Seven
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Post by Seven on Nov 1, 2022 19:45:36 GMT
How people hurt anyone if some decide to worship Michael, in this case? At least there's plenty of proof MJ existed, the fans don't commit heinous crimes in crimes in his name, didn't promote worldwide conflicts or wars, unlike with the supernatural beings, so called gods and their adherents of those religions. It’s the dehumanizing of the man himself that was/is harmful. I’m talking about the impact on Michael himself, not the entire planet.
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Post by butterflies2 on Nov 1, 2022 20:46:55 GMT
Interesting topic. I used to feel like I got trapped in the cycle of wanting to rescue him and wanting him to know I love him so badly, and had to work on resocializing myself after his death. I had other things going on, so therapy helped, and I’m sure mj would have benefitted from it too for all he’s been through, though I used to see him as someone so strong who survived it all, so it was a big letdown that his worries were keeping him up and he felt he needed propofol
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Seven
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Post by Seven on Nov 2, 2022 1:11:28 GMT
Interesting topic. I used to feel like I got trapped in the cycle of wanting to rescue him and wanting him to know I love him so badly, and had to work on resocializing myself after his death. I had other things going on, so therapy helped, and I’m sure mj would have benefitted from it too for all he’s been through, though I used to see him as someone so strong who survived it all, so it was a big letdown that his worries were keeping him up and he felt he needed propofol I definitely understand you there. I also desperately wanted to save him and his death absolutely devastated me. I look back on the things I would say and post online regarding my grieving and it makes me cringe. I know I absolutely didn’t want to believe he was capable of drug abuse either, I had this image of him in my head that he was just untouchable and perfect. It’s almost like his death reminded many people of the mortality of everyone, no matter how immortal they may seem. It was a valuable lesson for me, I think. Painful but valuable.
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Post by butterflies2 on Nov 2, 2022 19:35:27 GMT
Interesting topic. I used to feel like I got trapped in the cycle of wanting to rescue him and wanting him to know I love him so badly, and had to work on resocializing myself after his death. I had other things going on, so therapy helped, and I’m sure mj would have benefitted from it too for all he’s been through, though I used to see him as someone so strong who survived it all, so it was a big letdown that his worries were keeping him up and he felt he needed propofol I definitely understand you there. I also desperately wanted to save him and his death absolutely devastated me. I look back on the things I would say and post online regarding my grieving and it makes me cringe. I know I absolutely didn’t want to believe he was capable of drug abuse either, I had this image of him in my head that he was just untouchable and perfect. It’s almost like his death reminded many people of the mortality of everyone, no matter how immortal they may seem. It was a valuable lesson for me, I think. Painful but valuable. Yes, I felt I saw him in that way too, like an idealized version of him. At one point, I was blaming myself as a fan for his death, cause maybe we were putting pressure on him to perform. I was heartbroken cause I had tickets to the this is it shows, but also feel selfish for it
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ash
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Post by ash on Nov 16, 2022 18:57:34 GMT
On the other hand, some fans think that insulting Michael and making fun of him all the time is a personality trait and makes them "not like the other fans".
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Post by butterflies2 on Nov 16, 2022 22:54:07 GMT
On the other hand, some fans think that insulting Michael and making fun of him all the time is a personality trait and makes them "not like the other fans". I knew a real life fan who was an asshole about him when I was around on purpose, a so called friend who I no longer talk to
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Jan 2, 2023 8:25:05 GMT
i believe Michael had something going with him spiritually. he even said it himself and his friends, acquaintances, and family. but he wasn't any of that stuff i said above. he was a regular human being. yes Michael was kind and gentle with but he was also stubborn and a brat. 😂😂😂 i remember i was talking to some fans and one of them said the samething i said and some fans got mad. 😂😂😂 How dare you say that about Michael! He was a lovely man! 😂🤣 How about telling him no? 😂😂😂
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Jan 2, 2023 8:33:30 GMT
Michael had a sense of humor though. i think we can make jokes as long there not hurtful or anything......
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Jan 2, 2023 8:43:43 GMT
The drugs Michael was taking wasn't illegal drugs. put it this way, he was trying to sleep. that's all. not kill himself but to sleep because he had insomnia.
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Seven
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Post by Seven on Jan 14, 2023 19:02:04 GMT
The drugs Michael was taking wasn't illegal drugs. put it this way, he was trying to sleep. that's all. not kill himself but to sleep because he had insomnia. A lot of drugs people abuse aren't illegal. Painkillers come to mind. Nobody is a bad person for being addicted to drugs, but the media tends to portray addicts that way. I don't blame Michael for his addictions.
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Post by butterflies2 on Jan 14, 2023 19:06:11 GMT
Yes I believe he had a stubborn and bratty side too lol
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Jan 23, 2023 0:03:42 GMT
The drugs Michael was taking wasn't illegal drugs. put it this way, he was trying to sleep. that's all. not kill himself but to sleep because he had insomnia. A lot of drugs people abuse aren't illegal. Painkillers come to mind. Nobody is a bad person for being addicted to drugs, but the media tends to portray addicts that way. I don't blame Michael for his addictions. I agree but disagree. some people know they have addictions but they don't stop. now if you are talking about pain medications i can understand because you just trying to take away the pain not kill yourself. the drugs Michael was taking wasn't for sleep but he was taking it to sleep. so in my opinion i call Michael death an overdose and homicide.
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Post by butterflies2 on Jan 23, 2023 0:24:08 GMT
It’s not easy to stop, maybe we need to have more sympathy for those with mental health and addictions the same way as physical health conditions
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Jan 23, 2023 0:26:23 GMT
Yes I believe he had a stubborn and bratty side too lol Hahaha! he was. ask all the people who was around him. 😂😂😂 i see Michael as a human. yes he was a superstar but i tend to see his human side. which he all wanted us anyway.
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Jan 23, 2023 1:01:18 GMT
It’s not easy to stop, maybe we need to have more sympathy for those with mental health and addictions the same way as physical health conditions Yes. but their people who know what they are doing and they don't stop. they don't get help. they don't listen to others. i been around people like this and while you care about them they don't do anything to get the help they need. you can only do so much at the of the day that's their choice. i don't put mental health and addictions with physical health conditions. that just my point of view. some people don't see that way. or at least the people i hang around with..... 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
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