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Post by Thriller on Nov 21, 2019 5:08:51 GMT
No time in four hours for Reed to 'discover who enabled and covered up their abuse' though. No time for their lawsuit whatsoever... conveniently.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 6:08:52 GMT
I'm pretty sure they would donate some money to the CSA organizations that assist them, whether they were asked this question or not. If they win the millions they want they can afford to throw them a bone to make themselves look good, and of course for the assistance they are getting. I don't think organizations like 1in6 are this invested particularly in this case for nothing. Publicity and money as well, IMO. And for Wade and James it's the "legitimacy" the support of such an organization can give them. Make no mistake, it's a network of support, everyone benefitting ftom the other one way or another. Finaldi knows how to play this game. It's not the paparazzi that will make them realize that they would have to donate some to look good. That is true. It's just so scary how calculated all of this is. In one respect I feel as if a trial would be the only way to expose these scumbags and all their lies. However, another part of me (no pun intended) feels a jury would see things as, a. they weren't in the room themselves to know if it happened. b. MJ is dead and therefore nobody's life is on the line. c. The Estate is worth a fortune so let's just rule in favour of the pair and they get some money. d. It's a civil lawsuit. Therefore not every member of the jury has to be convinced for them to win. And of course, MJ's name takes another hammer blow and we have an Estate who are abysmal at defending him in the public arena. And to many, it would be the equivalent of a guilty verdict, and that would truly be the end. No more new projects, no new releases, and the fanbase could eventually dissolve due to pressure and discouragement from the outside. What's with the overwhelming dread and doom!? None of the above would happen! It would have happened already. Just to cheer you up. He will always have support.
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Post by amaya on Nov 21, 2019 6:35:06 GMT
That is true. It's just so scary how calculated all of this is. And to many, it would be the equivalent of a guilty verdict, and that would truly be the end. No more new projects, no new releases, and the fanbase could eventually dissolve due to pressure and discouragement from the outside. What's with the overwhelming dread and doom!? None of the above would happen! It would have happened already. Just to cheer you up. He will always have support. It's just hard to stay positive when you see how this stuff is taking over the mainstream and, once again, no one is questioning it. I wish I had your optimism and do appreciate it. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by respect77 on Nov 21, 2019 7:58:22 GMT
That is true. It's just so scary how calculated all of this is. And to many, it would be the equivalent of a guilty verdict, and that would truly be the end. No more new projects, no new releases, and the fanbase could eventually dissolve due to pressure and discouragement from the outside. What's with the overwhelming dread and doom!? None of the above would happen! It would have happened already. Just to cheer you up. He will always have support. Yeah, while I am not anticipating a trial as it is easy to see how a civil trial can go wrong, but I disagree with Amaya about this doom and gloom mood re. MJ's legacy. Those believing in his innocence will continue to do so. Those believing in his guilt will continue to do so. Most will either not care one way or another or "separate the artist and art". There were predictions of LN ending MJ's legacy and it actually hardly made any impact in that regard. His streams and sales are just as high as before. Thriller was used at Halloween just as much as before, if not more. Radios that were quick to virtue signal initially are now back to playing him again. Here were I live participants continue to perform his songs on talent shows. Yesterday they just had an interview with Brad Sundberg here on TV (they made it when he was here a couple of weeks ago) and it was a very positive report. They mentioned the allegations but they alluded to them being fishy, actually. This is the same TV channel and program that treated LN as a fact just a couple of months ago. The general public is actually very fickle.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 8:01:37 GMT
What's with the overwhelming dread and doom!? None of the above would happen! It would have happened already. Just to cheer you up. He will always have support. Yeah, while I am not anticipating a trial as it is easy to see how a civil trial can go wrong, but I disagree with Amaya about this doom and gloom mood re. MJ's legacy. Those believing in his innocence will continue to do so. Those believing in his guilt will continue to do so. Most will either not care one way or another or "separate the artist and art". There were predictions of LN ending MJ's legacy and it actually hardly made any impact in that regard. His streams and sales are just as high as before. Thriller was used at Halloween just as much as before, if not more. Radios that were quick to virtue signal initially are now back to playing him again. Here were I live participants continue to perform his songs on talent shows. Yesterday they just had an interview with Brad Sundberg here on TV (they made it when he was here a couple of weeks ago) and it was a very positive report. They mentioned the allegations but they alluded to them being fishy, actually. This is the same TV channel and program that treated LN as a fact just a couple of months ago. The general public is actually very fickle. Testify. This is definitely the place to come with fears and doubts about the future, but your post above is what we need to keep at the forefront!
