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Post by Snow White on Oct 25, 2022 18:12:23 GMT
Never been a fan of his but Kaney looks like he's loosing it big time. If his mental health issues are making him to act despicably, too bad he doesn't have anyone that pulls him away from social media and focus on his wellbeing instead but if he was already a POS without mental illnesses, it surely will be the end of him.
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Oct 25, 2022 18:33:20 GMT
I think his mental Illness could have had an impact on why he believes what he now does but blaming it all on that isn't really an option at this point. Pretty sure Candace Owens has melted his brain.
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Post by HIStoric on Oct 26, 2022 2:06:05 GMT
I wonder if they'll drop his remix off Thriller 40 now, especially with all these artists and companies distancing themselves from him now.
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Post by jaywonder on Oct 26, 2022 2:52:14 GMT
I mean, without any context whatsoever, the saying ‘White Lives Matter’ is fine and seems inoffensive. Of course their lives matter. The thing is though, *nobody* was saying the phrase ‘White Lives Matter’ until the Black Lives Matter movement started, a movement set up because a lot of African Americans felt they were being treated inferior to other races and wished to make a point that their lives mattered just as much. ‘White Lives Matter’ is purely a reactionary phrase that sets out to minimise the oppression and pain that black people are trying to speak out against, and being a reactionary phrase it is intrinsically linked with ‘Black Lives Matter’. So yeah, in that context, it is offensive to the people who struggle with racism against themselves everyday because it comes across as undermining them and their experiences. People can try and claim that they’re merely saying it to promote equality - ‘if black people can say it, why can’t we?’ - except not only was it never really said before the BLM movement, they also don’t really have a reason to say it because white people don’t tend to face the same kind of systemic oppression that black people are more likely to which led to the phrase ‘Black Lives Matter’ being born. When it comes to Kanye, we need to remember that this is the same moronic fuckwit who tried to claim that slavery was a choice and it became pretty clear at that point that his success, celebrity and wealth has made him far detached from the realities that many black people face in America every day. I’m honestly pretty fucking sick of hearing about him doing stupid shit like this for attention. It’s extremely obvious that he is currently facing a lot of significant mental health issues and has been suffering for a long time, but Kanye refuses to get any help for himself and seems incapable of having any self-control over his actions. I watched that Netflix series of him earlier this year and the difference between 2004 Kanye and 2017 Kanye was just night and day, and not for the best. The classic saying of ‘you can bring a horse to water but you can’t make him drink it” applies here and honestly, it’s pretty sad to see how far he’s fallen in that regard. You can only sympathise for so long if they refuse to do anything about it themselves, especially when you consistently pull the shit Kanye does. I love a lot of his music but that man has some serious shit to sort out. Thank you for saying this. Spot on Fuck him and his marshmallow shoes
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Post by jaywonder on Oct 26, 2022 2:55:39 GMT
People are too easily offended these days. Kanye knows this and the perpetually-offended among us are giving him exactly what he wants. Does anybody really believe Kanye is doing this for any other reason than to get in the headlines? Live your own life and mind your own business I say. Being offended by someone is a choice and you and you alone are giving that person power over you to make you feel that way. Who's the loser in that scenario? This would be right but this guy has influence and it's been showing to be very negative It's not about being offended. It's about this moronic shit stain going on TV and social media and the effects it's having www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-10-25/kanye-west-holocaust-museum-los-angeles-private-tour-antisemitic-hate
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Post by jaywonder on Oct 26, 2022 2:57:14 GMT
Only in 2022 could a black man saying "white lives matter" cause so much offense to middle class white people. I don't get it. What do y'all think? Because of this
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Post by respect77 on Oct 26, 2022 18:05:41 GMT
I wonder if they'll drop his remix off Thriller 40 now, especially with all these artists and companies distancing themselves from him now. I think companies that sponsored him distancing themselves and dropping him is perfectly understandable. A company like Adidas cannot prove his point when he boasts that he can say antisemitic shit amd they wouldn't drop him. (Especially not with Adidas's history - ie. its founders were Nazis.) But I think removing his music from platforms is a different thing. I think we have discussed this already re other artists like R. Kelly etc. I'm very much against Kanye's behavior and antisemitism in general but I don't think his music should be removed from streaming platforms. His sponsors dropping him left and right is probably enough of a consequence for him.
