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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 21:26:04 GMT
Anthony edwards from ER fame? Is apart of that abuse charity and they all turned upto court together.. Urgh. Its all so pathetic. Turning upto court how very obvious and desperate Guardian paper amongst others reporting on it. Any chance to attack mj and bring everything back to the fore front yet again Christ, I did not realise that was Goose from Top Gun!
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Post by amaya on Nov 20, 2019 0:02:12 GMT
Anthony edwards from ER fame? Is apart of that abuse charity and they all turned upto court together.. Urgh. Its all so pathetic. Turning upto court how very obvious and desperate Guardian paper amongst others reporting on it. Any chance to attack mj and bring everything back to the fore front yet again There's definitely more coverage of their case now than there ever was pre-LN. Must be REAL fucking nice for those assholes!
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Post by WildStyle on Nov 20, 2019 0:29:24 GMT
I think many in the media know they are full of shit, but it suits their interests to play along and portray Michael as a monster.
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Post by respect77 on Nov 20, 2019 4:20:26 GMT
You said "you dont see how that matters at all" when I was talking about the legal proceedings so what was I to think!? Of course it'll be bad, but it will not be as bad as 2005 or earlier this year. I've no reason to feel hopeless about this. I'd rather their cases be heard for what they are rather than thrown out on technicalities. I'm only thinking of the endgame, and the shite is just something to go through to get to where everything will be in its right place. Thats what I think I’d rather they just lose and be thrown out. Them going to court again just gives them another chance to spew bullshit, and with all the attention Leaving Neverland receives there’s going to be more eyes on them than ever. The general public don’t follow the details enough to be able to pick apart the details and I don’t trust the media in the slightest to point them out. We got lucky with the train station story getting as big as it did back in March, especially because it’s one of the most straight forward contradictions there is, but many others were left unreported by the media. If it does result in being an absolute train wreck for those two liars, then I’ll gladly take back what I said here but currently all I see is Michael’s name being dragged through the mud in headlines all over the world again.
Agree.
2005 was an absolutely ridiculous case, so ridiculous that not even haters believe it when they are honest to themselves, but look at the polls after the verdict. A vast majority of people believing it was "celebrity justice" and that MJ was guilty. How can you sit through that trial and think the acquittal was anything but the right verdict? Thing is, people didn't sit through it, people just got their impressions of the case from media soundbites which were heavily biased against MJ. But actually looking back there was still more fairness and balance in the coverage then than there is now. It's not that the situation with the media was good then, but it is even much worse now which tells us just how VERY bad it is. That's what MeToo has done. Now you are not even allowed to write an article arguing for the accused's rights for fairness and the presumption of innocence! That's the level of madness we are at now. That you are called a truther and crazy if you don't believe everything at face value that they say in a one-sided documentary. There's no room for healthy skepticism, critical thinking, hell, even if you just want to write an article about the presumption of innocence, you are silenced. Such articles are simply NOT ALLOWED TO BE PUBLISHED. Case in point:
At least in 2005 you still could read some quality legal analysis in mainstream media, at least they still invited talking heads arguing for MJ's side to studio discussions. At least there was still some sense of "you have to give an outlet for both sides", even though the media itself picked a side from the beginning. It is much worse now. MeToo just gave rise to this lynch mob mentality when they don't even feel the need to give an outlet to or even listen to the other side any more. When the mainstream media is just one big guilter echo chamber. When they don't even feel the need to research or to carefully study or even to argue for their side, they just call people to bELieVe. And call everyone who doesn't just believe one-sided allegations crazy, truther etc.
Also this is an utterly unfair case. It's a basic human right since Roman law that anyone accused has the right to face their accusers. It's obvious why that's so. It's utterly unfair to MJ that he is accused while he can't defend himself, can't look these MFers in the eye and these MFers are not forced to look into his eyes while telling their lies about him. Safechuck even admitted he would not make these allegations if MJ was alive. So you are only going after people who can't defend themselves? What a "brave" guy!
