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Post by electriceyes on Oct 16, 2021 5:51:44 GMT
And she is back!! I thought Easy On Me had a very raw, vulnerable edge. Hello seemed a little polished in comparison
How do you think she will fare? 5-6 years on and the music business has gotten more into streaming and her nos while not as grand as others are still not shabby.
I dont think she will break the opening nos of 25?
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Post by ghost on Oct 16, 2021 6:13:04 GMT
To me, she's on the same level as Coldplay: amazing vocals, great production.... but the musical progression is non existent at this point. You can sing ballads, but they don't have to sound the same.
My favourite artists (MJ, Garbage, Madonna, Nine Inch Nails with hits and misses) all have the ability to come back with a new sound, new themes, explore their musical personalities.
Adele has 1 theme, 1 genre, 1 style and that's all you're going to get.
Her success kind of baffles me in a sense, because it looks like people can listen to the same song over ten years and never get tired.
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Post by Russg on Oct 16, 2021 6:20:58 GMT
She is like Dido to me Absolutely not my thing. Ballads for housewives with the personality of a plain cheese sandwich.
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Post by electriceyes on Oct 16, 2021 6:42:00 GMT
I don't know why she seems to attract such hate, I guess it's like MJ, inevitable once you reach a certain level.
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Post by Russg on Oct 16, 2021 6:45:09 GMT
I don't know why she seems to attract such hate, I guess it's like MJ, inevitable once you reach a certain level. Oh please, you didn't just compare Adele's popularity to MJs. I saw a clip of the video where she’s sitting on the armchair doing hand movements and it's all very reminiscent of Rolling In The Deep video. She’s become a self parody at this stage, but it doesn’t matter as Karen will be popping into Tesco after the school run to pick up the new album.
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Post by HIStoric on Oct 16, 2021 8:16:15 GMT
I don't know why she seems to attract such hate, I guess it's like MJ, inevitable once you reach a certain level. Oh please, you didn't just compare Adele's popularity to MJs. I think when it comes to album sales, she's actually very comparable. She's the biggest selling female musician of the 21st century after all.
21 has sold over 31,000,000 copies worldwide making it absolutely comparable to the likes of Bad and Dangerous. In her home country of the UK, it has even sold more copies than Thriller or any other Michael Jackson album.
25 has sold over 22,000,000 making it comparable to sales of HIStory and Off The Wall. Also important to remember that these numbers were made at a time where where sales in the tens of million were not as common as they used to be.
Now I'm not expecting 30 to reach those numbers simply because albums sell even less now, and it's going straight to streaming (25 had a delayed release of about ~7 months to streaming which helped it's sales numbers), but already she's making waves on Spotify:
I'm not even that much of an Adele fan and I still think MJ is the bigger musician in the context of music history and pop culture of course, but I still think you can discuss and compare them in terms of success and therefore popularity. Her extremely good numbers indicate that she clearly has a pretty massive fanbase, and that it also seeps very, very deeply into the general public.
I saw a clip of the video where she’s sitting on the armchair doing hand movements and it's all very reminiscent of Rolling In The Deep video. She’s become a self parody at this stage Let's not forget that people said the same about Michael Jackson, when his songs became increasingly filled with 'shamones' and 'hee-hees' as time went on.
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Post by HIStoric on Oct 16, 2021 8:24:14 GMT
I dont think she will break the opening nos of 25? Like I said in my post above, I don't think she will. Not only did 25 have a delayed release to streaming services to help it's sales, 30 won't, but streaming has astronomically grown as the preferred listening method since it came out. People who might have once bought the CD will now instead be jumping onto their streaming service of choice.
In saying that, I still think she'll sell very well in the context of today's sales. Safe to say too that she'll break streaming numbers too... I mean she already has on Spotify.
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Post by respect77 on Oct 16, 2021 12:26:59 GMT
She's boring to me and this song is her standard boring stuff. I don't understand her hype. Never did. But Rolling in the Deep was at least catchy. This one isn't even that.
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Oct 16, 2021 12:36:47 GMT
I think she has some cool songs but this latest one is not one of them.
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Post by respect77 on Oct 16, 2021 12:37:01 GMT
Let's not forget that people said the same about Michael Jackson, when his songs became increasingly filled with 'shamones' and 'hee-hees' as time went on. Do you really think Adele's diversity in music, style, genres, themes, music videos etc is the same as MJ's?
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Post by MattyJam on Oct 16, 2021 13:04:44 GMT
Let's not forget that people said the same about Michael Jackson, when his songs became increasingly filled with 'shamones' and 'hee-hees' as time went on. Do you really think Adele's diversity in music, style, genres, themes, music videos etc is the same as MJ's? MJ had more diversity on side 2 of Dangerous than Adele's had throughout her entire career.
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Post by HIStoric on Oct 16, 2021 13:05:34 GMT
Let's not forget that people said the same about Michael Jackson, when his songs became increasingly filled with 'shamones' and 'hee-hees' as time went on. Do you really think Adele's diversity in music, style, genres, themes, music videos etc is the same as MJ's? No, and I also never said such a thing.
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Post by respect77 on Oct 16, 2021 13:12:10 GMT
Do you really think Adele's diversity in music, style, genres, themes, music videos etc is the same as MJ's? No, and I also never said such a thing. Then I don't get bringing up "hee hees" as a way to make a "MJ too" point. At least how I understood Russ's criticism of Adele was that she's doing the same stuff over and over again. MJ doing "heehees" I don't think is in the same category.
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Post by HIStoric on Oct 16, 2021 13:35:03 GMT
No, and I also never said such a thing. Then I don't get bringing up "hee hees" as a way to put him on the same level as Adele in terms diversity. At least that's how I understood Russ's criticism of Adele: that she's doing the same stuff over and over again. It sounds like we took the comments differently. I wasn’t speaking in terms of artistic diversity overall, nor to the extent that you expanded it into. I was speaking more so about specific elements in an artists work. So Russ brought up one element of Adele’s work, mentioning that by Adele sitting in an armchair and doing the same hand movements as an earlier video, she was now falling into self parody territory. At which point I mentioned if we were going to talk about how artists becoming a self parody of themselves, then we can also talk about what would become MJ’s caricatures - the heehees, the shamones, the grunge, the screaming, the grabbing of his crotch and what have you. For some people it began to dissolve into self parody after a point when he ramped the frequency of them up for the Bad album and onwards. They thought it was becoming too much at times. I don’t really mind them, but it’s a point I have seen brought up from time to time in discussions of his work. Of course, it’s also why you see them incessantly in virtually every Michael Jackson parody, and that there’s a 4 minute compilation of them on YouTube with 7 million views. It’s only one element of his work, and likewise that whole hand in chair thing is hers.
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Post by respect77 on Oct 16, 2021 13:39:42 GMT
Maybe Russ can explain what he meant then, but I don't think the main issue people have with Adele (those who do) is a few signature moves. It's more the general lack of diversity and progress in her work. At least that's it for me.
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