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Post by HIStoric on Oct 26, 2022 19:37:50 GMT
I wonder if they'll drop his remix off Thriller 40 now, especially with all these artists and companies distancing themselves from him now. I think companies that sponsored him distancing themselves and dropping him is perfectly understandable. A company like Adidas cannot prove his point when he boasts that he can say antisemitic shit amd they wouldn't drop him. (Especially not with Adidas's history - ie. its founders were Nazis.) But I think removing his music from platforms is a different thing. I think we have discussed this already re other artists like R. Kelly etc. I'm very much against Kanye's behavior and antisemitism in general but I don't think his music should be removed from streaming platforms. His sponsors dropping him left and right is probably enough of a consequence for him. Yeah. The CEO of Spotify has already been asked if they’ll remove his music, to which he declined unless the label asks him to take it down. pitchfork.com/news/spotify-ceo-daniel-ek-condemns-kanye-west-awful-antisemtic-comments-says-he-has-no-authority-to-remove-his-music/I’m indifferent about his inclusion on Thriller 40 (merely because his T25 remix is already widely available), but I don’t think they should take his music down from digital platforms. People can make the decision themselves whether or not to listen to him.
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Post by TonyR on Oct 26, 2022 21:13:46 GMT
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Post by HIStoric on Oct 27, 2022 1:50:10 GMT
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Post by respect77 on Oct 27, 2022 3:02:14 GMT
I think the real scary thing is the reactions to it on social media, including some blue ticks. Like: This is just an example, but not at a the only one. This is the Kafka trap of antisemitism: someone says something antisemitic and says Jews have all the power in the world. The person gets called out and punished. Conclusion: "See? I told you Jews have all the power in the world. The managed to get Kanye cancelled." So what's the solution? Not to call him out? He should be indeed able to run around and incite antisemitic hatred, while antisemitic hate crimes are already skyrocketing and Jews are already the most targeted minority per capita when it comes to hate crimes? www.adl.org/blog/six-facts-about-threats-to-the-jewish-communityMaybe the backlash to Kanye's anti-black statements was lesser because he's black himself. If a white celebrity had said those words I think the reactions would have been similar as to the reactions to Kanye are now, and I don't think that celebrity wouldn't have been dropped by sponsors etc. I'm not Jewish myself but I do see antisemitism being on the rise again for a while. And not just the classic nazi shit, there's antisemitism also on the left. In fact, I think the difference in how people react to racism and antisemitism is whether it comes from the left or the right, more than anything else. Left wing antisemites, like Roger Waters, do tend to get more pass. Maybe it's also because they do it more cleverly. They are not going to openly state, like Kanye, that they are antisemites, in fact they are going to vehemently deny it and say stuff like "I'm only critical of Israel". Then proceed to say the same classic antisemitic tropes as Kanye about Jewish power, Jews running the world etc (if they are clever they use the word "Zionist" instead of Jew these days and so that makes it "not antisemitic" apparently, as if it's not the same old dog whistle). See: www.adl.org/blog/roger-waters-extends-his-legacy-of-antisemitic-rhetoric
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Post by respect77 on Oct 27, 2022 3:35:57 GMT
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Post by HIStoric on Oct 27, 2022 4:51:25 GMT
I think the real scary thing is the reactions to it on social media, including some blue ticks. Like: I've been reading a fair bit of discussions about this over the last few days, some good ones happening on black-focused communities on Reddit (like this one), as well as general social media and this is the general idea I've gotten. The fact that Kanye, a black man, was talking about black history muddies the water a lot. Time and time again, I have seen black people say on social media for white people to stay out of their business, that they don't have the right to correct black people on their own history, or that they don't have a right to be offended on their behalf. And while I know there was heavy disdain for his BS 'slavery was a choice' comments from people of all races, I think a lot of people weren't sure exactly how to speak out against those comments without stepping on the toes of other