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Post by MattyJam on Nov 21, 2019 8:04:05 GMT
What's with the overwhelming dread and doom!? None of the above would happen! It would have happened already. Just to cheer you up. He will always have support. It's just hard to stay positive when you see how this stuff is taking over the mainstream and, once again, no one is questioning it. I wish I had your optimism and do appreciate it. Thanks for sharing. A guilty verdict would indeed be a massive blow to MJs legacy and his fans. But whether it would be "the end", I truly doubt it. The fans have seen through Wade and James since day one. There is already a plethora of facts out there which expose these asshats and their ludicrous allegations and this is without a trial. IF it were to go to trial (which it almost definitely wouldn't for Safechuck and is still dubious for Wade), their lies would be exposed even more, and it would take a very naive and biased jury to reach a verdict in their favour. The fans know the truth and will have MJs back no matter what. They predicted Leaving Neverland would be the end, but fans and even much of the general public didn't fall for it. Then they said about how damaging it would be for the documentary to be legitimized by an Emmy win, but it happened, and made zero impact. The fans stick by MJ because they know the facts and facts, unlike Wade and James's stories, don't change.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 8:15:01 GMT
It's just hard to stay positive when you see how this stuff is taking over the mainstream and, once again, no one is questioning it. I wish I had your optimism and do appreciate it. Thanks for sharing. A guilty verdict would indeed be a massive blow to MJs legacy and his fans. But whether it would be "the end", I truly doubt it. The fans have seen through Wade and James since day one. There is already a plethora of facts out there which expose these asshats and their ludicrous allegations and this is without a trial. IF it were to go to trial (which it almost definitely wouldn't for Safechuck and is still dubious for Wade), their lies would be exposed even more, and it would take a very naive and biased jury to reach a verdict in their favour. The fans know the truth and will have MJs back no matter what. They predicted Leaving Neverland would be the end, but fans and even much of the general public didn't fall for it. Then they said about how damaging it would be for the documentary to be legitimized by an Emmy win, but it happened, and made zero impact. The fans stick by MJ because they know the facts and facts, unlike Wade and James's stories, don't change. Exactly, it has to even get to trial first!
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Nov 21, 2019 10:33:37 GMT
Why are these two allowed to even use this law. Surely its for people who couldnt sue due to the statue of limitations been up. They havnt lost out because of the law.they had their day in court and lost. That should be it.
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Post by respect77 on Nov 21, 2019 10:56:28 GMT
No time in four hours for Reed to 'discover who enabled and covered up their abuse' though. No time for their lawsuit whatsoever... conveniently. Funny how they were so eager to shout their "truth" in LN that they haven't even mentioned this supposed cover up that their lawsuit is all about. If MJ's companies were the most sophisticated CSA mafia the world has known, how come this very important detail doesn't even get a mention while they are sharing their "truth"? I'm telling you why: because if they blamed these companies and Norma instead of their mothers in LN the world would have immediately seen that it was all about the money after all.
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Post by Snow White on Nov 21, 2019 12:41:18 GMT
No time in four hours for Reed to 'discover who enabled and covered up their abuse' though. No time for their lawsuit whatsoever... conveniently. Funny how they were so eager to shout their "truth" in LN that they haven't even mentioned this supposed cover up that their lawsuit is all about. If MJ's companies were the most sophisticated CSA mafia the world has known, how come this very important detail doesn't even get a mention while they are sharing their "truth"? I'm telling you why: because if they blamed these companies and Norma instead of their mothers in LN the world would have immediately seen that it was all about the money after all. Michael and Bill Bray were easy targets because they're dead but Norma and Eevy are alive and can sue for defamation. In LN it made more sense and they made it more believable blaming their mothers.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 17:39:41 GMT
Fair play to the guy!
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Post by respect77 on Nov 26, 2019 6:04:53 GMT
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Post by Thriller on Nov 26, 2019 9:00:12 GMT
In this interview Reed also deems the accounts 'incredibly mutually consistent'. This shows how he's being purposefully obtuse and he either didn't do proper research or chooses to ignore it. Wade right in front of Reed claims when reflecting on a video of him defending MJ as a child, 'I knew it was true but I couldn't let myself go there' and how in 2005 he defended MJ as he feared the 'truth' coming out. Yet then says 'I didn't realise it was abuse.' You have added claims such as a sex tape MJ destroyed (James) and bloody underwear (Wade) that in years of court documents, and in Wade's case a deposition, was never claimed. James said he couldn't sleep yet his wife said all he did was sleep. How the Safechucks formed a friendship with MJ differs entirely from the claim in court. 'Incredibly mututally consistent.' Reed also said the 'series of letters' (referring to the Estate) had 'contain nothing at all of concern'. The letter from the Estate to HBO cited how Wade lied to get around the statute of limitations and hid evidence in the form of a book and emails from the courts. Why let lying under oath get in the way of a love story, eh?
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Post by Russg on Nov 26, 2019 15:35:12 GMT
I have a question. I don't usually condone violence, but if you could smack one of these two dipshits in the face, which one would it be? For me, I'd have to go with James. As psychotic as I believe Wade to be, there's something about James's faux doe-eyed, butter-wouldnt-melt act that makes me wanna rip his small intestine out his mouth and rip his large intestine out his butt, and use him as a skipping rope.
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Post by Cloudbuster on Nov 26, 2019 16:31:27 GMT
I have a question. I don't usually condone violence, but if you could smack one of these two dipshits in the face, which one would it be? For me, I'd have to go with James. As psychotic as I believe Wade to be, there's something about James's faux doe-eyed, butter-wouldnt-melt act that makes me wanna rip his small intestine out his mouth and rip his large intestine out his butt, and use him as a skipping rope. LAWD
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