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Post by ShadowDeeps on Mar 9, 2019 3:47:46 GMT
I’m somewhat feeling under the weather (emotionally, not physically) after my family finally brought up the “documentary”. My father is of the opinion that it’s all for money, but one of my brothers thinks it’s “undeniable” now that MJ was up to no good and that there are “eye witness” statements which corroborate the accusers. He feels the need to watch the “documentary”. What eye witness statements? Didn’t James and Wade both claim that only MJ was present when the “abuse” was “happening” behind closed doors? Any eye witness statements (regarding previous accusers) from the disgruntled employees / Neverland 5 during the 2005 trial were certainly discredited by the defense and cross examination. Doing even rudimentary research can clearly dispel so much of the agenda-driven hogwash present in both the movie, social media, and on anti-MJ websites. But it feels like most people would rather just believe that MJ was a child molester and it honestly feels to me at this point like whether or not the truth prevails that enough people believe in MJ’s guilt for his legacy to be over.  |
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Post by soulqueen on Mar 9, 2019 6:10:18 GMT
I've been freaking about this since it was announced and this week has probably been the worst. For a few days I felt nauseated, couldn't eat well at dinner time, and was just depressed. I even decided to take a partial break from MJJC cause the negativity and paranoia there was too much. I haven't checked the main LN thread on there in a few days. I'm not ready to face my family this weekend. I don't know how many of them are aware of this crap or how they feel, but if they are and it's negative towards Michael, I don't know what I'm gonna do. I can totally relate to what you're saying this is almost exactly how I feel as well I've also today decided to stop and take a break from vitsiting MJJC for the same reasons as well. I haven't heard anyone talking about it IRL and no ones approached me about it, but am also not sure what to say if someone brings it up, I've also decided to take a break from facebook as I saw one friend of mine post this horrible photo of some guy wearing this MJ mask it made me so upset that I had to hide the post.  I just can't believe that this is happening again, I just feel so distraught and I have days where I just don't know what to do with myself, I've also been finding it difficult to focus on myself and I just wake up every day with a heavy heart sometimes my stomach hurts, this has been causing me so much stress and anxiety I don't know when I'm ever going to feel normal again |
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Post by Thriller on Mar 9, 2019 6:19:34 GMT
I’m somewhat feeling under the weather (emotionally, not physically) after my family finally brought up the “documentary”. My father is of the opinion that it’s all for money, but one of my brothers thinks it’s “undeniable” now that MJ was up to no good and that there are “eye witness” statements which corroborate the accusers. He feels the need to watch the “documentary”. What eye witness statements? Didn’t James and Wade both claim that only MJ was present when the “abuse” was “happening” behind closed doors? Any eye witness statements (regarding previous accusers) from the disgruntled employees / Neverland 5 during the 2005 trial were certainly discredited by the defense and cross examination. Doing even rudimentary research can clearly dispel so much of the agenda-driven hogwash present in both the movie, social media, and on anti-MJ websites. But it feels like most people would rather just believe that MJ was a child molester and it honestly feels to me at this point like whether or not the truth prevails that enough people believe in MJ’s guilt for his legacy to be over. If you want to disprove what your brother says then inform him about the history of the people who 'witnessed' things. Adrian McManus has done the rounds again of late so he may be referring to her. Her story, like others, has evolved over time. In her December 1993 deposition she had said she never saw MJ in bed alone nor a child in bed with him. She even said she'd leave her own son with MJ. She never saw anything inappropriate. Only over time did her story develop into seeing things when she decided to file a lawsuit with the help of a certain Victor Gutierrez. In all honesty McManus is crazy. She used to have a Twitter account and claim she had nightmares about MJ. In the latest interview she gave with 60 Minutes she claimed she had been threatened by somebody to do with MJ (I forget their job title) that they could take her out with a sniper... She lost a lawsuit against MJ and was ordered to pay him. She stole from him. She's even sold things on eBay that were taken from Neverland. I've seen the maid Blanca Francia mentioned in the last few days also. She claimed to have seen MJ in the shower with Wade. Except she said in her 1994 deposition she only saw one figure in the shower. And why did she hear somebody in the shower, and instead of giving privacy go and have a look? She wanted to see MJ naked. Blanca also lied when asked by the defence lawyer Johnnie Cochran if she brought her Hard Copy (tabloid TV show she went on) contract with her she said no. She was then asked by Cochran to bring the contract with her to her next deposition. As it turned out, she had brought the contract with her. She had shown it to the opposition lawyer Larry Feldman. She then went home and destroyed the contract rather than bring it with her to her next deposition. So, not only has her story changed through the years she has also destroyed evidence. Neither of these pair are reliable and the media won't tell you their true history with MJ. I am figuring these are the two he probably saw mentioned in the media. |
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Post by MattyJam on Mar 9, 2019 15:42:22 GMT
Ugh. Just logged on to my browsing homepage and it has a picture of MJ with the headline "Is this America's Saville moment?".
