one) as with every other name, Bill - Billo etc. So backing this up there was absolutely positively no racist undertones by him being referred to as Jacko here (at least).
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Post by pg13 on Jun 23, 2022 12:03:10 GMT
That is such a speculative, tenuous reasoning. The toy itself wasn't based on racism, but a long tailed monkey that belonged to British sailors who were known as "Jack Tars". Hence, the monkey was known as "Jack Of The Tars" and, shortened over time, Jacko. Much like how Halloween lanterns were known as Jack'o Lanterns - literally, Jack Of The Lanterns. It was a historically popular name for people and was also extended to donkeys, birds, dogs and various animals kept as pets. Jacko the donkey retired from a farm in England in 2015 and, in 1982, there was a children's storybook about "Jacko - The Hurricane Donkey". In 2021, a cockatoo bird known as Jacko was stolen from an Australian pet shop and later found. Certainly, a person named Jack or whose surname had Jack in it would be known as Jacko also. The golfer Tony Jacklin was known as Jacko, for example. Indeed, there's quite a lot of black people in various parts of the world who have Jacko in their name. Including in the United States where a man known by his nickname Jacko lived to be 103 - died maybe 3 years ago. In the Dominican Republic, an escaped slave believed to have originally been from Guinea is still commemorated today by his name - Chief Jacko. And the area where his camp was based is known as Jacko Flats. In the UK, Jamaican born Canadian professional footballer who played for Norwich City between 2010 and 2013 was known as "Wacko Jacko". I remember a headline for him was "Wacko Jacko Strikes Again!". He'd scored a screamer and his goals kept his team up in the league. And this is just a small snapshot of the history of the name Jacko I personally researched in 2012. I can also confirm there isn't a single linguist who takes seriously claims that "Jacko" has racist origins. It literally doesn't. Much like "crowbar" and "picnic" do not have racist origins. As for the cartoon drawing you're referring to, it was from the New Musical Express in 1991. It didn't actually depict an ape dressed like MJ, but was a depiction of MJ in a cage with a "Don't feed the wacko" sign. And his skin pulled tight by wire - a reference to plastics surgery. But not a monkey as you thought. And yes, that is in pretty bad taste. Yet that was just one publication. But it is NOT evidence that Jacko has racist origins OR that it has its roots in primates. The roots go far further back than a sailor's monkey or the Westminster fighting ape. The root is as a name for a man. Nothing else. You can take just about anything out of context in order to push an argument, but that argument must ultimately stand up on its own merits. Fortunately, there's far too much evidence historically that proves Jacko has no racist origins AND is a nickname for those whose surname is Jackson, Jackman, Jacklin and so on. You won't find a credible impartial history of racist terms including Jacko. I know because I looked years ago. Says it all. Jacko would be a very very popular nickname in Dublin for lads named Jack (I actually know one) as with every other name, Bill - Billo etc. So backing this up there was absolutely positively no racist undertones by him being referred to as Jacko here (at least). Exactly. There is nowhere in the world where Jacko has a racist meaning anyway. You'll even find it as a name and nickname in several African countries too. In British Colombia, Canada, there's a popular freshwater fishing lake called Jacko Lake. This was named after the Jacko family. In Ontario, there’s a river called Jocko River. As previously said, this is the Scottish version of Jacko. Zero racist history associated with the name itself.
