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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Oct 27, 2022 8:44:41 GMT
As someone who have depression i can tell you right now we shouldn't judge people who struggle with mental disorders.
me and kanye are two different people but as someone who struggle with mental health i totally understand affects that come with it.
what the guy need is to focus on his mental health. at the end of the day we only tell him but he have to decide what he wants.
i do want him to get help. so much has happen in his life. i don't think he ever got the chance to sit down and talk to someone.
in my opinion i feel what ruin him marrying kim. if his mother was alive she would have never let him marry her.
i feel bad for the kids.
i kind of understand what kanye was trying to do. but he did it the wrong way. he could have done it a different way.
i hope things get better with him.
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Post by aazzaabb on Oct 27, 2022 10:26:22 GMT
In my defense, I wrote this reply long before he started mouthing off anti-semetic rants on social media. He's definitely crossed the line between attention seeking PR stunts and disturbing/potentially dangerous behaviour. I'm still not offended - I dunno, I just don't get offended, by anything, ever. It's just not in my DNA - I'm not a pearl-clutcher. Disturbed? Yes. Offended? Meh. Too much effort. How dare you not be offended!!! And how dare you express your own reality!! #cancelmatty2022dobetter!
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Post by respect77 on Oct 27, 2022 10:40:10 GMT
It's really bad. He could actually be dropped from the album at this point think. There isn't a hope in hell that his music will be sought for advertising or ever removed from Spotify but artists/Estates/record labels can ask for x, y or a to be removed. Then again, the Marilyn Manson allegations didn't result in his remix being removed from a Linkin Park anniversary album (only allegations though). That banner is a prime example of why this cunt should just be forgotten now. Amazing musical legacy but he's made his bed. So many people wanted him to get proper help. This will only end one way, and his family and friends all are culpable too. Fuck him. Music still bangs tho. I'm all for his sponsors dropping him but removing him from Spotify or trying to completely erase his legacy doesn't feel right to me. We have been through that discussion re. other artists, like R. Kelly, XXXTentacion etc and I feel it's a slippery slope. I think streaming platforms should just host artists and shouldn't be involved in playing moral police. What Spotify can and should do is not actively advertising him, not putting him on official playlists etc. But removing him just feels like a bit of book burning to me. And where does that stop? For example, I like Dostoyevsky but I also know he was an antisemite. Does that mean his books should be removed from libraries? I don't think so. And actually when you look up writers, their views etc, including a lot of great, classic writers, most do have what would count as "problematic" views by today's standards. If Kanye is removed from Spotify should Wagner or Pink Floyd (Roger Waters) be too? I think there is place for "separating the art and the artist". While Spotify doesn't need to actively advertise Kanye, but if someone wants to listen to him, Pink Floyd or Wagner on Spotify, let that be the individual's choice.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2022 11:00:00 GMT
It's really bad. He could actually be dropped from the album at this point think. There isn't a hope in hell that his music will be sought for advertising or ever removed from Spotify but artists/Estates/record labels can ask for x, y or a to be removed. Then again, the Marilyn Manson allegations didn't result in his remix being removed from a Linkin Park anniversary album (only allegations though). That banner is a prime example of why this cunt should just be forgotten now. Amazing musical legacy but he's made his bed. So many people wanted him to get proper help. This will only end one way, and his family and friends all are culpable too. Fuck him. Music still bangs tho. I'm all for his sponsors dropping him but removing him from Spotify or trying to completely erase his legacy doesn't feel right to me. We have been through that discussion re. other artists, like R. Kelly, XXXTentacion etc and I feel it's a slippery slope. I think streaming platforms should just host artists and shouldn't be involved in playing moral police. What Spotify can and should do is not actively advertising him, not putting him on official playlists etc. But removing him just feels like a bit of book burning to me. And where does that stop? For example, I like Dostoyevsky but I also know he was an antisemite. Does that mean his books should be removed from libraries? I don't think so. And actually when you look up writers, their views etc, including a lot of great, classic writers, most do have what would count as "problematic" views by today's standards. If Kanye is removed from Spotify should Wagner be too? I think there is place for "separating the art and the artist". While Spotify doesn't need to actively advertise Kanye, but if someone wants to listen to him or Wagner on Spotify, let that be the individual's choice. Exactly, his music will never be removed if Kelly's wasnt. BUT.... artists can request that certain duets/songs with Kanye as a featured artist be removed like Lady Gaga did. Be interesting to see if artists are pressured into removing tunes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2022 11:03:29 GMT
In my defense, I wrote this reply long before he started mouthing off anti-semetic rants on social media. He's definitely crossed the line between attention seeking PR stunts and disturbing/potentially dangerous behaviour. I'm still not offended - I dunno, I just don't get offended, by anything, ever. It's just not in my DNA - I'm not a pearl-clutcher. Disturbed? Yes. Offended? Meh. Too much effort. It's still not about being offended though, hes after inflaming a very unpleasant and potentially dangerous environment for Jews in the states. You dont need to be offended to be disgusted with Jews are needlessly now facing I guess. Absolute shit show, the whole thing. It was let go far too long. He has small children. Kim must be petrified. I wouldnt let him near them.