They circumvent the acussed's right to face their accuser by suing his companies, but we all know it's MJ who's on trial here. These companies had nothing to do with their alleged abuse. They are making all kind of contrived claims to be able to sue them, like Safechuck claiming that him dancing with MJ on stage on the Bad Tour was "employment". They make all kind of contrived claims to even be able to link their alleged abuse to those companies. Like Norma Staikos putting them on the phone with MJ making her and the companies responsible for their alleged abuse. If it was really about justice and truth they would sue their freaking mothers! They were the ones letting them sleep in MJ's bedroom, not the companies. Even after the Chandler allegations in Robson's case. There was nothing these companies knew that Joy Robson and Stephanie Safechuck did not know as well. Hell, Joy Robson knew about Victor Gutierrez's claims before the companies! She was the one calling Norma about VG to warn MJ! Interesting that Wade omits this little episode from his complaint. But I thought the lawsuit was to call out those responsible? Then why omit this? Because it would point to your mother's responsibility and not the companies' and then you could not sue for big money? But I thought it wasn't about money.
Anyway, since MJ is not here to defend himself, this would be a very unfair trial. Basically one side throwing shit on the other side who doesn't have a voice. Sure, the Estate lawyers will try to point out the lies and inconsistencies, but we already know the accusers have a trump card for all that: tRaUmA. And it is just going to be accepted without any skepticism in this MeToo era. At least in 2005 MJ was here to face his accusers and to assist his defense. After his death his defense him is in a massive disadvantage. And this at a civil trial where the burden of proof is a lot more lax than in a criminal. Where on one side the jury will see real flash and blood people, Wade and James fake crying and all and there will be no human face to the other side, just lawyers. Such things matter too. A jury (or any human) can more easily identify with people they actually see. Since here no one can go to jail and there will be MeToo pressure and media pressure, a jury may feel more inclined to throw them a bone.
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Post by respect77 on Nov 20, 2019 5:24:42 GMT
Anthony edwards from ER fame? Is apart of that abuse charity and they all turned upto court together.. Urgh. Its all so pathetic. Turning upto court how very obvious and desperate Guardian paper amongst others reporting on it. Any chance to attack mj and bring everything back to the fore front yet again He's vice chairman of 1of6, an organization that's been supporting LN from the beginning.
To be honest it is increasingly more and more difficult for me to find any respect for these CSA victim organizations. Their intentions might have been initially good, but I think it's become a huge money making operation with these lawsuits etc. Why on Earth is Edwards and 1in6 invested in this particular case where the accused is dead, anyway? Why isn't he busy suing his own abuser instead?
It's probably because of the publicity it can bring to them. Also I wouldn't be surprised if they gave heart-wrentching testimony in favor of Wade and James (about how often victims come out late etc.) and in case of a win then they would be given a portion of the money as a reward in form of a "donation".
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Post by amaya on Nov 20, 2019 7:02:50 GMT
It's probably because of the publicity it can bring to them. Also I wouldn't be surprised if they gave heart-wrentching testimony in favor of Wade and James (about how often victims come out late etc.) and in case of a win then they would be given a portion of the money as a reward in form of a "donation".
I almost wish that paparazzi didn't ask the question about them making charity donations now... I worry that if they win they will do that to save face and make it where no one would be able to question their motives. It really is unfair how everything is working against Michael right now, especially the law. The law worked against him in 1993/1994 and now it's working against him again. Can we just invent time travel already and go back in time to prevent all of this from ever happening? I don't think I could handle the possibility of the these fuckers winning.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Nov 20, 2019 8:45:44 GMT
Seeing those feckers in the those screen shots at court for some reason has been like a kick in the stomach yet again. More real than just reading.
You would have to laugh if it wasnt so pathetic.imo alot of eye rolling already goes on with these "support groups" esecially outside of the USA where they live in their own little world while the rest of the world looks on shaking their heads and sniggering. These people like edwards are either so thick they dont realise they are been used .so thick they dont even bother looking into accusations to help maintain credibility for real victims that they claim to care about. Dont care cause they crave attention regardless.or hate mj so much .or the best one is they are throwing stones to hide their hands.
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Post by respect77 on Nov 20, 2019 9:53:13 GMT
It's probably because of the publicity it can bring to them. Also I wouldn't be surprised if they gave heart-wrentching testimony in favor of Wade and James (about how often victims come out late etc.) and in case of a win then they would be given a portion of the money as a reward in form of a "donation".
I almost wish that paparazzi didn't ask the question about them making charity donations now... I worry that if they win they will do that to save face and make it where no one would be able to question their motives. It really is unfair how everything is working against Michael right now, especially the law. The law worked against him in 1993/1994 and now it's working against him again. Can we just invent time travel already and go back in time to prevent all of this from ever happening? I don't think I could handle the possibility of the these fuckers winning. I'm pretty sure they would donate some money to the CSA organizations that assist them, whether they were asked this question or not. If they win the millions they want they can afford to throw them a bone to make themselves look good, and of course for the assistance they are getting. I don't think organizations like 1in6 are this invested particularly in this case for nothing. Publicity and money as well, IMO. And for Wade and James it's the "legitimacy" the support of such an organization can give them. Make no mistake, it's a network of support, everyone benefitting ftom the other one way or another. Finaldi knows how to play this game. It's not the paparazzi that will make them realize that they would have to donate some to look good.
