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Post by HIStoric on Mar 26, 2019 12:54:22 GMT
Sometimes I find myself reminiscing over as recent as early January 2019, before this film was public. When MJ was universally seen as a legend and sure, some people had doubts, but they hadn't been at the forefront for years. He was openly celebrated, his music was played everywhere and there was a lot of respect for him in general. I haven't been out to bars much since the films release, but before the film there was literally almost never a night that I didn't hear a bar blasting a song by him at some point (in the months leading up, I had been out drinking many times too). And now... I fear a lot of that is ruined. Sure, a lot of people will believe he's innocent. But I feel it's just so divided right now. A lot of people believe he's guilty again, his numbers might still be strong online but people are turning off his music. Bars might not play him in case his music offends people. Now when I wear my MJ shirts - which I do to support him and I suppose help 'normalise' wearing his name again - I feel quite conscious. A few days ago a boy did approach me, asking me where I got my shirt and it honestly made my afternoon. But I have noticed people looking at my shirt, and even double-looking when they see what's on my shirt. Whether they support him or not, I don't know, but there is this weird vibe now because his legacy has got such a backlash. I just want to go back to the good old days when I didn't have to think twice about showing my love for the guy. Now I'm very much overly-aware about everything I do related to him, I can't listen to his music without thinking of these false allegations. Like I said, many times I go "fuck it, I don't care" but I think underlying it, I do care. He's an important person to me and I do care - to a degree - what some people might think especially on a topic as repulsive as child molestation. I guess because even though I know I'm right, if I ever promote him - be it via t-shirt, listening to his music, or doing a tribute post in June - I wonder if people then think my supporting of MJ reflects that I support child molesters, or the 'disbelieving of accusers' or whatever bleeding thing they conjure up in their mind from their perception of him. I was looking forward to posting him this June on social media, but now I'm very conflicted about it. It's still 3 months away and we can see a lot changes in that time, but I was looking forward to seeing people celebrate him this June. I really hope to be wrong but I don't think that'll be happening anymore and it saddens me that these two money-hungry lowlifes have torn up and divided his legacy in the minds of everyone so much.
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Mar 26, 2019 13:02:44 GMT
I fear all we'll get now in June is articles stating for a fact he was a pedo and things like "Should we be celebrating Michael Jackson?!?"
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Post by bedroom on Mar 26, 2019 15:39:21 GMT
Sometimes I find myself reminiscing over as recent as early January 2019, before this film was public. When MJ was universally seen as a legend and sure, some people had doubts, but they hadn't been at the forefront for years. He was openly celebrated, his music was played everywhere and there was a lot of respect for him in general. I haven't been out to bars much since the films release, but before the film there was literally almost never a night that I didn't hear a bar blasting a song by him at some point (in the months leading up, I had been out drinking many times too). And now... I fear a lot of that is ruined. Sure, a lot of people will believe he's innocent. But I feel it's just so divided right now. A lot of people believe he's guilty again, his numbers might still be strong online but people are turning off his music. Bars might not play him in case his music offends people. Now when I wear my MJ shirts - which I do to support him and I suppose help 'normalise' wearing his name again - I feel quite conscious. A few days ago a boy did approach me, asking me where I got my shirt and it honestly made my afternoon. But I have noticed people looking at my shirt, and even double-looking when they see what's on my shirt. Whether they support him or not, I don't know, but there is this weird vibe now because his legacy has got such a backlash. I just want to go back to the good old days when I didn't have to think twice about showing my love for the guy. Now I'm very much overly-aware about everything I do related to him, I can't listen to his music without thinking of these false allegations. Like I said, many times I go "fuck it, I don't care" but I think underlying it, I do care. He's an important person to me and I do care - to a degree - what some people might think especially on a topic as repulsive as child molestation. I guess because even though I know I'm right, if I ever promote him - be it via t-shirt, listening to his music, or doing a tribute post in June - I wonder if people then think my supporting of MJ reflects that I support child molesters, or the 'disbelieving of accusers' or whatever bleeding thing they conjure up in their mind from their perception of him. I was looking forward to posting him this June on social media, but now I'm very conflicted about it. It's still 3 months away and we can see a lot changes in that time, but I was looking forward to seeing people celebrate him this June. I really hope to be wrong but I don't think that'll be happening anymore and it saddens me that these two money-hungry lowlifes have torn up and divided his legacy in the minds of everyone so much.
