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Post by MattyJam on Oct 22, 2021 5:38:38 GMT
Prop gun gone awry. Just like The Crow.
Obviously it's a mistake the movie industry needed to make twice.
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Post by Snow White on Oct 22, 2021 5:47:26 GMT
That's so fucked up and tragic. How the hell real bullets ended up in a prop gun if the guns are supposed to have blanks? Unless blanks were shot in a short distance as it occurred with Brandon Lee, if I recall correctly.
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Post by mjjfan810 on Oct 22, 2021 5:51:18 GMT
Saw this on the news this morning. Can't believe it really. He must feel awful even though its the props manager fault.
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Post by electriceyes on Oct 22, 2021 5:53:02 GMT
The actor he was supposed to shoot was lucky.
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Post by MattyJam on Oct 22, 2021 6:02:55 GMT
That's so fucked up and tragic. How the hell real bullets ended up in a prop gun if the guns are supposed to have blanks? Unless blanks were shot in a short distance as it occurred with Brandon Lee, if I recall correctly.How does that happen? I know nothing about guns. Surely you can't fatally wound someone if the gun doesn't have a bullet in it? |
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Post by mjjfan810 on Oct 22, 2021 6:08:48 GMT
That's so fucked up and tragic. How the hell real bullets ended up in a prop gun if the guns are supposed to have blanks? Unless blanks were shot in a short distance as it occurred with Brandon Lee, if I recall correctly.How does that happen? I know nothing about guns. Surely you can't fatally wound someone if the gun doesn't have a bullet in it? Prop weapons in film are often real, functioning firearms that are modified for use with blank cartridges. The similar incident that killed Brandon Lee was the result of debris in the barrel from previous firings being propelled by the blank explosion. |
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Post by respect77 on Oct 22, 2021 6:11:32 GMT
That's terrible for everyone involved.
I don't understand how this can happen. Reminded me of Brandon Lee too.
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Post by Russg on Oct 22, 2021 6:22:06 GMT
The actor he was supposed to shoot was lucky. "Dodged a bullet at work today, love." |
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Post by HIStoric on Oct 22, 2021 6:31:54 GMT
Man I feel so sorry for Alec Baldwin, as well as Halyna Hutchins and her family/friends. I can't imagine what they're all going through right now. Jesus.
Whoever the Prop Master is for this film will have a lot to answer for. I feel sorry for them too because it's a tragedy for all involved, but they are also directly responsible for ensuring this doesn't happen. It'll be interested to see what happened when the details finally go out.
Great comment from Reddit about prop masters, and what their job entails when dealing with firearms on set:
So if you are on a production where a blank-firing gun is to be used, the Prop Master and/or Armorer will clear it with production, even down to the details of how many rounds will be shot for the sequence they will be used in.
Fast forward to the day. The Armorer/Licensed Prop Master and potentially a Prop Assistant will bring the weapons under close supervision, often times to the point of bringing a locked cart or gun vault to set. The person assigned to handling the weapon will, themself, check the weapon for blockages or even a loaded chamber. They will ensure the weapon is cleaned and check all firing blanks to ensure they are, in fact, crimped shut rounds with only powder in them. Once this is finished, they will bring the firearm to the First AD or otherwise supervising AD where you, typically with the Director and Actor wielding the weapon, will perform the same checks together.
The AD will have, prior to this check, have held at least one safety meeting, discussing with the entire crew the live gunfire that will be playing that day. The Actor will have, prior to this check, had gun training either on his own or provided to him by Production. This training should have shown him proper gun etiquette, including NEVER pointing a gun (loaded or not) at a crew member or any other human being not involved with the scene. The crew would know not to even look at those weapons funny.
For rehearsals, typically you rehearse with a dry weapon first (no blanks, perhaps even with rubber weapons.) After the motions have been finalized, you may have one or two rehearsals with live gunfire, which everyone on crew would be warned of. During this and every subsequent take, the gun would be checked with the actor and the person supervising the weapon. As far as I’ve done, seen, and been taught, you would check and clear every round with the actor either beforehand or in between each take.
I don’t know why I typed that all out. I think I wanted to just show people that there is a process to make this as safe as possible but to also highlight the fact that it is very, very much prone to human error and there is, at the end of the day, a high amount of trust given to each person in this process. I truly can’t tell where the failure here was…but it is horrific that, through all of these checks, something still happened. Horrific in a strangely personal way.
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Post by HIStoric on Oct 22, 2021 6:38:16 GMT
This is Halyna Hutchins, the crew member who passed away. Grew up in Russia in the arctic circle and then worked her way into Hollywood as a cinematographer/director of photography, a position with not a lot of women in it either. Very badass.
Rest in Peace.
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Post by MattyJam on Oct 22, 2021 6:39:00 GMT
The Actor will have, prior to this check, had gun training either on his own or provided to him by Production. This training should have shown him proper gun etiquette, including NEVER pointing a gun (loaded or not) at a crew member or any other human being not involved with the scene. Which begs the question, what the hell was Baldwin doing pointing a gun at a crew member? |
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Post by HIStoric on Oct 22, 2021 6:48:29 GMT
The Actor will have, prior to this check, had gun training either on his own or provided to him by Production. This training should have shown him proper gun etiquette, including NEVER pointing a gun (loaded or not) at a crew member or any other human being not involved with the scene. Which begs the question, what the hell was Baldwin doing pointing a gun at a crew member? Most likely he was doing a shot that featured Baldwin's character shooting at something right behind the camera.
It would be the prop master's responsibility to ensure the weapon is safe to fire for the setup of this shot.
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Post by MattyJam on Oct 22, 2021 6:59:59 GMT
Which begs the question, what the hell was Baldwin doing pointing a gun at a crew member? Most likely he was doing a shot that featured Baldwin's character shooting at something right behind the camera. It would be the prop master's responsibility to ensure the weapon is safe to fire for the setup of this shot.
If that's the case, then it absolves Baldwin of responsibility. If he was dicking about between scenes, then he has to share some culpability. Will be interesting to see what comes out about this in the coming days and weeks. Is it just me or does anyone else think the use of real firearms on set is totally unnecessary anyway? |
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Post by HIStoric on Oct 22, 2021 8:40:36 GMT
Is it just me or does anyone else think the use of real firearms on set is totally unnecessary anyway? +1 I think so too. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2021 9:32:45 GMT
Beyond me how such negligence can happen 27 years after Brandon Lee. So sad for all involved. Michael Massee struggled his entire life after the incident during The Crow.
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