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Post by pg13 on Jun 23, 2022 19:21:25 GMT
That is such a speculative, tenuous reasoning. The toy itself wasn't based on racism, but a long tailed monkey that belonged to British sailors who were known as "Jack Tars". Hence, the monkey was known as "Jack Of The Tars" and, shortened over time, Jacko. Much like how Halloween lanterns were known as Jack'o Lanterns - literally, Jack Of The Lanterns. It was a historically popular name for people and was also extended to donkeys, birds, dogs and various animals kept as pets. Jacko the donkey retired from a farm in England in 2015 and, in 1982, there was a children's storybook about "Jacko - The Hurricane Donkey". In 2021, a cockatoo bird known as Jacko was stolen from an Australian pet shop and later found. Certainly, a person named Jack or whose surname had Jack in it would be known as Jacko also. The golfer Tony Jacklin was known as Jacko, for example. Indeed, there's quite a lot of black people in various parts of the world who have Jacko in their name. Including in the United States where a man known by his nickname Jacko lived to be 103 - died maybe 3 years ago. In the Dominican Republic, an escaped slave believed to have originally been from Guinea is still commemorated today by his name - Chief Jacko. And the area where his camp was based is known as Jacko Flats. In the UK, Jamaican born Canadian professional footballer who played for Norwich City between 2010 and 2013 was known as "Wacko Jacko". I remember a headline for him was "Wacko Jacko Strikes Again!". He'd scored a screamer and his goals kept his team up in the league. And this is just a small snapshot of the history of the name Jacko I personally researched in 2012. I can also confirm there isn't a single linguist who takes seriously claims that "Jacko" has racist origins. It literally doesn't. Much like "crowbar" and "picnic" do not have racist origins. As for the cartoon drawing you're referring to, it was from the New Musical Express in 1991. It didn't actually depict an ape dressed like MJ, but was a depiction of MJ in a cage with a "Don't feed the wacko" sign. And his skin pulled tight by wire - a reference to plastics surgery. But not a monkey as you thought. And yes, that is in pretty bad taste. Yet that was just one publication. But it is NOT evidence that Jacko has racist origins OR that it has its roots in primates. The roots go far further back than a sailor's monkey or the Westminster fighting ape. The root is as a name for a man. Nothing else. You can take just about anything out of context in order to push an argument, but that argument must ultimately stand up on its own merits. Fortunately, there's far too much evidence historically that proves Jacko has no racist origins AND is a nickname for those whose surname is Jackson, Jackman, Jacklin and so on. You won't find a credible impartial history of racist terms including Jacko. I know because I looked years ago. Says it all. Jacko would be a very very popular nickname in Dublin for lads named Jack (I actually know one) as with every other name, Bill - Billo etc. So backing this up there was absolutely positively no racist undertones by him being referred to as Jacko here (at least). I've just remembered there was a Spanish MJ fanzine in the 1990s called.....wait for it..Jacko! IIRC, British fanzines also used it at times.
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Post by pg13 on Jun 24, 2022 13:50:21 GMT
Disclaimer: I'm not saying MJ was a pedophile. I repeat, I'm not saying MJ was a pedophile. I don't believe any of the accusations are credible. Period.
Ok, so I admit to being a bit triggered by the constant bullshit about Elvis I keep seeing posted on twitter by MJ fans. Can we agree that cases A and B are not comparable? A - Man who has a history of travelling with, spending time with and constantly being seen in the company of an array of child friends is accused by 5 people he spent time alone with (4 of whom he spent nights with) of sexual molestation. One case is settled for millions of dollars and another goes to trial. The man is never really known to have had any serious relationships with women other than 1 he married following the first accusation. B - Man meets his future wife when she is 14 and he is 24 circa 1959. Said woman comes to live with man's father and stepmother at the age of 16 and eventually moves in with the man with the blessing of her parents. Man marries woman when she turns 21 and they have intercourse for the first time. 9 months later to the day a daughter is born. Man is never rumoured to have had any romances with underage girls in his lifetime and is never accused of such by anybody. His many relationships with adult women are well publicised. Can we maybe see why these two situations are not treated EXACTLY the same way by the media? Can we see that it might be a BIT more nuanced than just one man is white and the other is black? That's not to say Elvis and Priscilla's relationship hasn't been scandalised by the media. I remember seeing many stories about it when I was old enough to read my mum's tabloid magazines in the 90's (when the generation gap wasn't as large and Elvis' name was still capable of selling magazines). There was even a well publicised trashy book released about it called Child Bride (despite her not being a child when they married). Why can't MJ fans combat the media without constantly dragging other artists without comparable situations into it? Why can't they understand that there is a lot more to it than just MJ being black? Just to come back full circle to Wildstyle's OP and linking to the conversation over the last page. Elvis, I must say, lives rent free in the head of this fan and those like her. There really isn't a big difference between the front page coverage of the two here: Both are referred to as "King", fir example. Obviously, this MJ fan is one of those who believe, rightly or wrongly, that "Jacko" is racist. 🙄 But this front page they used to strengthen their point of view: Is actually a FAKE one. The Sun didn't have a front page like that! Michael died in summer 2009, but this fake one has a "snow chaos" article on it. Here's the real one from January 2007: The fake MJ front page was most likely created by an MJ fan. There is no shortage of fans who believe Michael was an eternal victim to the point where they will fake things like this, invent a fake racism meaning for "Jacko" and.....yes, become jealous of Elvis. They tend to be younger fans, but I've seen older fans be taken in by this kind of thing all the same. So, Wildstyle has more than a point here and such behaviour makes us all look crazy too.
