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Post by Liberian Girl on Feb 15, 2019 6:35:07 GMT
I can't believe there is a "Supporters of Wade Robson & other Victims of MJ" page on Facebook. It has nearly 20,000 Likes. The shit on there makes my blood boil. Idiots there with no intelligent argument other than "Believe the victims." Ugh. m.facebook.com/waderobsonsupporters/
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 6:42:20 GMT
I can't believe there is a "Supporters of Wade Robson & other Victims of MJ" page on Facebook. It has nearly 20,000 Likes. The shit on there makes my blood boil. Idiots there with no intelligent argument other than "Believe the victims." Ugh. m.facebook.com/waderobsonsupporters/Ah ignore that. There'll be plenty more. If this guy had accused a member of anymore their members families, they'd be much quicker to check his credibility.
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Post by Liberian Girl on Feb 15, 2019 6:45:05 GMT
I just find it depressing, the sheer number of support a page like this can get. Makes me worried for the impact of the documentary...things can only get worse.
Can you believe they think Jordy describing MJs penis is something they think is evidence?? They haven't obviously seen the picture which is a joke.
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Post by HIStoric on Feb 15, 2019 6:51:23 GMT
I can't believe there is a "Supporters of Wade Robson & other Victims of MJ" page on Facebook. It has nearly 20,000 Likes.The shit on there makes my blood boil. Idiots there with no intelligent argument other than "Believe the victims." Ugh. m.facebook.com/waderobsonsupporters/All those likes are bought. You don't have 20,000 legitimate followers and struggle to get more than 5-10 likes on a post. There's even a post with only 2 reactions - a whopping 0.01% of their "followers".
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 7:11:50 GMT
I can't believe there is a "Supporters of Wade Robson & other Victims of MJ" page on Facebook. It has nearly 20,000 Likes.The shit on there makes my blood boil. Idiots there with no intelligent argument other than "Believe the victims." Ugh. m.facebook.com/waderobsonsupporters/All those likes are bought. You don't have 20,000 legitimate followers and struggle to get more than 5-10 likes on a post. There's even a post with only 2 reactions - a whopping 0.01% of their "followers".
Oh, good point.
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Post by mjjfan810 on Feb 15, 2019 7:23:38 GMT
Am I in denial holding out that the documentary will still get pulled? I just find it hard to believe that there isn't an angle the estate/family can use to stop this from airing. They have access to the best lawyers in the industry, surely there's something they can do?
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Post by respect77 on Feb 15, 2019 7:30:03 GMT
I can't believe there is a "Supporters of Wade Robson & other Victims of MJ" page on Facebook. It has nearly 20,000 Likes. The shit on there makes my blood boil. Idiots there with no intelligent argument other than "Believe the victims." Ugh. m.facebook.com/waderobsonsupporters/This was already addressed by fan blogs long time ago. Those are likely bought "likes". (Yes, you can do that.) It is the same handful of people in reality. Those likes are not recent either. This is a guy Mike Parr, who is plain and simple, an MJ hater. Don't fall for things like this.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Feb 15, 2019 10:12:45 GMT
See posters on mjjc showing that lucas is doing a jack perriti and trying to claim he was a fan inorder to make his belief in the film more credible. The fans are pulling up loads of quotes from him over the years attacking mj showing hes always been a hater😂
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Post by Liberian Girl on Feb 15, 2019 10:14:59 GMT
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Post by respect77 on Feb 15, 2019 11:04:28 GMT
Unfortunately I can see the media twist it into something else. I have doubts about the story anyway. Garrett is a junkie, and frankly, no one would care about his book unless he puts little hooks in it like this about better known celebrities.
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Post by danm on Feb 15, 2019 12:42:52 GMT
My sentiments are somewhat similar to that of Russg’s. It’s not that the documentary or its rave reviews have me feeling precarious, but “convincing” the public at large, or rather non-fans, of the misinformation conveyed in the movie, will take more than a deluge of facts that were conveniently omitted from the film. Note that those who have spoken in favor of Leaving Neverland do so not because it is “accurate” or “informative”, but because it’s “powerful” and “well crafted”. It maximizes the emotional response of the audience so as to ensure those who watch the film (especially those uninformed) will process it emotionally rather than logically. This is why the movie is so shockingly graphic and descriptive after the first 30-45 minutes, and this is also why (IIRC) violinists were used during the screenings to accompany the movie’s already dejecting atmosphere. It’s to hold sway over the emotions of the audience. It’s to leave the viewer so indelibly grief stricken that there’s no way someone could emerge from the theater without sympathizing with Wade and James and condemning MJ to be a criminal of heinous proportions. In short, LN goes for the heartstrings and that’s why the movie needs to be rebutted with more than just facts. Something drastic would have to happen to shake people out of the belief seemingly confirmed or enforced by LN. As stated before me, it’s often underestimated just how potent belief can be. People will still believe all sorts of illogical and incoherent stories, regardless of how factual they are. This is because such stories speak to something more profound and base than cognitive functions and that’s human emotion. I honestly worry that whatever the Estate and Taj have in the works, will overaccentuate facts and as a result will end up underwhelming and unsuccessful. Of course false allegations can permanently destroy one’s career or even the will for those accused to live. But sadly, with MJ being gone nearly a decade, the worst LN can do is lay ruin to his legacy, indefinitely.
