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Post by aazzaabb on Sept 29, 2017 18:54:25 GMT
Just saw a commercial for Scream in the ad break for Corrie. Yes, I watch Corrie. Was very surreal hearing Dangerous on the telly unexpectedly. I haven't watched Corrie in an age but RIP poor old Vera Duckworth. Her and Jack were great in that show.
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Post by aazzaabb on Sept 29, 2017 18:59:44 GMT
^^Well YOU care, quite clearly. I care also. We are lifelong fans, we are the ones who will always care. I don't know, I'm just beginning to feel their beginning to take too many liberties with his music. I mean what is the point of this remix? I'm not here to stir and divide, but a line has to be drawn somewhere, doesn't it? And I'll be honest, as a lifelong fan it's beginning to upset me a little. It's not "taking liberties with his music". It is a remix released on YouTube. Big deal. Remixes are done all the time. Both fan made and official ones. Some good, some bad. No one claims these to be MJ's original music, so I don't get what is there to be upset about? I don't like it but I don't like most remixes. And like Tony said, it is not like horrible remixes weren't released during MJ's lifetime. Thriller 25, anyone? BOTDF, anyone? Remember The Time, In The Closet etc. remixes that featured on the single CDs, anyone? Some good, some bad. Did that kill or cheapen his legacy like some are claiming now? As long as they don't claim this to be MJ's original music, I don't care if someone made a remix of Thriller. I won't listen to it, but I also won't make a big hoopla about it. Is it a cheap way to try to reach current audiences? Maybe. But so were the single remixes back in the day when single CDs were still a thing. So was Thriller 25. So was the second half of BOTDF. We'll have to just agree to disagree Respect. Its an absolute liberty and a bit of a piss take. I never claimed to love the remixes on T25 or Blood On The Dance Floor, but that shouldn't mean just release any old crap regardless. There's no big hoopla really, just an opinion.
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Post by MattyJam on Sept 29, 2017 19:03:09 GMT
Just saw a commercial for Scream in the ad break for Corrie. Yes, I watch Corrie. Was very surreal hearing Dangerous on the telly unexpectedly. I haven't watched Corrie in an age but RIP poor old Vera Duckworth. Her and Jack were great in that show. I wager that this is the first and only time Vera Duckworth has been mentioned on an MJ board.
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Post by aazzaabb on Sept 29, 2017 19:09:23 GMT
I haven't watched Corrie in an age but RIP poor old Vera Duckworth. Her and Jack were great in that show. I wager that this is the first and only time Vera Duckworth has been mentioned on an MJ board. This is what we do! Innovate, create and push the envelope! We're not just a bunch of online geeks here, we're changing the world.
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Post by respect77 on Sept 29, 2017 19:10:36 GMT
It's not "taking liberties with his music". It is a remix released on YouTube. Big deal. Remixes are done all the time. Both fan made and official ones. Some good, some bad. No one claims these to be MJ's original music, so I don't get what is there to be upset about? I don't like it but I don't like most remixes. And like Tony said, it is not like horrible remixes weren't released during MJ's lifetime. Thriller 25, anyone? BOTDF, anyone? Remember The Time, In The Closet etc. remixes that featured on the single CDs, anyone? Some good, some bad. Did that kill or cheapen his legacy like some are claiming now? As long as they don't claim this to be MJ's original music, I don't care if someone made a remix of Thriller. I won't listen to it, but I also won't make a big hoopla about it. Is it a cheap way to try to reach current audiences? Maybe. But so were the single remixes back in the day when single CDs were still a thing. So was Thriller 25. So was the second half of BOTDF. We'll have to just agree to disagree Respect. Its an absolute liberty and a bit of a piss take. I never claimed to love the remixes on T25 or Blood On The Dance Floor, but that shouldn't mean just release any old crap regardless. There's no big hoopla really, just an opinion. I didn't mean you making a hoopla, but many on FB do and it is annoying. Also many claims there are simply untrue and also totally unfair. You can tell they are not there for constructive criticism, just for another Estate bash-fest. And you can tell that many who are bashing don't even freaking know what the album is about and what is its content. And this attitude makes it difficult to take fans seriously even when they actually do have a point to criticize IMO. The Estate's post isn't even about this remix but simply the release of the Scream album. And that remix isn't even on the album.