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Post by WildStyle on Jun 24, 2022 14:08:12 GMT
Disclaimer: I'm not saying MJ was a pedophile. I repeat, I'm not saying MJ was a pedophile. I don't believe any of the accusations are credible. Period.
Ok, so I admit to being a bit triggered by the constant bullshit about Elvis I keep seeing posted on twitter by MJ fans. Can we agree that cases A and B are not comparable? A - Man who has a history of travelling with, spending time with and constantly being seen in the company of an array of child friends is accused by 5 people he spent time alone with (4 of whom he spent nights with) of sexual molestation. One case is settled for millions of dollars and another goes to trial. The man is never really known to have had any serious relationships with women other than 1 he married following the first accusation. B - Man meets his future wife when she is 14 and he is 24 circa 1959. Said woman comes to live with man's father and stepmother at the age of 16 and eventually moves in with the man with the blessing of her parents. Man marries woman when she turns 21 and they have intercourse for the first time. 9 months later to the day a daughter is born. Man is never rumoured to have had any romances with underage girls in his lifetime and is never accused of such by anybody. His many relationships with adult women are well publicised. Can we maybe see why these two situations are not treated EXACTLY the same way by the media? Can we see that it might be a BIT more nuanced than just one man is white and the other is black? That's not to say Elvis and Priscilla's relationship hasn't been scandalised by the media. I remember seeing many stories about it when I was old enough to read my mum's tabloid magazines in the 90's (when the generation gap wasn't as large and Elvis' name was still capable of selling magazines). There was even a well publicised trashy book released about it called Child Bride (despite her not being a child when they married). Why can't MJ fans combat the media without constantly dragging other artists without comparable situations into it? Why can't they understand that there is a lot more to it than just MJ being black? Just to come back full circle to Wildstyle's OP and linking to the conversation over the last page. Elvis, I must say, lives rent free in the head of this fan and those like her. There really isn't a big difference between the front page coverage of the two here: Both are referred to as "King", fir example. Obviously, this MJ fan is one of those who believe, rightly or wrongly, that "Jacko" is racist. 🙄 But this front page they used to strengthen their point of view: Is actually a FAKE one. The Sun didn't have a front page like that! Michael died in summer 2009, but this fake one has a "snow chaos" article on it. Here's the real one from January 2007: The fake MJ front page was most likely created by an MJ fan. There is no shortage of fans who believe Michael was an eternal victim to the point where they will fake things like this, invent a fake racism meaning for "Jacko" and.....yes, become jealous of Elvis. They tend to be younger fans, but I've seen older fans be taken in by this kind of thing all the same. So, Wildstyle has more than a point here and such behaviour makes us all look crazy too. They also chose to use an unflattering picture of Elvis looking very fat, sweaty and dishevelled.