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Post by aazzaabb on Oct 27, 2022 11:04:52 GMT
It's really bad. He could actually be dropped from the album at this point think. There isn't a hope in hell that his music will be sought for advertising or ever removed from Spotify but artists/Estates/record labels can ask for x, y or a to be removed. Then again, the Marilyn Manson allegations didn't result in his remix being removed from a Linkin Park anniversary album (only allegations though). That banner is a prime example of why this cunt should just be forgotten now. Amazing musical legacy but he's made his bed. So many people wanted him to get proper help. This will only end one way, and his family and friends all are culpable too. Fuck him. Music still bangs tho. I'm all for his sponsors dropping him but removing him from Spotify or trying to completely erase his legacy doesn't feel right to me. We have been through that discussion re. other artists, like R. Kelly, XXXTentacion etc and I feel it's a slippery slope. I think streaming platforms should just host artists and shouldn't be involved in playing moral police. What Spotify can and should do is not actively advertising him, not putting him on official playlists etc. But removing him just feels like a bit of book burning to me. And where does that stop? For example, I like Dostoyevsky but I also know he was an antisemite. Does that mean his books should be removed from libraries? I don't think so. And actually when you look up writers, their views etc, including a lot of great, classic writers, most do have what would count as "problematic" views by today's standards. If Kanye is removed from Spotify should Wagner or Pink Floyd (Roger Waters) be too? I think there is place for "separating the art and the artist". While Spotify doesn't need to actively advertise Kanye, but if someone wants to listen to him, Pink Floyd or Wagner on Spotify, let that be the individual's choice. Absolutely. And If we’re going to travel down this dark cancel culture road we should also remove They Don’t Care About Us, You Are Not Alone and One More Chance. Here’s the thing; Musician's, writers, people, humans, have opinions on things. We don’t have to agree with or like those opinions, but cancelling them achieves what exactly? Apart from making a few people feel morally superior for a few days, not much else. Kanye West clearly needs help and that’s glaringly obvious if anyone took the time to watch his interview with Piers Morgan.
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Post by aazzaabb on Oct 27, 2022 11:38:43 GMT
As someone who have depression i can tell you right now we shouldn't judge people who struggle with mental disorders. me and kanye are two different people but as someone who struggle with mental health i totally understand affects that come with it. what the guy need is to focus on his mental health. at the end of the day we only tell him but he have to decide what he wants. i do want him to get help. so much has happen in his life. i don't think he ever got the chance to sit down and talk to someone. in my opinion i feel what ruin him marrying kim. if his mother was alive she would have never let him marry her. i feel bad for the kids. i kind of understand what kanye was trying to do. but he did it the wrong way. he could have done it a different way. i hope things get better with him. Yes, I agree. What I get from watching his interview is that he is still deeply hurt by the death of his mother. She was his whole inspiration and he adored her and everything he’s brought about that’s wrong since her death seems to come from a place of anger. And the way she passed also, he probably feels partly responsible for it because it needn’t have happened.