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Post by aazzaabb on Sept 29, 2017 19:21:25 GMT
We'll have to just agree to disagree Respect. Its an absolute liberty and a bit of a piss take. I never claimed to love the remixes on T25 or Blood On The Dance Floor, but that shouldn't mean just release any old crap regardless. There's no big hoopla really, just an opinion. I didn't mean you making a hoopla, but many on FB do and it is annoying. Also many claims there are simply untrue and also totally unfair. You can tell they are not there for constructive criticism, just for another Estate bash-fest. And you can tell that many who are bashing don't even freaking know what the album is about and what is its content. And this attitude makes it difficult to take fans seriously even when they actually do have a point to criticize IMO. The Estate's post isn't even about this remix but simply the release of the Scream album. And that remix isn't even on the album. Hey, I totally get you and feel your frustration. I had to come off Twitter because of it. Fans were being called "scabs" for supporting the Scream album and I was just reading endless streams of "Purists" ranting about how people supporting are docile willng accpters of allowing the estate and sony do whatever they want. And yes, many many people crawl out of their little hole in the ground to cause upset. I would never tell you what to do because you're an intelligent person, but perhaps hang back on reading all the comments for sake of enjoying your fandom.
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Post by aazzaabb on Sept 29, 2017 22:05:32 GMT
Anyone from here buy Scream today? Any thoughts on it such as the mastering, packaging?
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Post by jaywonder on Sept 29, 2017 23:47:13 GMT
I didn't mean you making a hoopla, but many on FB do and it is annoying. Also many claims there are simply untrue and also totally unfair. You can tell they are not there for constructive criticism, just for another Estate bash-fest. And you can tell that many who are bashing don't even freaking know what the album is about and what is its content. And this attitude makes it difficult to take fans seriously even when they actually do have a point to criticize IMO. The Estate's post isn't even about this remix but simply the release of the Scream album. And that remix isn't even on the album. Hey, I totally get you and feel your frustration. I had to come off Twitter because of it. Fans were being called "scabs" for supporting the Scream album and I was just reading endless streams of "Purists" ranting about how people supporting are docile willng accpters of allowing the estate and sony do whatever they want. And yes, many many people crawl out of their little hole in the ground to cause upset. I would never tell you what to do because you're an intelligent person, but perhaps hang back on reading all the comments for sake of enjoying your fandom. It's the same 3 or 4 people and I'll say this: They have caused so much damn division in this fanbase, it's frustrating. I read they were going to be at the London screening boycotting and calling people scabs. If I had been there and they had said to me, they would've been leaving with a black eye each lol
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Post by aazzaabb on Sept 30, 2017 0:00:54 GMT
Hey, I totally get you and feel your frustration. I had to come off Twitter because of it. Fans were being called "scabs" for supporting the Scream album and I was just reading endless streams of "Purists" ranting about how people supporting are docile willng accpters of allowing the estate and sony do whatever they want. And yes, many many people crawl out of their little hole in the ground to cause upset. I would never tell you what to do because you're an intelligent person, but perhaps hang back on reading all the comments for sake of enjoying your fandom. It's the same 3 or 4 people and I'll say this: They have caused so much damn division in this fanbase, it's frustrating. I read they were going to be at the London screening boycotting and calling people scabs. If I had been there and they had said to me, they would've been leaving with a black eye each lol Yeah, I was taken aback by the "scab" remarks. I can understand a certain view about the launch parties being prehaps a little industry laden and politically biassed in favour of Sony,but don't come out and call fans scabs. That's quite nasty. And no need to cause further division among fans when their quarrel is with Sony.
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Post by jaywonder on Sept 30, 2017 0:25:50 GMT
I'm one of the fans who actually likes remixes, but I want them to be done well. The problem I have with a lot of remixes is that many feel generic and piss poor.