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Post by pg13 on Jun 24, 2022 17:21:20 GMT
That is such a speculative, tenuous reasoning. The toy itself wasn't based on racism, but a long tailed monkey that belonged to British sailors who were known as "Jack Tars". Hence, the monkey was known as "Jack Of The Tars" and, shortened over time, Jacko. Much like how Halloween lanterns were known as Jack'o Lanterns - literally, Jack Of The Lanterns. It was a historically popular name for people and was also extended to donkeys, birds, dogs and various animals kept as pets. Jacko the donkey retired from a farm in England in 2015 and, in 1982, there was a children's storybook about "Jacko - The Hurricane Donkey". In 2021, a cockatoo bird known as Jacko was stolen from an Australian pet shop and later found. Certainly, a person named Jack or whose surname had Jack in it would be known as Jacko also. The golfer Tony Jacklin was known as Jacko, for example. Indeed, there's quite a lot of black people in various parts of the world who have Jacko in their name. Including in the United States where a man known by his nickname Jacko lived to be 103 - died maybe 3 years ago. In the Dominican Republic, an escaped slave believed to have originally been from Guinea is still commemorated today by his name - Chief Jacko. And the area where his camp was based is known as Jacko Flats. In the UK, Jamaican born Canadian professional footballer who played for Norwich City between 2010 and 2013 was known as "Wacko Jacko". I remember a headline for him was "Wacko Jacko Strikes Again!". He'd scored a screamer and his goals kept his team up in the league. And this is just a small snapshot of the history of the name Jacko I personally researched in 2012. I can also confirm there isn't a single linguist who takes seriously claims that "Jacko" has racist origins. It literally doesn't. Much like "crowbar" and "picnic" do not have racist origins. As for the cartoon drawing you're referring to, it was from the New Musical Express in 1991. It didn't actually depict an ape dressed like MJ, but was a depiction of MJ in a cage with a "Don't feed the wacko" sign. And his skin pulled tight by wire - a reference to plastics surgery. But not a monkey as you thought. And yes, that is in pretty bad taste. Yet that was just one publication. But it is NOT evidence that Jacko has racist origins OR that it has its roots in primates. The roots go far further back than a sailor's monkey or the Westminster fighting ape. The root is as a name for a man. Nothing else. You can take just about anything out of context in order to push an argument, but that argument must ultimately stand up on its own merits. Fortunately, there's far too much evidence historically that proves Jacko has no racist origins AND is a nickname for those whose surname is Jackson, Jackman, Jacklin and so on. You won't find a credible impartial history of racist terms including Jacko. I know because I looked years ago. Says it all. Jacko would be a very very popular nickname in Dublin for lads named Jack (I actually know one) as with every other name, Bill - Billo etc. So backing this up there was absolutely positively no racist undertones by him being referred to as Jacko here (at least). Here's one from Northern Ireland: His funeral was yesterday.
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Post by pg13 on Jun 24, 2022 17:23:19 GMT
Just to come back full circle to Wildstyle's OP and linking to the conversation over the last page. Elvis, I must say, lives rent free in the head of this fan and those like her. There really isn't a big difference between the front page coverage of the two here: Both are referred to as "King", fir example. Obviously, this MJ fan is one of those who believe, rightly or wrongly, that "Jacko" is racist. 🙄 But this front page they used to strengthen their point of view: Is actually a FAKE one. The Sun didn't have a front page like that! Michael died in summer 2009, but this fake one has a "snow chaos" article on it. Here's the real one from January 2007: The fake MJ front page was most likely created by an MJ fan. There is no shortage of fans who believe Michael was an eternal victim to the point where they will fake things like this, invent a fake racism meaning for "Jacko" and.....yes, become jealous of Elvis. They tend to be younger fans, but I've seen older fans be taken in by this kind of thing all the same. So, Wildstyle has more than a point here and such behaviour makes us all look crazy too. They also chose to use an unflattering picture of Elvis looking very fat, sweaty and dishevelled. Shhh....that doesn't suit the narrative! 😉 It tells its own story we're now hearing crickets from those with no credible evidence now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 18:02:39 GMT
I feel awful.... but Wacko Jacko Heart Attacko keeps making me laugh, ESPECIALLY as it was made by some demented fan to further push a narrative that didn't need any help at all 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by TonyR on Jun 24, 2022 20:31:21 GMT
I feel awful.... but Wacko Jacko Heart Attacko keeps making me laugh, ESPECIALLY as it was made by some demented fan to further push a narrative that didn't need any help at all 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I can't quite believe it. I wonder of whoever did it made themselves laugh. It wasn't like there weren't enough terrible MJ articles they could use for their narrative.
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