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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2020 19:20:01 GMT
We're just worlds apart because I can't even fathom which songs on Invincible could come even close to Who Is It, Will You Be There or even In The Closet for that matter! Nothing on Invincible is as good as Who Is It. I agree with that. Speechless is as good as WYBT imho. YRMW and Unbreakble as good as In The Closet. And the "lesser" tracks on Invincible are all (mostly) quality. Give me stuff like Heaven Can Wait, Don't Walk Away, Heartbreaker, Privacy etc over Gone Too Soon, SDMW, CLHGA and WYWTOM any day of the week. Cool. We've come to a wall anyway. |
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Post by MattyJam on Oct 31, 2020 19:22:54 GMT
Can I make the point that Michael's 'failed' comeback sold ten million. And he didn't have to appear on CD:UK either. Although Prince got to meet the lovely Cat Deeley, so who's the real winner? |
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Post by TonyR on Oct 31, 2020 19:25:31 GMT
Can I make the point that Michael's 'failed' comeback sold ten million. And he didn't have to appear on CD:UK either. Although Prince got to meet the lovely Cat Deeley, so who's the real winner? Always disappointed Prince didn't go for a 'Cat, we need you to rap.' gag. |
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Post by MattyJam on Oct 31, 2020 19:29:00 GMT
And he didn't have to appear on CD:UK either. Although Prince got to meet the lovely Cat Deeley, so who's the real winner? Always disappointed Prince didn't go for a 'Cat, we need you to rap.' gag. Prince isn't Tony R when it comes to clever puns. |
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Post by TonyR on Oct 31, 2020 19:33:18 GMT
Always disappointed Prince didn't go for a 'Cat, we need you to rap.' gag. Prince isn't Tony R when it comes to clever puns. He's not, he'd probably say something about giving her a Diamonds and Pearl necklace. |
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Post by MattyJam on Oct 31, 2020 19:35:01 GMT
Prince isn't Tony R when it comes to clever puns. He's not, he'd probably say something about giving her a Diamonds and Pearl necklace. To be honest, I think she had her work cut out just stopping the 5ive and S Club 7 fans from tuning out. |
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Post by butterflies on Oct 31, 2020 21:43:30 GMT
So true about selling 10 million, with little promotion
I chose Invincible though I also liked the greatest romance ever sold
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Post by aazzaabb on Oct 31, 2020 23:04:32 GMT
There's a difference between a long album and an album that feels long though. We all love Dangerous like. You may wanna see my last post in the Main MJ section. Invincible is long, but I can listen to every song on it and enjoy it. Dangerous has too many skippers. There may be nothing on Invincible as majestic as Who Is It or that rocks as hard as Give Into Me, but there's also nothing on Invincible that sucks as hard as CLHGA and SDMW. Those are the only two MJ songs in his canon that have virtually no redeeming features whatsoever for me. I used to like Dangerous a lot more than I do right now. I kind of feel out of all of his adult solo albums, Dangerous is the one that has lost the most sheen to me. Don't get me wrong, I love much of it, but as a whole, I usually find myself only returning to the same 5-6 tracks. I come on here to sort of agree with your take on Rave and Vince, and then I read this quite frankly disappointing remark about 2 of my favourites from Dangerous. Ok, maybe not 2 of my absolute all time favourites but I’ve always really liked CLHGA and to a lesser extent SDMW. Same with Speed Demon and Just Good Friends. Actually I loved those 2. Does everything need to be monumental, masterpiece status in order to be an enjoyable listen?! I think not! And you should know this given your love for both Rave and Vince. |
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Post by SoCav on Nov 1, 2020 0:40:00 GMT
But alas, my taste is nothing if not unique. Ha. It's just a cut above everyone elses and I'm ahead of the curve. In 20 years from now, you'll all come to the realisation that I was bang on about everything. Almost the same amount of time it took you to figure out that Bad trounces Invincible! I think Invincible is the better album, but also the more disappointing one. Prince was much more productive plus was known to switch between releases that were more mainstream-oriented and niche, so a crappy record was not as consequential; something new would come up fairly soon anyway. For Invincible to have been the first full-length MJ album in 6 years was just a major disappointment. It was such a drop in quality compared to the 5 unbelievable albums that preceded it. I actually would not mind that quality drop so much if it at least felt like it was a project MJ was fully invested in. Almost every artist releases a clunker at some point, but Invincible just feels like an album that MJ was not committed to - to this day it leaves me completely cold. So does Rave by the way. This was another instance in the 90s where the Warners release was stronger than the record Prince released himself - I have always like Old Friends 4 Sale a lot. |