Examples: Johnny Vicious' remixes of Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' 2008 (which was already terrible) Afrojack and Pitbull's remixes of Bad One More Chance (Ford Remix)- for those who don't know, that's NOT Michael on the vocals. Those are R. Kelly's original vocals pitched up. One More Chance (Slang Remix) Hollywood Tonight (Chuckie Remix)- an true example of generic remixes Hollywood Tonight (Jody Den Broeder Remixes) Hollywood Tonight (Yianni Walk of Fame Remix) Love Never Felt So Good (Fedde Le Grande Remix)- It's what you would hear at a EDM concert
There are some WONDERFUL remixes of his work and while I've seen go on and on about how none of the remixes of his work are any good, these make me disagree Don't Stop Til You Get Enough (Masters At Work Remix) Rock With You (Frankie Knuckles' Favorite Club Mix)- This remix is ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS Rock With You (Masters at Work Remix) Off The Wall (Junior Vasquez Remix) Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' (Tommy D's Main Mix) Billie Jean (Four on The Floor Remix) Jam (Roger's Club Mix) Jam (E Smoove's Jazzy Jam) Jam (Silky Remixes) In The Closet (The Newark Remix) Who Is It (Brothers In Rhythm House Mix) They Don't Care About Us (Love to Infinity's Classic Paradise Remix) They Don't Care About Us (Love to Infinity's Walk In The Park Remix) They Don't Care About Us (Dallas Austin Main Mix) This Time Around (Maurice Club Around Mix)
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Post by jaywonder on Sept 30, 2017 0:30:34 GMT
It's the same 3 or 4 people and I'll say this: They have caused so much damn division in this fanbase, it's frustrating. I read they were going to be at the London screening boycotting and calling people scabs. If I had been there and they had said to me, they would've been leaving with a black eye each lol Yeah, I was taken aback by the "scab" remarks. I can understand a certain view about the launch parties being prehaps a little industry laden and politically biassed in favour of Sony,but don't come out and call fans scabs. That's quite nasty. And no need to cause further division among fans when their quarrel is with Sony. I wasn't. They've been attacking fellow fans for some time. I helped found a MJ forum on Facebook and I and my friend were accused by them of being "shills for the estate" (they didn't know my name LOL) but when they asked why they felt that way, it was because someone (We found out it was "B Marco") told them we were in favor of the estate and supported the Cascio songs, when I and others in the group were vocal about our disdain about the songs LOL. It was all because he joined the group and immediately flooded the page with posts about Branca and when we asked him to relax with all the posts he got snarky. So one of the other admins removed him. Petty crap from those guys, I swear
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Post by HIStoric on Sept 30, 2017 3:52:22 GMT
The Thriller remix isn't bad, but it doesn't reach it's full potential I feel. The drop isn't enough of a pay off.
Steve Aoki has been a name I've seen cropping up over and over again so can definitely see it being played at parties/clubs etc.
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Post by Snow White on Sept 30, 2017 4:36:44 GMT
Glad that remix wasn't included in the album, it's absolutely horrendous. The mash-up is a lot better.
What respect77 and co. were commenting, is the reason why I've abstained to read the comments on fb, some fans out there are insufferable to the point of feeling partially disgusted of the MJ fandom. These people accuse the estate of being money hungry but many estates that represent famous people make money off the image, likeness, products of these famous acts. I guess Queen fans don't buy new concerts, compilations, what have you because Freddie's estate must be money hungry. The same would go for other prominent estates such as John Lennon's, Elvis Presley's, Charles Schulz', etc, etc.
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Post by jaywonder on Sept 30, 2017 5:25:22 GMT
Since people complain about the releases... yes they can be better, A LOT better. The estate has to figure out how to balance catering to the hardcore long term fans and the casual listeners, but when it comes to quanity, they've done well. Look at the first 8 years of Michael's passing
This Is It (US #1, US R&B #1, UK #3) Michael (US #3, US R&B #1, UK #4) Immortal (US #24, US R&B #5, UK #65) Bad 25 (US #23, UK #6) Xscape (US #2, US R&B #1, UK #1) Off The Wall reissue Scream
Look at how many releases RCA put out in the first 8 years of Elvis's passing with their chart positions (Yeah I went through the research lol) Elvis Presley 1977-1984 Elvis in Concert (US #5, UK #13) He Walks Beside Me (US #113, UK #37) Mahalo from Elvis Elvis: A Canadian Tribute (US #86) Elvis Sings for Children and Grownups Too (US #130) Our Memories of Elvis (US #132, UK #72) Our Memories of Elvis Volume 2 (US #157) Elvis Aron Presley (Box Set) (US #27, UK #21) Elvis: A Legendary Performer Volume 3 (US #113, #43) This Is Elvis (US #115, UK #47) Elvis: Greatest Hits Volume 1 (US #142) The Elvis Medley (US #133) Memories of Christmas I Was The One (US #183, UK #83)) Elvis: A Legendary Performer Volume 4 (US #202, UK#91) Elvis: The First Live Recordings (US #163, UK #69) Elvis: The Hillbilly Cat Elvisโ Gold Records Volume 5 (US #207) A Golden Celebration (boxset) (US #80)
Tupac Shakur 1996-2004 R U Still Down? (Remember Me) (US #2, US R&B #1, UK #44) Greatest Hits (US #3, US R&B #1, UK #17) Still I Rise (US #6, US R&B #2, UK #75) The Rose That Grew from Concrete (US #89, US R&B #28) Until The End of Time (US #1, US R&B #1, UK #33) Better Dayz (US #5, US R&B #1, UK #68) The Prophet: The Best of The Works Nu Mixx Klazzics (US #15, US R&B #5, UK #114) Tupac: Resurrection (US #2, US R&B #3, UK #62) Loyal To The Game (US #9, US R&B #3, UK #90) 2Pac Live (US #54, US R&B #16, UK #67)
If you want to check out an estate putting out countless releases, check out how many albums have been released from Frank Zappa's archives, 12 of them being released in the first 8 years of his passing
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Post by Thriller on Sept 30, 2017 6:26:20 GMT
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