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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Mar 8, 2021 17:17:04 GMT
I think it's hard to see how this was beneficial to anyone other than Oprah Winfrey. But they cant be that naive. They must've known the ensuing shitstorm they were going to face. Piers Morgan was on TV this morning saying he didn't believe Meghan was ever suicidal. Who does that? Someone in a public position denying another persons struggle with mental health is deplorable. Piers morgan used to be pretty pally with megan before she started going out with harry. He said she used to go into the private members clubs in london that he frequented and they became "friends" he liked her back then and made a point of mentioning it when ever possible. That all changed when she got with harry. He probably gave her the down low on his history and then that was it. Hes just fake and now attacks her and harry probably because he got shut out and lost any chance to get such an interview. A total two faced tabloid scumbag. He was the same with mj flipped back and forth like a yo yo.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Mar 8, 2021 17:21:40 GMT
Not really surprised by what ive heard from the clips on the news. I wont watch it as everytime i see that things face i want to throw something at the screen and words beginning and ending with F keep coming out of my mouth!
Harry saw megan as a way out. Hes said he sees his father and brother as been trapped in the system. He wanted out and grabbed the chance when it came. No surprise there.
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Post by respect77 on Mar 9, 2021 6:17:30 GMT
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Post by electriceyes on Mar 9, 2021 6:39:11 GMT
The only surprising thing about the racism allegations is that anybody was surprised. Isn't Prince Philip meant to be racism personified? In his defence, he IS from the stone age.
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Post by respect77 on Mar 9, 2021 6:58:15 GMT
The only surprising thing about the racism allegations is that anybody was surprised. Isn't Prince Philip meant to be racism personified? In his defence, he IS from the stone age. Apparently Oprah said in an interview they told her it was NOT the Queen or Prince Phillip. Gossip is about some minor royal.
I actually found that part (I saw a clip of it on Twitter) rather manipulative. It was without saying names so that people would think of high ranking members of the royal family, someone like the Queen or William/Kate and that's just very unfair to them, but I think this was deliberate. They WANTED people to speculate about them. And look at Twitter, they do. Or they call the whole family racist. (I guess Harry gets a pass now for his nazi armband from years ago, but God forbid if it had been William, they would surely dig that up now.) Even though Oprah clarified it about the Queen/Phillip, but a) that wasn't seen my as many people as the interview itself, b) William and Kate are still implied by not naming the actual (presumably minor) member of the family.
When someone makes a vague allegation without naming names, that's often manipulation, so that people would make some more sensational story out of it in their minds than what it was. Also to avoid lawsuit. But I think if you accuse someone or imply someone is guilty of something, it is a cowardly thing to not name names then, especially when not naming names leads to people wrongly speculating about someone else. But I feel that was the actual goal here.
I also have a problem with how the media just takes Meghan's word as the gospel for everything. (US media at least, UK media is - surprise, surprise - is a bit more skeptical now that it is their dog in the fight.) Maybe she tells the truth, but there's also a chance she doesn't or she exaggerates or twists things. We don't know. But people bash a whole family now, just because these two have been on Oprah and told "their truth" (which might or might not be THE truth).
I am not sure that now with so many people losing their jobs, being unemployed due to Covid etc., I can find a lot of sympathy for these two incredibly privileged people playing victim and whine on Oprah (who didn't ask them any hard ball questions) about what a hard and difficult life they have because they might even have to work as almost 40-year-old grown ass adults.
No one would be interested in this utterly uncharismatic man and D-list actress if they weren't related to the royal family that they are now bashing. Their claim to fame is being born into/married into this family.
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Post by HIStoric on Mar 9, 2021 6:59:21 GMT
The only surprising thing about the racism allegations is that anybody was surprised. Isn't Prince Philip meant to be racism personified? In his defence, he IS from the stone age. I'm pretty sure they said a senior member made the comments, and it was confirmed this morning that Harry said it wasn't Queen Elizabeth or Prince Philip.
I suspect Charles as such... or one of his siblings.
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Post by respect77 on Mar 9, 2021 7:05:14 GMT
The only surprising thing about the racism allegations is that anybody was surprised. Isn't Prince Philip meant to be racism personified? In his defence, he IS from the stone age. I'm pretty sure they said a senior member made the comments, and it was confirmed this morning that Harry said it wasn't Queen Elizabeth or Prince Philip.
I suspect Charles as such... or one of his siblings.
This is the problem with them not naming names. People make all kind of assumptions, which is unfair to all of those members of the family who did not make that comment. Call me jaded, but I think Meghan knew what she was doing with that one.
Also, how do we know it is true at all? Or that it was really a racist comment, not, say just someone speculating about how the baby would look, just like when all families speculate if a baby would take after the mother or the father, or if it will have blue or brown eyes etc - and this is what we being twisted here? We don't know that. Once again: we heard one party making an allegation, which might or might not be true.
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Post by respect77 on Mar 9, 2021 7:14:12 GMT
On a different not, this comparison shows how much of a ratins flop After Neverland actually was.