Ffs. The injustice is off the charts.
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Post by respect77 on Mar 9, 2019 15:51:19 GMT
I’m somewhat feeling under the weather (emotionally, not physically) after my family finally brought up the “documentary”. My father is of the opinion that it’s all for money, but one of my brothers thinks it’s “undeniable” now that MJ was up to no good and that there are “eye witness” statements which corroborate the accusers. He feels the need to watch the “documentary”. What eye witness statements? Didn’t James and Wade both claim that only MJ was present when the “abuse” was “happening” behind closed doors? Any eye witness statements (regarding previous accusers) from the disgruntled employees / Neverland 5 during the 2005 trial were certainly discredited by the defense and cross examination. Doing even rudimentary research can clearly dispel so much of the agenda-driven hogwash present in both the movie, social media, and on anti-MJ websites. But it feels like most people would rather just believe that MJ was a child molester and it honestly feels to me at this point like whether or not the truth prevails that enough people believe in MJ’s guilt for his legacy to be over. These are the so called "eye witnesses":
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Post by respect77 on Mar 9, 2019 15:53:23 GMT
Ugh. Just logged on to my browsing homepage and it has a picture of MJ with the headline "Is this America's Saville moment?". Ffs. The injustice is off the charts. Yeah, because two people with heavily compromised credibility equal hundreds of people coming forward in the Saville case.
But isn't this the moral support thread?
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Post by MattyJam on Mar 9, 2019 18:02:05 GMT
I’m somewhat feeling under the weather (emotionally, not physically) after my family finally brought up the “documentary”. My father is of the opinion that it’s all for money, but one of my brothers thinks it’s “undeniable” now that MJ was up to no good and that there are “eye witness” statements which corroborate the accusers. He feels the need to watch the “documentary”. What eye witness statements? Didn’t James and Wade both claim that only MJ was present when the “abuse” was “happening” behind closed doors? Any eye witness statements (regarding previous accusers) from the disgruntled employees / Neverland 5 during the 2005 trial were certainly discredited by the defense and cross examination. Doing even rudimentary research can clearly dispel so much of the agenda-driven hogwash present in both the movie, social media, and on anti-MJ websites. But it feels like most people would rather just believe that MJ was a child molester and it honestly feels to me at this point like whether or not the truth prevails that enough people believe in MJ’s guilt for his legacy to be over. What do people mean when they say his legacy is over? Who decides that exactly? The media? The fans? The general public? The media have always championed MJs guilt. The fans have always believed in MJs innocence and the general public have always been split. No offense intended, but it feels a little melodramatic to say that MJs legacy is over, when you consider he still has millions of fans who love him and his music and will always defend him against the sleazeballs in the media. Do the opinions of these fans count for nothing? As long as MJ has his fans, his legacy will never be over. And I couldn't give a flying fuck what the media say or what non-fans who think they're well-informed because they watched one salacious documentary think! |
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Post by ShadowDeeps on Mar 9, 2019 18:09:25 GMT
Well, in answer to your question... I really hate to sound dispiriting, but I’d have to echo what danm said in another thread. Unless Wade and James concede they’re lying (very unlikely), or Dan admits that the claims being made are specious at best and he just wanted to make an emotionally gut and heart wrenching movie (also unlikely), or some other unavoidable bombshell drops which falsifies all their claims beyond a window of doubt... there’s a very real chance Michael Jackson will never be publicly celebrated again, or at least not for a very long time. I know it’s going to get worse before it get better, but there doesn’t seem to be any sign of this letting up or dying down.
LN and Wades and James’ claims are now being taken earnestly enough to do lethal damage to MJ’s legacy (dropping his music from radio stations, removing references to him in television, etc). I know it doesn’t seem particularly stark yet, but I fear it will soon reach the point where all streaming services and digital markets will pull his music, music videos, and live performances - anything MJ will be pulled from all store shelves. The “Me Too” movement has become enough of a behemoth for this to be feasible, especially since it won’t question dubious allegations of misconduct. I still want to remain positive, but this time, there is no possibility of an acquittal in the court of law - the court of public opinion, or at least the consensus, has (albeit erroneously) declared him guilty. It’s true that MJ will always have his fans, which will allow his legacy to live on in the hearts of his fans. But his public legacy and reputation may very well be irreparably tarnished, and that is what I fear most.