I think it has to be BOTH showing the lies and inconsistencies in their claims and going for the heartstrings. The latter is done by showing MJ's true personality through the accounts of people who knew him - preferably by people who knew him as kids, like Brett and Mac etc. To show that what MJ was not grooming but he was generous like that with everyone. To show that those kind, inspirational words on those faxes were just how kind and inspirational he was with everyone etc. With that you refute the narrative in the film, but also go for the heartstrings by representing MJ as the kind, considerate, generous human being that he really was. It is not irrelevant in this context, as this "documentary" uses exactly MJ's generosity and twists it into something else.
Something else we have to consider here - these are not new abuse claims. They were made public 6 years ago. So why is it only causing such a splash now? Because with the help of Dan Reed, they’ve made a graphic documentary that is designed to shock and horrify people. Yet these disgusting claims have been in the public domain for many years, however didn’t get that much attention in the media. So why didn’t this get much attention before now? Largely, in my opinion, because Wade and Safechuck’s claims were so unbelievable and because they’d changed their stories whilst at the same time suing his Estate for money. Most people watching LN won’t realise that fact, but it should continually be spelt out to them - they had always denied abuse, with Wade in particular effusively praising and lauding Jackson before and after his death. He wanted to work on MJ projects until a year before his supposed realisation. He then changed his story and filed a creditors claim and lawsuit seeking significant monetary damages. To most rational people, all of the above would cast serious doubt on their allegations. Which is why the facts DO matter. No one here and no one connected with the Jackson family or the Estate can prove a negative, that it didn’t happen. Yes, we can highlight MJ’s acts of generosity, his kind hearted nature etc etc and have the likes of Brett Barnes and Mac defend him, but ultimately that won’t do too much. People could easily say, “it doesn’t matter, because he could still have abused Wade and Jimmy”. That’s why their own credibilities have to be destroyed. That can only be done through facts.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Feb 15, 2019 13:00:40 GMT
Never heard of this leif person. But it will certainly be twisted. I highly doubt mj,growing up around his bros didnt know what it was
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Post by respect77 on Feb 15, 2019 13:10:12 GMT
I think it has to be BOTH showing the lies and inconsistencies in their claims and going for the heartstrings. The latter is done by showing MJ's true personality through the accounts of people who knew him - preferably by people who knew him as kids, like Brett and Mac etc. To show that what MJ was not grooming but he was generous like that with everyone. To show that those kind, inspirational words on those faxes were just how kind and inspirational he was with everyone etc. With that you refute the narrative in the film, but also go for the heartstrings by representing MJ as the kind, considerate, generous human being that he really was. It is not irrelevant in this context, as this "documentary" uses exactly MJ's generosity and twists it into something else.
Something else we have to consider here - these are not new abuse claims. They were made public 6 years ago. So why is it only causing such a splash now? Because with the help of Dan Reed, they’ve made a graphic documentary that is designed to shock and horrify people. Yet these disgusting claims have been in the public domain for many years, however didn’t get that much attention in the media. So why didn’t this get much attention before now? Largely, in my opinion, because Wade and Safechuck’s claims were so unbelievable and because they’d changed their stories whilst at the same time suing his Estate for money. Most people watching LN won’t realise that fact, but it should continually be spelt out to them - they had always denied abuse, with Wade in particular effusively praising and lauding Jackson before and after his death. He wanted to work on MJ projects until a year before his supposed realisation. He then changed his story and filed a creditors claim and lawsuit seeking significant monetary damages. To most rational people, all of the above would cast serious doubt on their allegations. Which is why the facts DO matter. No one here and no one connected with the Jackson family or the Estate can prove a negative, that it didn’t happen. Yes, we can highlight MJ’s acts of generosity, his kind hearted nature etc etc and have the likes of Brett Barnes and Mac defend him, but ultimately that won’t do too much. People could easily say, “it doesn’t matter, because he could still have abused Wade and Jimmy”. That’s why their own credibilities have to be destroyed. That can only be done through facts. That's why I'm saying do BOTH. Neither is as powerful in itself as the two parts (facts, heartstrings) are together.
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Post by Snow White on Feb 15, 2019 13:12:32 GMT
Apparently the bus thing will happen because Chinese fans donated much of the amount. It will accomplish nothing positive, TBH but giving publicity to this abomination.
As for Leif Garrett, I don't think he's reliable either. He left a friend paraplegic because he was DUI of drugs.
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Post by respect77 on Feb 15, 2019 13:14:56 GMT
Never heard of this leif person. But it will certainly be twisted. I highly doubt mj,growing up around his bros didnt know what it was Yeah, Janet said MJ taught her about the birds and the bees. So how would he not know? Lol. Leif Garrett is a 70s teen idol. Since then he's been in and out of rehab all his life. I don't think anyone would care about a book by him in 2019 if he didn't drop some hooks like this about more relevant celebrities like MJ. If they are dead, it's even better as they can't say anything.
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