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Post by aazzaabb on Feb 11, 2024 15:44:46 GMT
The estate still have control over what happens with MJ's stuff so I wouldn't be expecting the quality or frequency of releases to change at all. I’m feeling quite optimistic about it. I don’t think Sony would pay that amount of money without having some sort of understanding about what they can and cannot do. perhaps by allowing Sony the rights to be involved with and handle the creative aspects, the estate will be willing to approve projects knowing that it’s in Sony’s interest to release decent projects? Perhaps it takes that responsibility off the estate? I don’t know. Either way it’s a win win for the estate I guess. But even if things remain the same, they can’t get any worse. From what I understand Branca wasn’t willing to approve or play ball with Sony during the Thriller40 campaign. Hence the poor/none mixed and mastered tracks on the CD. Perhaps now with Sony on board things will have to be more streamlined? |
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Post by aazzaabb on Feb 11, 2024 15:52:56 GMT
I'm wondering how long it will be before katherine files a big ass loan request to the estate🙄🤪 The fact from what ive seen in terms of there has been very little reporting on this (in the media outlets i watch ,read) compaired to when other artists sold rights etc. then that says its a good thing especially when its such a huge record breaking amount.Oh again he’ll be absolutely resented for it. Many of them have spent their entire careers trying to diminish his relevance and importance. This will be killing them. Rolling Stone especially. Their scared cows have always been Dylan, Springsteen and The Beatles. |
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Feb 11, 2024 19:10:06 GMT
The original versions of MJ's music on xscape also sounded like shit and the estate were fine with Sony then. I don't expect anything to change. Hopefully I'm wrong.
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Post by respect77 on Feb 11, 2024 19:30:09 GMT
I'm wondering how long it will be before katherine files a big ass loan request to the estate🙄🤪 The fact from what ive seen in terms of there has been very little reporting on this (in the media outlets i watch ,read) compaired to when other artists sold rights etc. then that says its a good thing especially when its such a huge record breaking amount. The reports are going to come when it's official. So far it's a scoop by Billboard which some other media referenced too, but not yet an official announcement. I guess that's going to probably come in the next days. |
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Post by aazzaabb on Feb 11, 2024 20:23:54 GMT
The original versions of MJ's music on xscape also sounded like shit and the estate were fine with Sony then. I don't expect anything to change. Hopefully I'm wrong. True, but the book that came with The Ultimate Collection was littered with mistakes and that was in MJ’s lifetime and something he signed off on. We can be pedantic but I fail to see or understand how this is some sort of negative thing. I can only speak for myself, but personally I feel this is a really good thing and as Respect explained it makes absolute sense. |
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Post by SoCav on Feb 11, 2024 20:59:45 GMT
I have way too little of an understanding of this topic to really have an opinion on whether the sale is a good thing or not.
But like SmoothGangsta I would not automatically assume this will lead to an increase of (the quality of) releases. When Springsteen sold his catalog to Sony over 2 years ago I saw many of his fans saying the exact same things (about how this would lead to more releases because Sony would want to get their money's worth). But since then he has actually released less than in the years prior to the sale. And the one thing that did come out was not some mouth-wateringly good boxset full of rare pearls, but a throwaway album of dreadful soul covers.
If the Estate is still in control, then I do not immediately see a reason for change. Though there was indeed chatter about Sony wanting to do more with/around the release of Thriller 40 but Brance vetoing everything. If this sale does give Sony more of a say, and if they're on better terms now, then perhaps that is less likely to happen in the future.