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Post by butterflies on Nov 1, 2020 1:50:45 GMT
Invincible is definitely, and absolutely not better than Bad even if it’s still good. I feel like mj was less involved with the songwriting than usual and that’s why it feels different from the others
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Post by MattyJam on Nov 1, 2020 7:13:56 GMT
You may wanna see my last post in the Main MJ section. Invincible is long, but I can listen to every song on it and enjoy it. Dangerous has too many skippers. There may be nothing on Invincible as majestic as Who Is It or that rocks as hard as Give Into Me, but there's also nothing on Invincible that sucks as hard as CLHGA and SDMW. Those are the only two MJ songs in his canon that have virtually no redeeming features whatsoever for me. I used to like Dangerous a lot more than I do right now. I kind of feel out of all of his adult solo albums, Dangerous is the one that has lost the most sheen to me. Don't get me wrong, I love much of it, but as a whole, I usually find myself only returning to the same 5-6 tracks. I come on here to sort of agree with your take on Rave and Vince, and then I read this quite frankly disappointing remark about 2 of my favourites from Dangerous. Ok, maybe not 2 of my absolute all time favourites but I’ve always really liked CLHGA and to a lesser extent SDMW. Same with Speed Demon and Just Good Friends. Actually I loved those 2. Does everything need to be monumental, masterpiece status in order to be an enjoyable listen?! I think not! And you should know this given your love for both Rave and Vince. Moot point Aaron. I don't dislike SDMW and CLHGA because they're not monumental masterpieces. I dislike them because they're borderline dreadful songs. SDMW is listenable, but complete filler, CLHGA is just utterly terrible. Of course, this is just my opinion. But I maintain nothing on Vince sucks as hard as these two tracks. Truth be told, there isn't a single song I dislike on Vince. Perhaps 2000 Watts is a bit weak, but at least it's interesting and an anomaly in his catalogue. |
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Post by mjjfan810 on Nov 1, 2020 7:29:42 GMT
I come on here to sort of agree with your take on Rave and Vince, and then I read this quite frankly disappointing remark about 2 of my favourites from Dangerous. Ok, maybe not 2 of my absolute all time favourites but I’ve always really liked CLHGA and to a lesser extent SDMW. Same with Speed Demon and Just Good Friends. Actually I loved those 2. Does everything need to be monumental, masterpiece status in order to be an enjoyable listen?! I think not! And you should know this given your love for both Rave and Vince. Moot point Aaron. I don't dislike SDMW and CLHGA because they're not monumental masterpieces. I dislike them because they're borderline dreadful songs. SDMW is listenable, but complete filler, CLHGA is just utterly terrible. Of course, this is just my opinion. But I maintain nothing on Vince sucks as hard as these two tracks. Truth be told, there isn't a single song I dislike on Vince. Perhaps 2000 Watts is a bit weak, but at least it's interesting and an anomaly in his catalogue. I actually agree with Matty on this. I have given him some stick for his questionable taste in the past, but I do think fans overrate Dangerous. I think a lot of you became MJ fans in the 90s or later, so maybe have a different perspective on this, but for an older fan like myself, I will always associate Dangerous with the initial disappointment I felt upon first hearing it. To me, it marked the first drop in quality after 3 amazing, flawless, tight albums. It was saved by some truly fantastic, career-best songs on side two, but to this teenager in the 80s, gone were the days when I could put on the cassette of the new MJ album and just let it play from start to finish. To me, Dangerous and Invincible are kind of on a par. There's more stuff I love on Dangerous, but then also, more stuff I hate. Invincible is a much more consistent album from beginning to end and largely underappreciated by fans. There's about 4 tracks I dislike on Invincible (the first 3 songs and 2000 Watts). With Dangerous, I dislike the entire side one bar RTT and Heal The World. HIStory trounces them both and is by far his best later career album. |
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Post by ggbbggbb4455445544 on Nov 1, 2020 9:45:46 GMT
  VS  I’ve always seen these two albums as very similar. Both released around the turn of the century, both failed attempts at recapturing a pop audience, both projects abandoned after the first single, both largely unpopular with many fans.
Which one do you prefer?