Hi HIStoric. I understand how you feel. I feel the same way sometimes too...I dont know if this works for you but it sure helps me thinking this way: He can be our secret. I remember watching a J.K. Rowling interview and she was mentioning how a boy approached her when the series were not finished yet. And the boy said to her something like "I didnt want everyone to know about harry potter, i wanted it to be MY book". It was exactly how I felt like reading the books as a kid. So I guess MJ might be that for us for a while. Except a very big secret  I guess I am the ultimate optimist |
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Post by MattyJam on Mar 26, 2019 16:02:24 GMT
Sometimes I find myself reminiscing over as recent as early January 2019, before this film was public. When MJ was universally seen as a legend and sure, some people had doubts, but they hadn't been at the forefront for years. He was openly celebrated, his music was played everywhere and there was a lot of respect for him in general. I haven't been out to bars much since the films release, but before the film there was literally almost never a night that I didn't hear a bar blasting a song by him at some point (in the months leading up, I had been out drinking many times too). And now... I fear a lot of that is ruined. Sure, a lot of people will believe he's innocent. But I feel it's just so divided right now. A lot of people believe he's guilty again, his numbers might still be strong online but people are turning off his music. Bars might not play him in case his music offends people. Now when I wear my MJ shirts - which I do to support him and I suppose help 'normalise' wearing his name again - I feel quite conscious. A few days ago a boy did approach me, asking me where I got my shirt and it honestly made my afternoon. But I have noticed people looking at my shirt, and even double-looking when they see what's on my shirt. Whether they support him or not, I don't know, but there is this weird vibe now because his legacy has got such a backlash. I just want to go back to the good old days when I didn't have to think twice about showing my love for the guy. Now I'm very much overly-aware about everything I do related to him, I can't listen to his music without thinking of these false allegations. Like I said, many times I go "fuck it, I don't care" but I think underlying it, I do care. He's an important person to me and I do care - to a degree - what some people might think especially on a topic as repulsive as child molestation. I guess because even though I know I'm right, if I ever promote him - be it via t-shirt, listening to his music, or doing a tribute post in June - I wonder if people then think my supporting of MJ reflects that I support child molesters, or the 'disbelieving of accusers' or whatever bleeding thing they conjure up in their mind from their perception of him. I was looking forward to posting him this June on social media, but now I'm very conflicted about it. It's still 3 months away and we can see a lot changes in that time, but I was looking forward to seeing people celebrate him this June. I really hope to be wrong but I don't think that'll be happening anymore and it saddens me that these two money-hungry lowlifes have torn up and divided his legacy in the minds of everyone so much. Hi HIStoric. I understand how you feel. I feel the same way sometimes too...I dont know if this works for you but it sure helps me thinking this way: He can be our secret. I remember watching a J.K. Rowling interview and she was mentioning how a boy approached her when the series were not finished yet. And the boy said to her something like "I didnt want everyone to know about harry potter, i wanted it to be MY book". It was exactly how I felt like reading the books as a kid. So I guess MJ might be that for us for a while. Except a very big secret I guess I am the ultimate optimist The fans need optimists more than ever atm. š |
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Mar 26, 2019 17:55:50 GMT
Some youtubers I really like watching just did a video in which they talked about mj as if he was guilty after watching the documentary. Obviously I shouldn't care what they think but it's so generally demoralising to me to see people or things I enjoy be slightly ruined when they are so simple minded as to believe it.