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Post by SoCav on Feb 11, 2024 21:07:25 GMT
The original versions of MJ's music on xscape also sounded like shit and the estate were fine with Sony then. I don't expect anything to change. Hopefully I'm wrong. Slightly offtopic but did you hear Beano Wild's stereo mix of She Was Loving Me? I think he did a great job given the limitations of the source material. Just A/B this with the version on the album and it just drives home what a travesty it is that they released it that way. |
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Post by pg13 on Feb 11, 2024 21:21:45 GMT
FYI,Sony is a huge multinational corporation whose stocks are traded in stock exchange so it's owned by many people of many races. You can be an owner too if you buy Sony stocks. It was founded in Japan, its HQs are in Japan, its top management is Japanese, not white. And Motolla is not at Sony for a long, long time. But I don't know what any of this has to do with race.Absolutely nothing! In fact, the opposite! It further cements MJ and positions him above everyone including Dylan and Springsteen! And they’re still alive! Or perhaps more importantly Elvis and The Beatles. In my eyes it sets Jackson right on top of the immortals. Exactly! If half of Michael's catalog is worth $1.2 billion....the whole thing is worth twice that. Michael is right at the very top by a very large margin! Nobody comes close. And the man's life was marred by a lot of shit thrown at him for having the intelligence he did to become SO successful! He's not the King Of Pop. No, he's simply The King! |
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Post by pg13 on Feb 11, 2024 21:23:38 GMT
You can't block anyone on here, IIRC. So, you can choose to ignore and scroll past people's posts. You've form for claiming racism where there's none as everyone has seen yet again from you.This deal is the same principle as Michael getting $50million from Sony in 1995 in return for a merger of rights. I doubt MJ would have been against it, especially as he'd even agreed to own less and less of Neverland Ranch over time with Colony Capital. I swear the overall IQ of the MJ fan base has declined as most of the intelligent, knowledgeable fans left the fandom increasingly since Michael passed. The hassle overall isn't worth them staying active online. 🤔 This person has bullied me behind the scenes now for quite some time. Perhaps I should have addressed it a year ago but I put it down to them being of a low IQ and inability to understand what’s being said and subtext. Thanks for calling it out. No problem! Have to say I'm not surprised she's tried doing that with you too. Did it to me last year an' all. |
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Post by pg13 on Feb 11, 2024 21:27:31 GMT
The estate still have control over what happens with MJ's stuff so I wouldn't be expecting the quality or frequency of releases to change at all. They do, but it's not total control, IIRC. These types of deals do involve more products coming out though, so I'd expect it. After all, Sony hasn't plonked down $1.2 billion to not make a profit on it! |
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Post by aazzaabb on Feb 11, 2024 21:34:31 GMT
This person has bullied me behind the scenes now for quite some time. Perhaps I should have addressed it a year ago but I put it down to them being of a low IQ and inability to understand what’s being said and subtext. Thanks for calling it out. No problem! Have to say I'm not surprised she's tried doing that with you too. Did it to me last year an' all. I’m sorry to hear that NatureCriminal7896 has targeted you in this way also. It’s sad to know that an anti semitic racist is allowed to bully people on here. Hope you’re ok. |
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Post by aazzaabb on Feb 11, 2024 21:37:11 GMT
The estate still have control over what happens with MJ's stuff so I wouldn't be expecting the quality or frequency of releases to change at all. They do, but it's not total control, IIRC. These types of deals do involve more products coming out though, so I'd expect it. After all, Sony hasn't plonked down $1.2 billion to not make a profit on it! This is also my thinking. It wouldn’t make any sense for them to pay that kind of money for nothing in return. |
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Feb 11, 2024 21:55:35 GMT
To be clear I didn't imply or say the sale was a bad thing. I just don't think it will change anything.
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Feb 11, 2024 22:38:19 GMT
The original versions of MJ's music on xscape also sounded like shit and the estate were fine with Sony then. I don't expect anything to change. Hopefully I'm wrong. Slightly offtopic but did you hear Beano Wild's stereo mix of She Was Loving Me? I think he did a great job given the limitations of the source material. Just A/B this with the version on the album and it just drives home what a travesty it is that they released it that way. Yeah I saw that it's pretty cool. I agree he did a good job considering the source. They really need to release an official stereo version, although we know it'll never happen. |
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Post by LindavG on Feb 12, 2024 0:13:39 GMT
Absolutely nothing! In fact, the opposite! It further cements MJ and positions him above everyone including Dylan and Springsteen! And they’re still alive! Or perhaps more importantly Elvis and The Beatles. In my eyes it sets Jackson right on top of the immortals. Exactly! If half of Michael's catalog is worth $1.2 billion....the whole thing is worth twice that. Michael is right at the very top by a very large margin! Nobody comes close. And the man's life was marred by a lot of shit thrown at him for having the intelligence he did to become SO successful! He's not the King Of Pop. No, he's simply The King! From what I understand $1.2 to $1.5 billion is the total valuation of the catalogue and Sony bought a 50% stake in it so they paid around $600-750 million. Still a lot of money, more than any other artist. I think they will get their money's worth. Michael's popularity is steadily growing. I feel a shift in the way people talk about him. Just in the past few weeks on Instagram I saw Phil Colins, the Beegees, Lionel Richie, David Foster and Netflix post about MJ and the comments were overwhelmingly positive. If the biopic does well, it could be another major boost to his career. I'm trying not to be too optimistic because as MJ fans we've been burnt so many times, but still. I hope Dan Reed, Wade and Safechuck are seething. |
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