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Post by MattyJam on Nov 20, 2019 16:37:38 GMT
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Post by Thriller on Nov 20, 2019 18:56:43 GMT
In one respect I feel as if a trial would be the only way to expose these scumbags and all their lies. However, another part of me (no pun intended) feels a jury would see things as, a. they weren't in the room themselves to know if it happened. b. MJ is dead and therefore nobody's life is on the line. c. The Estate is worth a fortune so let's just rule in favour of the pair and they get some money. d. It's a civil lawsuit. Therefore not every member of the jury has to be convinced for them to win.
And of course, MJ's name takes another hammer blow and we have an Estate who are abysmal at defending him in the public arena.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Nov 20, 2019 21:01:41 GMT
The problem is the lies will only be exposed to us. The mainstream media will do as normal and report only what they want the public to hear.one sided propaganda
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Post by Vega on Nov 20, 2019 22:08:16 GMT
In one respect I feel as if a trial would be the only way to expose these scumbags and all their lies. However, another part of me (no pun intended) feels a jury would see things as, a. they weren't in the room themselves to know if it happened. b. MJ is dead and therefore nobody's life is on the line. c. The Estate is worth a fortune so let's just rule in favour of the pair and they get some money. d. It's a civil lawsuit. Therefore not every member of the jury has to be convinced for them to win. And of course, MJ's name takes another hammer blow and we have an Estate who are abysmal at defending him in the public arena. I would argue that defending him in the public arena and defending him in the courtroom are two very different things that require very different skills. I'm fairly confident that they'll have the best lawyers money can buy.
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Post by Thriller on Nov 20, 2019 22:22:26 GMT
The problem is the lies will only be exposed to us. The mainstream media will do as normal and report only what they want the public to hear.one sided propaganda This is very true. Also, Finaldi and co will leak stories day in day out to the media for further favourable coverage.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 23:21:56 GMT
The problem is the lies will only be exposed to us. The mainstream media will do as normal and report only what they want the public to hear.one sided propaganda This is very true. Also, Finaldi and co will leak stories day in day out to the media for further favourable coverage. Finaldis past history also suggests to me that he may not be quite the lawyer to take on the Estate's lawyers, but I'm no expert. He seems a bit of a Lionel Hutz.
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Post by amaya on Nov 21, 2019 1:02:32 GMT
I almost wish that paparazzi didn't ask the question about them making charity donations now... I worry that if they win they will do that to save face and make it where no one would be able to question their motives. It really is unfair how everything is working against Michael right now, especially the law. The law worked against him in 1993/1994 and now it's working against him again. Can we just invent time travel already and go back in time to prevent all of this from ever happening? I don't think I could handle the possibility of the these fuckers winning. I'm pretty sure they would donate some money to the CSA organizations that assist them, whether they were asked this question or not. If they win the millions they want they can afford to throw them a bone to make themselves look good, and of course for the assistance they are getting. I don't think organizations like 1in6 are this invested particularly in this case for nothing. Publicity and money as well, IMO. And for Wade and James it's the "legitimacy" the support of such an organization can give them. Make no mistake, it's a network of support, everyone benefitting ftom the other one way or another. Finaldi knows how to play this game. It's not the paparazzi that will make them realize that they would have to donate some to look good. That is true. It's just so scary how calculated all of this is. In one respect I feel as if a trial would be the only way to expose these scumbags and all their lies. However, another part of me (no pun intended) feels a jury would see things as, a. they weren't in the room themselves to know if it happened. b. MJ is dead and therefore nobody's life is on the line. c. The Estate is worth a fortune so let's just rule in favour of the pair and they get some money. d. It's a civil lawsuit. Therefore not every member of the jury has to be convinced for them to win. And of course, MJ's name takes another hammer blow and we have an Estate who are abysmal at defending him in the public arena. And to many, it would be the equivalent of a guilty verdict, and that would truly be the end. No more new projects, no new releases, and the fanbase could eventually dissolve due to pressure and discouragement from the outside.
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