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Post by respect77 on Mar 26, 2019 19:51:42 GMT
Sometimes I find myself reminiscing over as recent as early January 2019, before this film was public. When MJ was universally seen as a legend and sure, some people had doubts, but they hadn't been at the forefront for years. He was openly celebrated, his music was played everywhere and there was a lot of respect for him in general. I haven't been out to bars much since the films release, but before the film there was literally almost never a night that I didn't hear a bar blasting a song by him at some point (in the months leading up, I had been out drinking many times too). And now... I fear a lot of that is ruined. Sure, a lot of people will believe he's innocent. But I feel it's just so divided right now. A lot of people believe he's guilty again, his numbers might still be strong online but people are turning off his music. Bars might not play him in case his music offends people. Now when I wear my MJ shirts - which I do to support him and I suppose help 'normalise' wearing his name again - I feel quite conscious. A few days ago a boy did approach me, asking me where I got my shirt and it honestly made my afternoon. But I have noticed people looking at my shirt, and even double-looking when they see what's on my shirt. Whether they support him or not, I don't know, but there is this weird vibe now because his legacy has got such a backlash. I just want to go back to the good old days when I didn't have to think twice about showing my love for the guy. Now I'm very much overly-aware about everything I do related to him, I can't listen to his music without thinking of these false allegations. Like I said, many times I go "fuck it, I don't care" but I think underlying it, I do care. He's an important person to me and I do care - to a degree - what some people might think especially on a topic as repulsive as child molestation. I guess because even though I know I'm right, if I ever promote him - be it via t-shirt, listening to his music, or doing a tribute post in June - I wonder if people then think my supporting of MJ reflects that I support child molesters, or the 'disbelieving of accusers' or whatever bleeding thing they conjure up in their mind from their perception of him. I was looking forward to posting him this June on social media, but now I'm very conflicted about it. It's still 3 months away and we can see a lot changes in that time, but I was looking forward to seeing people celebrate him this June. I really hope to be wrong but I don't think that'll be happening anymore and it saddens me that these two money-hungry lowlifes have torn up and divided his legacy in the minds of everyone so much.
Hi HIStoric. I understand how you feel. I feel the same way sometimes too...I dont know if this works for you but it sure helps me thinking this way: He can be our secret. I remember watching a J.K. Rowling interview and she was mentioning how a boy approached her when the series were not finished yet. And the boy said to her something like "I didnt want everyone to know about harry potter, i wanted it to be MY book". It was exactly how I felt like reading the books as a kid. So I guess MJ might be that for us for a while. Except a very big secret I guess I am the ultimate optimist
I was thinking along this lines as well, that him being the fantastic person he was will be the "secret" of a select few. That is sad, though. He really doesn't deserve what is done to his memory. He doesn't deserve to be remembered as a monster/pervert by so many people. SMH.
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Mar 31, 2019 17:34:30 GMT
I was at a house party over the weekend and one of my friends asked me had I seen the documentary, I said no but I know what is said in it. I was happy when she responded "I watched about half of the first part and I still don't believe he was a pedo, the parents were acting so weird and I just didn't believe it". She also said that it is so annoying how everyone seemed convinced by it.
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Post by HIStoric on Apr 1, 2019 10:34:47 GMT
Iāve been feeling better about this situation the last few days. Went out for drinks the other night with a mate, topic of MJ came up during predrinks and he said he found the fact he testified in defense to be quite troubling so didnāt exactly believe them. Me in my tipsy greatness spent the next 20-30 minutes breaking down the whole thing. Thankfully he found it interesting (he clarified š) but now he definitely doesnāt believe them. He was shocked how many holes there were and how dodgy they acted in the last few years alone, from hiding emails to dancing after realizing their āabuseā to changing their story about realization whenever it suited their agenda. It was cool too. Later when we were out he brought up how much weight the name āMichael Jacksonā has, just how legendary it is in its own right. Thereās no one like that today he said, and few in history who reach his level. Put a huge smile on my face, this was coming from a guy whoās probably a casual fan at best. Then a family friend asked about him the day after, same thing happened where I spent 10 minutes breaking it down. They said something along the lines of that itās disappointing heās not here to actually respond to them, and that we might never know. They found a lot of what I presented to be suspicious and unusual though, how often things were omitted, how clips were edited, how multiple people in the film have been maliciously portrayed that theyāre not considering sueing, the whole train station thing. Hell the whole money thing. Then I read the comment section of NME about his biographer who found info to disprove some of the claims, the comment section of course had thenā people going āwell what 40 year old sleeps with kids thatās all you have to knowā, theyāll always be there but there were a good amount of people being skeptical about them as well, not believing them. One women was even like āI knew they werenāt real!ā. I guess Iām just glad to see general people who arenāt big fans being skeptical of it, or holding their tongue (for better lack of a term) before I even rip apart the film for them? Thereās always going to be people who believe the worst about him but a lot of people who donāt, or at least go āwell hang on a minuteā. That and seeing MJ references in āUsā, a girl wearing an MJ T-shirt a few days ago too... yeah Iām in a better mood about it right now I hope everyone else is doing alright too. |
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Post by MattyJam on Apr 8, 2019 19:50:36 GMT
Okay, a rant I need to get off my chest...