black people. Especially in a world where systematic racism makes it harder for black people to succeed (as we saw with MJ), they didn't want to be seen tearing down one of the most successful black men of this century. A black man who's work continues to carry a heavy influence on music on pop culture, and has since the mid-2000s. This is further muddied because the reactions from the black community was mixed. While many in the black community rightfully called out how utterly insensitive and disgusting he was, there were still many who defended him and continued to support his work. People tried to explain he was being misunderstood, he was mentally ill, he was bipolar, or whatever. There wasn't as many calls from the community for companies to sever their ties with him. When it comes to businesses where the bottom line is most important, they didn't see much impact from continuing to endorse him - in fact I've read that his Yeezy lines counted for a whopping 10% of Adidas' profits and now they're losing €250m of short-term income this year alone from ending their relationship with him. If there weren't calls from the community affected to stop supporting him before, why would they stop? Contrast this to how the Jewish community responded, a community that Kanye West is not a part of. They all immediately stood in unison and made it clear that his comments were absolutely not okay and called for people and companies to boycott him. As such, it's easier for people to call him out on all this hatred and bigotry he is spewing. Granted, I still see some hardcore fans trying to defend him but I've been reading some of their social media the last few days and it's... quite fascinating to see their change. A lot of his fans are utterly disgusted at him and calling out other fans who try to defend him, and I think it's not just the anti-semitism but a build-up of the shit he has been spewing for years. We did only have that 'White Lives Matter' stunt a couple weeks ago after all, which seems to have launched this recent wave of criticism against him. The downfall of Kanye West is a really sad one to see. Years ago he said he stopped taking his medications because they negatively impacted his creativity, but his mental degradation the last few years has been especially evident, further worsened by him spiralling down a dangerous alt-right rabbit hole. I'm sick of hearing him spew this shit, but from one human to another, I genuinely hope he can get the mental help he seriously needs to better himself and make amends because this shit just isn't getting better. Something really bad might happen if he doesn't do anything about it, and we're already seeing the fallout from it in the wider community.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2022 5:45:03 GMT
It's really bad. He could actually be dropped from the album at this point think. There isn't a hope in hell that his music will be sought for advertising or ever removed from Spotify but artists/Estates/record labels can ask for x, y or a to be removed.
Then again, the Marilyn Manson allegations didn't result in his remix being removed from a Linkin Park anniversary album (only allegations though).
That banner is a prime example of why this cunt should just be forgotten now. Amazing musical legacy but he's made his bed. So many people wanted him to get proper help. This will only end one way, and his family and friends all are culpable too. Fuck him.
Music still bangs tho.
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Post by MattyJam on Oct 27, 2022 7:12:27 GMT
People are too easily offended these days. Kanye knows this and the perpetually-offended among us are giving him exactly what he wants. Does anybody really believe Kanye is doing this for any other reason than to get in the headlines? Live your own life and mind your own business I say. Being offended by someone is a choice and you and you alone are giving that person power over you to make you feel that way. Who's the loser in that scenario? This would be right but this guy has influence and it's been showing to be very negative It's not about being offended. It's about this moronic shit stain going on TV and social media and the effects it's having www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-10-25/kanye-west-holocaust-museum-los-angeles-private-tour-antisemitic-hateIn my defense, I wrote this reply long before he started mouthing off anti-semetic rants on social media. He's definitely crossed the line between attention seeking PR stunts and disturbing/potentially dangerous behaviour. I'm still not offended - I dunno, I just don't get offended, by anything, ever. It's just not in my DNA - I'm not a pearl-clutcher. Disturbed? Yes. Offended? Meh. Too much effort.
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