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Post by butterflies2 on Jan 23, 2023 1:21:32 GMT
It’s not easy to stop, maybe we need to have more sympathy for those with mental health and addictions the same way as physical health conditions Yes. but their people who know what they are doing and they don't stop. they don't get help. they don't listen to others. i been around people like this and while you care about them they don't do anything to get the help they need. you can only do so much at the of the day that's their choice. i don't put mental health and addictions with physical health conditions. that just my point of view. some people don't see that way. or at least the people i hang around with..... 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️ We can agree to disagree, cause it is still considered a medical issue.
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Jan 23, 2023 2:47:02 GMT
Yes. but their people who know what they are doing and they don't stop. they don't get help. they don't listen to others. i been around people like this and while you care about them they don't do anything to get the help they need. you can only do so much at the of the day that's their choice. i don't put mental health and addictions with physical health conditions. that just my point of view. some people don't see that way. or at least the people i hang around with..... 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️ We can agree to disagree, cause it is still considered a medical issue. i agree everyone should be treated the same way. just in this world it's doesn't work because everyone is different. what might work for someone else may not work for the other person. so it's really up to the person.
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Post by butterflies2 on Jan 23, 2023 4:34:58 GMT
Also mj is someone who relied on validation since he didn’t get it from his dad. It makes sense he wanted to please fans by touring and got a natural high off the energy, and didn’t like to hear no. Again, the stubbornness and putting others needs first, was part of his trauma
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Feb 12, 2023 5:42:47 GMT
Also mj is someone who relied on validation since he didn’t get it from his dad. It makes sense he wanted to please fans by touring and got a natural high off the energy, and didn’t like to hear no. Again, the stubbornness and putting others needs first, was part of his trauma I agree with some of this. half of it was his dad fault but also i think it was some of the fans fault as well. some fans didn't see Michael as a human being. which he thought he couldn't let his fans down. not only that but money was also an issue too. the main reason Michael toured was for money. yes for his fans too but money as well. while he gave some of the money to charity he also uses the rest for his own needs and family. it got bad once he started to spend his money on anything. there's not wrong treating yourself but if you spending more than usual, you got a problem and yes Michael also had money spending problem. yes he also got enjoyment from fans because he felt his fans understood him. while some fans did understood him others didn't they just saw him as a man who danced and sing. just the other day one fan back in day thought he didn't use the bathroom. 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
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Post by butterflies2 on Feb 12, 2023 5:46:27 GMT
Also mj is someone who relied on validation since he didn’t get it from his dad. It makes sense he wanted to please fans by touring and got a natural high off the energy, and didn’t like to hear no. Again, the stubbornness and putting others needs first, was part of his trauma I agree with some of this. half of it was his dad fault but also i think it was some of the fans fault as well. some fans didn't see Michael as a human being. which he thought he couldn't let his fans down. not only that but money was also an issue too. the main reason Michael toured was for money. yes for his fans too but money as well. while he gave some of the money to charity he also uses the rest for his own needs and family. it got bad once he started to spend his money on anything. there's not wrong treating yourself but if you spending more than usual, you got a problem and yes Michael also had money spending problem. yes he also got enjoyment from fans because he felt his fans understood him. while some fans did understood him others didn't they just saw him as a man who danced and singed. just the other day one fan back in day thought he didn't use the bathroom. 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ Yes I felt too at one point that his death was my fault as a fan, like we were enabling him to tour and he wanted to please us and went to drastic measures to do so. I even believe now that my one sided relationship towards him was co dependent, and I’m sure that’s the same for the groupies that followed him around
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Feb 22, 2023 12:50:44 GMT
I agree with some of this. half of it was his dad fault but also i think it was some of the fans fault as well. some fans didn't see Michael as a human being. which he thought he couldn't let his fans down. not only that but money was also an issue too. the main reason Michael toured was for money. yes for his fans too but money as well. while he gave some of the money to charity he also uses the rest for his own needs and family. it got bad once he started to spend his money on anything. there's not wrong treating yourself but if you spending more than usual, you got a problem and yes Michael also had money spending problem. yes he also got enjoyment from fans because he felt his fans understood him. while some fans did understood him others didn't they just saw him as a man who danced and singed. just the other day one fan back in day thought he didn't use the bathroom. 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ Yes I felt too at one point that his death was my fault as a fan, like we were enabling him to tour and he wanted to please us and went to drastic measures to do so. I even believe now that my one sided relationship towards him was co dependent, and I’m sure that’s the same for the groupies that followed him around i wish Michael knew how to say no to people. i mean Lol he knew the word no when he wanted his way. but yeah i blame his dad for that also him too because of his money spending problem. if he knew how to take care of his money he probably didn't have to tour. although i wouldn't minded seeing him on stage one last time before he retired. if he did it the right way it probably would have been successful. i'm one of those fans who cared about his health. there was fans who was worried because of his age. 50 not old but it isn't young either. he knew this too.
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Post by butterflies2 on Feb 22, 2023 23:36:19 GMT
Yes I felt too at one point that his death was my fault as a fan, like we were enabling him to tour and he wanted to please us and went to drastic measures to do so. I even believe now that my one sided relationship towards him was co dependent, and I’m sure that’s the same for the groupies that followed him around i wish Michael knew how to say no to people. i mean Lol he knew the word no when he wanted his way. but yeah i blame his dad for that also him too because of his money spending problem. if he knew how to take care of his money he probably didn't have to tour. although i wouldn't minded seeing him on stage one last time before he retired. if he did it the right way it probably would have been successful. i'm one of those fans who cared about his health. there was fans who was worried because of his age. 50 not old but it isn't young either. he knew this too. I cared about it too and was surprised he was touring over making a new album, I was worried and paranoid for him but got this is it tickets anyways. Also, I feel he took propofol cause he couldn’t say no to fans about his comeback, if anything, that came from having a shattered ego and I get it now. But had he done what he really wanted to do, an album, he may have still been here
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Post by butterflies2 on Sept 23, 2023 18:49:20 GMT
I was watching the yokahoma bad tour after such a long time last night, and all I could think of was god giving someone that much natural talent to entertain. Does anyone else feel similarly? I used to worry it was like worship when I was younger, but it really isn’t, it’s just that he’s so beautiful that it makes me grateful for being a fan and appreciating his greatness
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