I hate the term "truther." It's funny how the mainstream media now has a disparaging name for anyone who disagrees with their agenda. Plenty of people out there think MJ was guilty, and as repugnant as I find the notion, I don't lump all those people into one category and call them a name. If you can't treat others with an opposing opinion to your own with at least a modicum of common courtesy then it says far more about you than it does about the people you are trying to undermine.
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Post by SoCav on Apr 8, 2019 21:10:31 GMT
Okay, a rant I need to get off my chest... I hate the term "truther." It's funny how the mainstream media now has a disparaging name for anyone who disagrees with their agenda. Plenty of people out there think MJ was guilty, and as repugnant as I find the notion, I don't lump all those people into one category and call them a name. If you can't treat others with an opposing opinion to your own with at least a modicum of common courtesy then it says far more about you than it does about the people you are trying to undermine. Totally agree. And it's not only unnecessarily disparaging, it's also patently ridiculous. There is no evidence to support the notion that MJ was a pedophile, he was found not guilty in a court of law, and Robson and Safechuck are clearly lacking credibility. To equate us with deluded conspiracy theorists is absurd. |
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Apr 8, 2019 21:19:09 GMT
Okay, a rant I need to get off my chest... I hate the term "truther." It's funny how the mainstream media now has a disparaging name for anyone who disagrees with their agenda. Plenty of people out there think MJ was guilty, and as repugnant as I find the notion, I don't lump all those people into one category and call them a name. If you can't treat others with an opposing opinion to your own with at least a modicum of common courtesy then it says far more about you than it does about the people you are trying to undermine. Totally agree. And it's not only unnecessarily disparaging, it's also patently ridiculous. There is no evidence to support the notion that MJ was a pedophile, he was found not guilty in a court of law, and Robson and Safechuck are clearly lacking credibility. To equate us with deluded conspiracy theorists is absurd. Honestly this whole thing is just head scratching. Have you noticed that there is now a new wave of blue ticks saying they have just watched Leaving Neverland and that everyone should watch it? I have lost all hope that journalism is actually still a real thing. |
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Apr 12, 2019 14:06:10 GMT
Was in a cafe earlier and WBSS came on.
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Apr 15, 2019 21:39:09 GMT
People who are shown clear evidence of Robson and Safechuck not being credible and jsut dismiss it with "they are credible" or "you don't know anything about abuse victims or how they act" properly melt my brain.
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Post by Vega on Apr 15, 2019 21:57:26 GMT
People who are shown clear evidence of Robson and Safechuck not being credible and jsut dismiss it with "they are credible" or "you don't know anything about abuse victims or how they act" properly melt my brain. Twitter? |
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Apr 15, 2019 22:03:26 GMT
People who are shown clear evidence of Robson and Safechuck not being credible and jsut dismiss it with "they are credible" or "you don't know anything about abuse victims or how they act" properly melt my brain. Twitter? Yeah I see it on twitter but on other forums I'm on as well. I just don't understand how people can't see how non credible these guys are. They will make any excuse to believe them. |
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