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Post by pg13 on Mar 9, 2021 10:15:51 GMT
Meghan Markle also claimed: On the contrary, Archie is really treated no differently to the Queen's other grandchildren who aren't entitled to the Prince and Princess style. Zara Tindall and Peter Phillips, for example, don't have this style. Zara is the Queen's eldest grandchild, by the way. Furthermore, Prince Edward's children are NOT styled as Prince and Princess despite the Letters Patent of 1917. They are styled as children of the Earl - not HRH Prince and Princess. Edward's children are the first to have the double barrelled Mountbatten-Windsor name. Harry and Meghan's son, Archie, is treated in the exact same way as Edward's children AND he carries the same double barrelled surname as they do. Here again, Meghan's implied claim of racism doesn't stand up. And that does cast enough doubt on their other claim of racism regarding a senior Royal whose identity they say they have no intention of disclosing. In short, their claims can either be debunked or simply cannot be verified. Quite frankly, people should be more sceptical than not when it comes to this interview with Oprah. They are playing on the American/global public not being knowledgeable about British royal titles. A lot of British people didn't know much about how Royal titles are decided either. Personally, I had a vague idea so I kind of knew where to look. But you're right that Meghan and Harry are relying on people’s ignorance here. And also relying on enough people to attack those who have a sceptical eye even if you can prove your position. The "believe what people say" rhetoric is pretty damaging. Things which are incendiary do require corroboration. |
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Post by HIStoric on Mar 9, 2021 11:31:29 GMT
No clue if anyone here has watched Wandavision but LOL
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Post by pg13 on Mar 9, 2021 14:24:09 GMT
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Post by respect77 on Mar 9, 2021 18:40:44 GMT
Well played by the palace.
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Post by pg13 on Mar 9, 2021 19:43:18 GMT
Regarding the Palace statement, what else do you expect from the reigning Monarch but class?
Harry's demeanour last night shows he knows he nor his wife are winners in this. Meghan, on the other hand, looked far too chuffed with herself at the end.
The Royals, including the Queen aren't winners either.
But Oprah, CBS, ITV and every other broadcaster CBS syndicated this out to are all absolutely raking it in! ITV, for example, made £205 million off this. Oprah and CBS will have made some much more than that!
So, I don't buy the claim Harry and Meghan weren't getting paid for this interview. Especially when they were moaning excessively about having to pay for their own security. Not a good look during a pandemic when most people will be wishing they had their millions, especially those who lost their jobs.
I see the UK and the British people are being slagged off over this, especially by Americans.
Harry and Meghan have bitten off more than they can chew here.....
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Post by pg13 on Mar 9, 2021 19:54:39 GMT
This is turning into a PR disaster for Harry and Meghan as a poll showed 86% of the UK population don't believe them. 30,000 people were polled which is pretty statistically valid.
For me, Harry and Meghan used Archie as a weapon against the Monarch with the whole issue to do his Royal Title style or lack thereof. It really doesn't sit right, especially given that particular claim isn't difficult to debunk.
This is very sad, but they've burnt their bridges with many people in the UK, imo.
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Post by kaeleah on Mar 9, 2021 22:25:42 GMT
I know enough about the way the royal line of succession works that I too was skeptical about the implications that Archie was denied a title for racist reasons. I'm big into genealogy, which has sometimes led down the rabbit hole of looking into the family trees of royals and other famous people, so I had down a bit of reading about how that stuff works.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Mar 10, 2021 8:51:47 GMT
One good thing is piers morgan has left his morning tv role. He walked off set after one of his co presenters went off on him. It was quite a sight! He gives it but cant take it.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Mar 10, 2021 8:55:28 GMT
I know enough about the way the royal line of succession works that I too was skeptical about the implications that Archie was denied a title for racist reasons. I'm big into genealogy, which has sometimes led down the rabbit hole of looking into the family trees of royals and other famous people, so I had down a bit of reading about how that stuff works. Its all pretty ridiculous as the line has changed several times through the centuries. Its not pure by any stretch of the imagination and if it wasnt for the abdication the family wouldnt be in the position they now find themselves.i doubt in the long term this will make much difference. To some its just confirmed what they thought. To others they dont care either way and its just something for the media to drag out for aslong as possible. Well i guess its a change from covid! |
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Post by pg13 on Mar 11, 2021 15:28:03 GMT
I know enough about the way the royal line of succession works that I too was skeptical about the implications that Archie was denied a title for racist reasons. I'm big into genealogy, which has sometimes led down the rabbit hole of looking into the family trees of royals and other famous people, so I had down a bit of reading about how that stuff works. Speaking of genealogy, Harry and Meghan are 17th cousins as Markle is directly descended from Edward III, if I recall correctly. Queen Elizabeth and her husband, Prince Philip are both related to Queen Victoria. The British Royal Family are related to all the Royal Families of Europe too. Usually, you hear the one about the Germans as a put down and attempts to denigrate their Britishness which ignores the fact Elizabeth is descended from Henry VIII. Until more recent times, the Royal Family line was purely Royal which explains their relatedness to other Royal Families. From wiki: |
