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Post by jaywonder on Jan 4, 2019 23:57:02 GMT
Maybe R. Kelly made it up and just told her that the song was about her. It could be both: either that he made it up for her, or she made it up for the TV show. I wouldn't be too surprised if the editor asked her to name drop MJ. You know how the media likes to drag his name into any filth of this nature. It is just very easy to go to a TV show and make all kind of claims about someone. A claim is just a claim though. Might be true, but also might be a lie or a bunch of half-truths. The episode didn't really spend a lot of time on it. I watched the first two episodes and it was just a drop in the bucket in whole scheme of things The producer behind the series, Dream Hampton, is in the Off The Wall documentary is speaks of Michael in a very positive way in that. They discussed his other works and how they are connected to him and society, including I Believe I Can Fly
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Post by jaywonder on Jan 4, 2019 23:58:05 GMT
For those of you who haven't watched, I'd strongly suggest doing it. To think all this was happening while the press and general public was dragging Michael through the mud is mind blowing
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Post by respect77 on Jan 5, 2019 9:21:05 GMT
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Post by jaywonder on Jan 5, 2019 10:34:22 GMT
Good chance she has the timeline wrong.
Again, I'm still not going to call her a liar when this man is obviously a predator
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Post by respect77 on Jan 5, 2019 11:04:43 GMT
Good chance she has the timeline wrong. Again, I'm still not going to call her a liar when this man is obviously a predator I think a miscarriage is something that you would have medical papers to back up the date of. They met in 1995 and the miscarriage was even later (acc. to a tweet I saw she said it was in 1998/1999). So there is no way YANA is about that. I don't know if she is telling the truth about other aspects of her relationship with Kelly or not, I am only interested in her dragging MJ's name into her story and that part appears to be a lie. Maybe R.Kelly told that lie to her, I don't know. Though I would say she could have put two and two together and realize that a song that was created and released before her miscarriage, couldn't be about that miscarriage. But let's say she didn't think too deep into it. That or she made it up. It is what it is. Generally "documentaries" like this make me uncomfortable, because it is so easy to go on TV and claim anything about someone without any kind of cross-examination taking place. It is not in defense of Kelly, because he well may be a predator. On the other hand, I would feel like a hypocrite taking people's words at face value about him without having any idea of the background story of these claims. Especially when someone told a lie about something that I could check the veracity of.
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Post by HIStoric on Jan 5, 2019 13:38:15 GMT
Good chance she has the timeline wrong. Again, I'm still not going to call her a liar when this man is obviously a predator Yeah after all I've read about R Kelly, I'm not going to rush to try and prove her wrong. Though I can't say much, I haven't seen the doco and I don't really have any interest in it.
I don't think this is going to change anything about You Are Not Alone. How many people in the general public actually know R Kelly wrote it? When it comes to the press around the documentary itself, far more people are currently focusing on the fact John Legend called him a serial child rapist on Twitter the other day.
For me personally, it doesn't change how I perceive the song (which isn't all that highly in the first place). I don't have any reason to suspect Michael was aware of any possible negative connections with the lyrics, so I know that when Michael is singing it, he was likely thinking about Lisa Marie.
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Post by jaywonder on Jan 5, 2019 19:15:07 GMT
Good chance she has the timeline wrong. Again, I'm still not going to call her a liar when this man is obviously a predator I think a miscarriage is something that you would have medical papers to back up the date of. They met in 1995 and the miscarriage was even later (acc. to a tweet I saw she said it was in 1998/1999). So there is no way YANA is about that. I don't know if she is telling the truth about other aspects of her relationship with Kelly or not, I am only interested in her dragging MJ's name into her story and that part appears to be a lie. Maybe R.Kelly told that lie to her, I don't know. Though I would say she could have put two and two together and realize that a song that was created and released before her miscarriage, couldn't be about that miscarriage. But let's say she didn't think too deep into it. That or she made it up. It is what it is. Generally "documentaries" like this make me uncomfortable, because it is so easy to go on TV and claim anything about someone without any kind of cross-examination taking place. It is not in defense of Kelly, because he well may be a predator. On the other hand, I would feel like a hypocrite taking people's words at face value about him without having any idea of the background story of these claims. Especially when someone told a lie about something that I could check the veracity of. I already assumed he lied about the song to her. I get what you're saying in to the bolded, but it's not a "he may be a predator". It's long established he is. This isn't a similar situation that Michael faced. This is the matter of things finally coming to the surface and many things that many knew that is being confirmed There's a marriage certificate There's a tape of him with a 14 year old girl He's a predator
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Post by jaywonder on Jan 5, 2019 19:23:06 GMT
Good chance she has the timeline wrong. Again, I'm still not going to call her a liar when this man is obviously a predator Yeah after all I've read about R Kelly, I'm not going to rush to try and prove her wrong. Though I can't say much, I haven't seen the doco and I don't really have any interest in it.
I don't think this is going to change anything about You Are Not Alone. How many people in the general public actually know R Kelly wrote it? When it comes to the press around the documentary itself, far more people are currently focusing on the fact John Legend called him a serial child rapist on Twitter the other day.
For me personally, it doesn't change how I perceive the song (which isn't all that highly in the first place). I don't have any reason to suspect Michael was aware of any possible negative connections with the lyrics, so I know that when Michael is singing it, he was likely thinking about Lisa Marie.
In the documentary, it says Michael heard the song and liked it and would go on to make it a hit. It's the usual morons on social media reading too much into it and trying implicate MJ in all of this, instead of putting proper focus on how this man got away with preying on young girls for over 20 years. Think about this, in January 1994, while Michael was at the tail end of his ordeal, this guy had papers forged to marry 15 year old Aaliyah because he was worried he got her pregnant. Guess what got more outrage?