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Oct 27, 2022 11:40:00 GMT
I'm all for his sponsors dropping him but removing him from Spotify or trying to completely erase his legacy doesn't feel right to me. We have been through that discussion re. other artists, like R. Kelly, XXXTentacion etc and I feel it's a slippery slope. I think streaming platforms should just host artists and shouldn't be involved in playing moral police. What Spotify can and should do is not actively advertising him, not putting him on official playlists etc. But removing him just feels like a bit of book burning to me. And where does that stop? For example, I like Dostoyevsky but I also know he was an antisemite. Does that mean his books should be removed from libraries? I don't think so. And actually when you look up writers, their views etc, including a lot of great, classic writers, most do have what would count as "problematic" views by today's standards. If Kanye is removed from Spotify should Wagner or Pink Floyd (Roger Waters) be too? I think there is place for "separating the art and the artist". While Spotify doesn't need to actively advertise Kanye, but if someone wants to listen to him, Pink Floyd or Wagner on Spotify, let that be the individual's choice. Absolutely. And If we’re going to travel down this dark cancel culture road we should also remove They Don’t Care About Us, You Are Not Alone and One More Chance. Here’s the thing; Musician's, writers, people, humans, have opinions on things. We don’t have to agree with or like those opinions, but cancelling them achieves what exactly? Apart from making a few people feel morally superior for a few days, not much else. Kanye West clearly needs help and that’s glaringly obvious if anyone took the time to watch his interview with Piers Morgan. Why are you trying to frame the things he's said as "just opinions"?
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Post by aazzaabb on Oct 27, 2022 11:42:23 GMT
Absolutely. And If we’re going to travel down this dark cancel culture road we should also remove They Don’t Care About Us, You Are Not Alone and One More Chance. Here’s the thing; Musician's, writers, people, humans, have opinions on things. We don’t have to agree with or like those opinions, but cancelling them achieves what exactly? Apart from making a few people feel morally superior for a few days, not much else. Kanye West clearly needs help and that’s glaringly obvious if anyone took the time to watch his interview with Piers Morgan. Why are you trying to frame the things he's said as "just opinions"? I’m not trying to frame anything! I’m trying to understand it!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2022 11:42:40 GMT
Absolutely. And If we’re going to travel down this dark cancel culture road we should also remove They Don’t Care About Us, You Are Not Alone and One More Chance. Here’s the thing; Musician's, writers, people, humans, have opinions on things. We don’t have to agree with or like those opinions, but cancelling them achieves what exactly? Apart from making a few people feel morally superior for a few days, not much else. Kanye West clearly needs help and that’s glaringly obvious if anyone took the time to watch his interview with Piers Morgan. Why are you trying to frame the things he's said as "just opinions"? That's not what I took from his post anyway.
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Oct 27, 2022 11:44:48 GMT
Why are you trying to frame the things he's said as "just opinions"? That's not what I took from his post anyway. "Here’s the thing; Musician's, writers, people, humans, have opinions on things. We don’t have to agree with or like those opinions"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2022 11:47:09 GMT
That's not what I took from his post anyway. "Here’s the thing; Musician's, writers, people, humans, have opinions on things. We don’t have to agree with or like those opinions" As he said "musicians" I didnt take this as being about Kanye exclusively or assume that he was defending Kanye himself. Carry on.
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Post by aazzaabb on Oct 27, 2022 11:47:31 GMT
Why are you trying to frame the things he's said as "just opinions"? That's not what I took from his post anyway. Thank you. And I didn’t say “just opinions” either. The “just” puts emphasis on my saying “opinion” as though I’m trivialising what I’m saying.
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Post by aazzaabb on Oct 27, 2022 11:47:59 GMT
That's not what I took from his post anyway. "Here’s the thing; Musician's, writers, people, humans, have opinions on things. We don’t have to agree with or like those opinions" And your issue is?
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Oct 27, 2022 11:48:54 GMT
"Here’s the thing; Musician's, writers, people, humans, have opinions on things. We don’t have to agree with or like those opinions" As he said "musicians" I didnt take this as being about Kanye exclusively or assume that he was defending Kanye himself. Carry on. We're talking about Kanye in this thread and the subject of his post is Kanye and what he's said, but okay.
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