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Post by butterflies on Mar 11, 2021 21:17:57 GMT
I don’t care much for them though it’s good they’re putting their needs first. I think it would be harmful to those who are suicida if people voice they do not believe Meghan, it’ll just make one look like a horrible person who no one will ever reach out to if they need help
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Post by pg13 on Mar 11, 2021 21:40:25 GMT
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Post by pg13 on Mar 11, 2021 21:53:56 GMT
I don’t care much for them though it’s good they’re putting their needs first. I think it would be harmful to those who are suicida if people voice they do not believe Meghan, it’ll just make one look like a horrible person who no one will ever reach out to if they need help That's the same kind of logic people say about Robson and Safechuck - disbelieving them and proclaiming MJ's innocence makes sexual abuse victims less likely to speak out. Example: www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/newsbeat-47551316Claims may or may not be true, but it doesn't automatically follow that genuine victims will be discouraged in future. People shouldn't be afraid to be sceptical based on what might or could happen to other people who have nothing to do with the credibility issues in any specific case, e.g. Robson and Safechuck as well as Meghan Markle. As for Markle, it's possible she did have mental health issues. But there's a lot we don't know on that and it's something we cannot verify independently either way. Sure, it's possible for people to exaggerate or fake mental health issues. It's a fine line and not a black/white issue. Piers chose this as a hill to die on for some reason. Personally, I'm always going to go with evidence in favour than I ever will with a clear absence or lack of evidence. On any topic. Scepticism definitely has its place otherwise emotional responses on any issue trumps all. And that leads to anarchy as well as miscarriages of justice. |
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Post by butterflies on Mar 11, 2021 22:01:06 GMT
I get what you’re saying, though I more often than not believe victims. But I know it’s problematic for those who have been falsely accused like mj and countless others. I don’t worry about whether this is true or not with Meghan but someone saying they don’t believe her and posting it publicly are communicating to others that they wouldn’t believe anyone suicidal or depressed and that can alienate people. I’m more concerned about the invisible population of people who are alone with their ideation and I have a soft spot for them cause I’ve been in that position myself in the past I don’t care much for them though it’s good they’re putting their needs first. I think it would be harmful to those who are suicida if people voice they do not believe Meghan, it’ll just make one look like a horrible person who no one will ever reach out to if they need help That's the same kind of logic people say about Robson and Safechuck - disbelieving them and proclaiming MJ's innocence makes sexual abuse victims less likely to speak out. Example: www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/newsbeat-47551316Claims may or may not be true, but it doesn't automatically follow that genuine victims will be discouraged in future. People shouldn't be afraid to be sceptical based on what might or could happen to other people who have nothing to do with the credibility issues in any specific case, e.g. Robson and Safechuck as well as Meghan Markle. As for Markle, it's possible she did have mental health issues. But there's a lot we don't know on that and it's something we cannot verify independently either way. Sure, it's possible for people to exaggerate or fake mental health issues. It's a fine line and not a black/white issue. Piers chose this as a hill to die on for some reason. Personally, I'm always going to go with evidence in favour than I ever will with a clear absence or lack of evidence. On any topic. Scepticism definitely has its place otherwise emotional responses on any issue trumps all. And that leads to anarchy as well as miscarriages of justice. |
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Post by HIStoric on Mar 11, 2021 22:18:08 GMT
I think it would be harmful to those who are suicida if people voice they do not believe Meghan, it’ll just make one look like a horrible person who no one will ever reach out to if they need help I actually have to agree and have been thinking about this. It’s a pretty big thing someone as famous as Meghan is voluntarily and openly talking about how she faced suicide thoughts and how she went to get help. It helps remove the stigma suicide and suicidal thoughts have in society which IS a huge issue. It normalises people speaking out and getting help for it - people just don’t talk about this shit enough until it’s too late. Believing sexual abuse allegations off the bat may be one thing because they involve serious allegations towards another person, but suicide is about that one person alone. Your thoughts on Meghan Markle might be one thing, but it is very discouraging for volatile people facing such dangerous ideas to go on social media and see this woman be widely criticised or pulled apart for the very thing they should be doing - speaking out about her thoughts and trying to get help. There are valid criticisms about Meghan’s interview when it comes to other things (such as Archie’s title), but I think some people should be careful how they approach something as stigmatised and serious as suicide. |
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