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Post by jaywonder on Jan 5, 2019 19:27:47 GMT
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Post by respect77 on Jan 5, 2019 19:45:52 GMT
I think a miscarriage is something that you would have medical papers to back up the date of. They met in 1995 and the miscarriage was even later (acc. to a tweet I saw she said it was in 1998/1999). So there is no way YANA is about that. I don't know if she is telling the truth about other aspects of her relationship with Kelly or not, I am only interested in her dragging MJ's name into her story and that part appears to be a lie. Maybe R.Kelly told that lie to her, I don't know. Though I would say she could have put two and two together and realize that a song that was created and released before her miscarriage, couldn't be about that miscarriage. But let's say she didn't think too deep into it. That or she made it up. It is what it is. Generally "documentaries" like this make me uncomfortable, because it is so easy to go on TV and claim anything about someone without any kind of cross-examination taking place. It is not in defense of Kelly, because he well may be a predator. On the other hand, I would feel like a hypocrite taking people's words at face value about him without having any idea of the background story of these claims. Especially when someone told a lie about something that I could check the veracity of. I already assumed he lied about the song to her. I get what you're saying in to the bolded, but it's not a "he may be a predator". It's long established he is. This isn't a similar situation that Michael faced. This is the matter of things finally coming to the surface and many things that many knew that is being confirmed There's a marriage certificate There's a tape of him with a 14 year old girl He's a predator I agree that those are damning things. Though I still don't know how he was acquitted with a tape like that. I understand his lawyers managed to cast doubt on whether it was him on the tape and also about who the girl was. Was it so unclear? Not that I wish to watch it. I'm not that interested in Kelly's case that I would like to see such a video. It sound sickening. And that the alleged victim didn't testify probably didn't help either.
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Post by TonyR on Jan 5, 2019 20:14:29 GMT
I already assumed he lied about the song to her. I get what you're saying in to the bolded, but it's not a "he may be a predator". It's long established he is. This isn't a similar situation that Michael faced. This is the matter of things finally coming to the surface and many things that many knew that is being confirmed There's a marriage certificate There's a tape of him with a 14 year old girl He's a predator I agree that those are damning things. Though I still don't know how he was acquitted with a tape like that. I understand his lawyers managed to cast doubt on whether it was him on the tape and also about who the girl was. Was it so unclear? Not that I wish to watch it. I'm not that interested in Kelly's case that I would like to see such a video. It sound sickening. And that the alleged victim didn't testify probably didn't help either. Didn't his brother falsely say it was him in exchange for Robert promising him a successful career.
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Post by suzie on Jan 5, 2019 20:41:37 GMT
To be honest I do wonder if she made it up about YANA. She met Kelly in 1995, but apparently MJ and Kelly have been working on the song already in 1994... Maybe R. Kelly made it up and just told her that the song was about her. Yea he could’ve told her that but it would be odd since the song was likely already written and released when they met. Maybe she confused it with something else
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Post by suzie on Jan 5, 2019 20:44:54 GMT
I already assumed he lied about the song to her. I get what you're saying in to the bolded, but it's not a "he may be a predator". It's long established he is. This isn't a similar situation that Michael faced. This is the matter of things finally coming to the surface and many things that many knew that is being confirmed There's a marriage certificate There's a tape of him with a 14 year old girl He's a predator I agree that those are damning things. Though I still don't know how he was acquitted with a tape like that. I understand his lawyers managed to cast doubt on whether it was him on the tape and also about who the girl was. Was it so unclear? Not that I wish to watch it. I'm not that interested in Kelly's case that I would like to see such a video. It sound sickening. And that the alleged victim didn't testify probably didn't help either. Her parents nor she would testify that it was her on the tape. Otherwise how were they supposed to know who the person was?
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Post by jaywonder on Jan 6, 2019 2:17:53 GMT
I already assumed he lied about the song to her. I get what you're saying in to the bolded, but it's not a "he may be a predator". It's long established he is. This isn't a similar situation that Michael faced. This is the matter of things finally coming to the surface and many things that many knew that is being confirmed There's a marriage certificate There's a tape of him with a 14 year old girl He's a predator I agree that those are damning things. Though I still don't know how he was acquitted with a tape like that. I understand his lawyers managed to cast doubt on whether it was him on the tape and also about who the girl was. Was it so unclear? Not that I wish to watch it. I'm not that interested in Kelly's case that I would like to see such a video. It sound sickening. And that the alleged victim didn't testify probably didn't help either. The girl in the video not only refused to testify, she said it wasn't her. Her aunt was his background singer and protege. She's in the film with massive regret and is now estranged from her family. She says in the show her relatives not only kept contact, some of them still continued to work on his albums www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1067364/surviving-r-kelly-who-is-sparkle-documentary-lifetime-singer-family
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Post by respect77 on Jan 6, 2019 3:52:27 GMT
I agree that those are damning things. Though I still don't know how he was acquitted with a tape like that. I understand his lawyers managed to cast doubt on whether it was him on the tape and also about who the girl was. Was it so unclear? Not that I wish to watch it. I'm not that interested in Kelly's case that I would like to see such a video. It sound sickening. And that the alleged victim didn't testify probably didn't help either. The girl in the video not only refused to testify, she said it wasn't her. Her aunt was his background singer and protege. She's in the film with massive regret and is now estranged from her family. She says in the show her relatives not only kept contact, some of them still continued to work on his albums www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1067364/surviving-r-kelly-who-is-sparkle-documentary-lifetime-singer-familyI see. Thank you.
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