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Post by MattyJam on Mar 9, 2019 18:13:49 GMT
the court of public opinion has (albeit erroneously) declared him guilty. Again, this is melodramatic and very half glass full. The court of public opinion is mixed, from what I've seen and read. I posted a massive long rant on my FB page about MJs innocence and I got a tonne of likes from people I know in real life, most of whom are not MJ fans. |
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Post by respect77 on Mar 9, 2019 18:36:57 GMT
Yeah, or see what I wrote today in the good news thread about the reactions on that news website in my country.
Also, I think now, I'm the immediate aftermath the uninformed masses are louder, the brainwash by the film is still fresh. They will move on eventually. And we should continue to work and monitor these people's every step (Wade, James), you never know when they will do or say something that will turn the public against them. Because I'm convinced, at least narcissist Robson will try to stay in the public eye, capitalize on this and build a career on this.
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Post by TonyR on Mar 9, 2019 18:37:25 GMT
Still think something hugely positive will happen. It'll be a catalyst in how we treat accusations and MeToo and of course Michael Jackson.
Which will be amazing but also terribly sad for real victims.
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Post by respect77 on Mar 9, 2019 18:47:06 GMT
Still think something hugely positive will happen. It'll be a catalyst in how we treat accusations and MeToo and of course Michael Jackson. Which will be amazing but also terribly sad for real victims. I was thinking about this too. This is such a huge story because of MJ and because of how the media hypes it. If something would happen that could make the case crumble or at least put serious doubt in people's mind on a grand scale, it could take down the whole Metoo movement (to be honest I would not mind it, Metoo is toxic IMO) and expose the whole media machine. |
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Post by Thriller on Mar 9, 2019 19:44:43 GMT
A rebuttal documentary would really expose the pair imo. Respect's video had more evidence in half an hour than Reed had in four. What the pair were saying didn't match court documents. This whole 'we were in love with MJ' angle can be refuted in minutes by using what they claim in court. Wade 'didn't realise' he was abused, so how can he fear MJ going to jail and be scared of the truth coming out? And Safechuck makes out that MJ wrecked his life with his intimidation and threats, so still having love for MJ makes no sense.
When this documentary was first announced I feared the worst. With MJ I often do lol. Then I saw how strong the fanbase was which gave me hope going into the documentary. Also, not everybody has been convinced by it. Another aspect is, those who have been taken in by only the word of the pair could well do a 180 upon seeing actual claims, by the pair, from court.
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Post by SoCav on Mar 9, 2019 21:04:32 GMT
Still think something hugely positive will happen. It'll be a catalyst in how we treat accusations and MeToo and of course Michael Jackson. Which will be amazing but also terribly sad for real victims. I was thinking about this too. This is such a huge story because of MJ and because of how the media hypes it. If something would happen that could make the case crumble or at least put serious doubt in people's mind on a grand scale, it could take down the whole Metoo movement (to be honest I would not mind it, Metoo is toxic IMO) and expose the whole media machine. I've been hoping for something that would blow all the accusations out of the water ever since I first learned that Chandler was telling people at his college that nothing ever happened to him in 2005. But since then, we've lost Michael and things have only gotten infinitely worse with this film. I'm not beyond hope and will admit scenarios like this (Jordy finally setting the record straight, Safechuck crumbling, Wade having left a damning paper trail that gets discovered) have crossed my mind, but realistically I just don't see it happening. |
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Post by respect77 on Mar 9, 2019 22:09:03 GMT
I was thinking about this too. This is such a huge story because of MJ and because of how the media hypes it. If something would happen that could make the case crumble or at least put serious doubt in people's mind on a grand scale, it could take down the whole Metoo movement (to be honest I would not mind it, Metoo is toxic IMO) and expose the whole media machine. I've been hoping for something that would blow all the accusations out of the water ever since I first learned that Chandler was telling people at his college that nothing ever happened to him in 2005. But since then, we've lost Michael and things have only gotten infinitely worse with this film. I'm not beyond hope and will admit scenarios like this (Jordy finally setting the record straight, Safechuck crumbling, Wade having left a damning paper trail that gets discovered) have crossed my mind, but realistically I just don't see it happening.
Yeah. And it is so unfair.
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