VS VS
- “Butterflies”* (with, perhaps, *an example of THE BEST, MOST BEAUTIFUL vocals from Michael, in his later adult years, that I have ever heard from him, at this point)
- “Speechless” (the whole entire song, especially, its opening and closing A Cappella parts)
- “The Greatest Romance Ever Sold”* (*THE BEST track from Prince, on this album)
- “Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic”
- “You Rock My World”
- “Cry”* (*with great meaningful lyrics, as well as Michael’s interpretation of them)
- “Heaven Can Wait” (Great vocals!!!)
- “Unbreakable”
- “The Sun, the Moon, and the Stars”* (*not exactly sure of the correct wording of its actual title, but still a great song from Prince’s album, though)
These songs are what I like from both albums, by two great artists who BOTH should equally be remembered for their music. Therefore, I decline to vote in favor of one and against the other.
And, neither one of these albums are bad at all, because, I think that what critics consider to have been Prince’s and Michael’s so-called “worst” albums and material absolutely obliterates, annihilates, and completely destroys —— in very good ways —— a whole lot of what most of today’s newer “stars” put out, many, MANY times over. Critics have their own personal opinions, likes and dislikes (which is what “subjectivity” is, VS. “objectivity”), just the same as everyone else does. |
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Post by aazzaabb on Nov 1, 2020 12:02:22 GMT
I come on here to sort of agree with your take on Rave and Vince, and then I read this quite frankly disappointing remark about 2 of my favourites from Dangerous. Ok, maybe not 2 of my absolute all time favourites but I’ve always really liked CLHGA and to a lesser extent SDMW. Same with Speed Demon and Just Good Friends. Actually I loved those 2. Does everything need to be monumental, masterpiece status in order to be an enjoyable listen?! I think not! And you should know this given your love for both Rave and Vince. Moot point Aaron. I don't dislike SDMW and CLHGA because they're not monumental masterpieces. I dislike them because they're borderline dreadful songs. SDMW is listenable, but complete filler, CLHGA is just utterly terrible. Of course, this is just my opinion. But I maintain nothing on Vince sucks as hard as these two tracks. Truth be told, there isn't a single song I dislike on Vince. Perhaps 2000 Watts is a bit weak, but at least it's interesting and an anomaly in his catalogue. I take your point. I suppose both are a bit repetitive and haven’t a lot of structure in a certain sense. I’ve always just liked them as grooves. And I conceptualised a short film in my head for CLHGA in which MJ is chasing a hot girl in a Ferrari around LA traffic and ends up out in the desert doing this big dance number. He looks completely swag dressed in black from head to toe, does a massive piece of choreography and right at the end when he wins the girl over he ends up passing on her, jumping back into the Ferrari through the window and speeding off into a desert sunset. A bit like the opening of Night Rider! |
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Post by aazzaabb on Nov 1, 2020 12:10:22 GMT
VS I’ve always seen these two albums as very similar. Both released around the turn of the century, both failed attempts at recapturing a pop audience, both projects abandoned after the first single, both largely unpopular with many fans.
Which one do you prefer?
VS VS
- “Butterflies”* (with, perhaps, *an example of THE BEST, MOST BEAUTIFUL vocals from Michael, in his later adult years, that I have ever heard from him, at this point)
- “Speechless” (the whole entire song, especially, its opening and closing A Cappella parts)
- “The Greatest Romance Ever Sold”* (*THE BEST track from Prince, on this album)
- “Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic”
- “You Rock My World”
- “Cry”* (*with great meaningful lyrics, as well as Michael’s interpretation of them)
- “Heaven Can Wait” (Great vocals!!!)
- “Unbreakable”
- “The Sun, the Moon, and the Stars”* (*not exactly sure of the correct wording of its actual title, but still a great song from Prince’s album, though)
These songs are what I like from both albums, by two great artists who BOTH should equally be remembered for their music. Therefore, I decline to vote in favor of one and against the other.
And, neither one of these albums are bad at all, because, I think that what critics consider to have been Prince’s and Michael’s so-called “worst” albums and material absolutely obliterates, annihilates, and completely destroys —— in very good ways —— a whole lot of what most of today’s newer “stars” put out, many, MANY times over. Critics have their own personal opinions, likes and dislikes (which is what “subjectivity” is, VS. “objectivity”), just the same as everyone else does. That’s a nice playlist! Rave Un2 Vincy! Vincy means Victory in Latin apparently. |
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