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Post by respect77 on Mar 9, 2021 7:29:21 GMT
This comment is from LSA forum and I copy it here, because I think every single point of it can also be applied to Oprah's interview with James and Wade/Leaving Neverland, as well:
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Post by pg13 on Mar 9, 2021 9:28:56 GMT
I'm pretty sure they said a senior member made the comments, and it was confirmed this morning that Harry said it wasn't Queen Elizabeth or Prince Philip.
I suspect Charles as such... or one of his siblings.
This is the problem with them not naming names. People make all kind of assumptions, which is unfair to all of those members of the family who did not make that comment. Call me jaded, but I think Meghan knew what she was doing with that one.
Also, how do we know it is true at all? Or that it was really a racist comment, not, say just someone speculating about how the baby would look, just like when all families speculate if a baby would take after the mother or the father, or if it will have blue or brown eyes etc - and this is what we being twisted here? We don't know that. Once again: we heard one party making an allegation, which might or might not be true.
This is all very true, I must say. Problem is that allegations of racism is so incendiary that a level of scepticism isn't being widely applied to their claims. Scepticism is important because it allows us to more properly assess validity of complaints, especially ones that are or can be criminal/legally problematic. Meghan Markle is effectively claiming that the Royal Family is racist in relation to her son and the titles/security issue. Shortly before this bit, Meghan claimed that during her pregnancy first time round "they wanted to change the convention for Archie". It's not too difficult to find the actual Letters Patent that deals with this convention. Here's what it says: In other words, the Monarch's children will carry Prince/Princess titles. It further states that the sons of the Monarch can also give their own children said titles. Finally, it states that the eldest living son of the Prince of Wales' children will also have these titles. This convention goes back to 1917 and the Queen's father. So, it was always going to be the case that Prince Harry's children would not have the Prince and Princess titles. One way they could get them was if Prince William wasn't living. Or if Prince Charles becomes King. Lastly it also states: Archie can inherit Harry's titles of Duke of Sussex (England), Earl of Dumbarton (Scotland) and Barony of Kilkeel (Northern Ireland). As Prince, Harry knows all of this very well which raises questions about why he didn't bother to correct this one. After all, Meghan is alleging Archie was denied the Royal title of Prince due to racism. And that's far from the case as the Letters Patent shows. As has already been stated, the allegations of racism is both vague and generalised towards the Royal Family itself. Since Harry and Meghan left out the crucial details around Royal titles, it makes you think what else are they hiding? This interview is very manipulative and I think the Politico article Respect linked is very on the money. But Prince Harry comes out of this looking pretty bad, even if Meghan Markle didn't intend him to.
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Post by HIStoric on Mar 9, 2021 9:32:23 GMT
I agree that if she's gone this far, she should've named the racist.
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Post by respect77 on Mar 9, 2021 9:53:15 GMT
But Prince Harry comes out of this looking pretty bad, even if Meghan Markle didn't intend him to. I wonder if one day he'll regret burning all the bridges with his family.
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Post by pg13 on Mar 9, 2021 9:54:01 GMT
Meghan Markle also claimed:
On the contrary, Archie is really treated no differently to the Queen's other grandchildren who aren't entitled to the Prince and Princess style.
Zara Tindall and Peter Phillips, for example, don't have this style. Zara is the Queen's eldest grandchild, by the way.
Furthermore, Prince Edward's children are NOT styled as Prince and Princess despite the Letters Patent of 1917. They are styled as children of the Earl - not HRH Prince and Princess.
Edward's children are the first to have the double barrelled Mountbatten-Windsor name.
Harry and Meghan's son, Archie, is treated in the exact same way as Edward's children AND he carries the same double barrelled surname as they do.
Here again, Meghan's implied claim of racism doesn't stand up. And that does cast enough doubt on their other claim of racism regarding a senior Royal whose identity they say they have no intention of disclosing.
In short, their claims can either be debunked or simply cannot be verified. Quite frankly, people should be more sceptical than not when it comes to this interview with Oprah.
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Post by respect77 on Mar 9, 2021 9:57:52 GMT
Meghan Markle also claimed: On the contrary, Archie is really treated no differently to the Queen's other grandchildren who aren't entitled to the Prince and Princess style. Zara Tindall and Peter Phillips, for example, don't have this style. Zara is the Queen's eldest grandchild, by the way. Furthermore, Prince Edward's children are NOT styled as Prince and Princess despite the Letters Patent of 1917. They are styled as children of the Earl - not HRH Prince and Princess. Edward's children are the first to have the double barrelled Mountbatten-Windsor name. Harry and Meghan's son, Archie, is treated in the exact same way as Edward's children AND he carries the same double barrelled surname as they do. Here again, Meghan's implied claim of racism doesn't stand up. And that does cast enough doubt on their other claim of racism regarding a senior Royal whose identity they say they have no intention of disclosing. In short, their claims can either be debunked or simply cannot be verified. Quite frankly, people should be more sceptical than not when it comes to this interview with Oprah. They are playing on the American/global public not being knowledgeable about British royal titles.
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Post by pg13 on Mar 9, 2021 10:03:01 GMT
But Prince Harry comes out of this looking pretty bad, even if Meghan Markle didn't intend him to. I wonder if one day he'll regret burning all the bridges with his family. I believe Harry will just as Diana regretted the Bashir interview. He looked miserable at the end whereas Meghan looked pretty chuffed.
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