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Post by respect77 on May 14, 2023 16:43:01 GMT
Seems to be the hot topic of our time. What are your thoughts, feelings? Does it make you anxious or hopeful for our future?
I watched this presentation recently which was interesting but also a bit scary. We might open Pandora's Box with this one, it seems.
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Post by Seven on May 16, 2023 7:14:14 GMT
While I'm sure AI has reasonable applications in certain areas, it needs to stay AWAY from art. Of course that ship has sailed, but I'm seeing so many people act like it can replace artists entirely. That goes for visual art and music. The AI music I've heard ranges from uncanny to appalling.
I'm an artist and am part of many different online art circles and communities. Every respectable artist I know hates it. It's gotten to a point where I'm now suspicious of any art that gives off the slightest AI "vibes" (you know how they kind of have that look about them?). We're all collectively on edge.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2023 12:03:53 GMT
While I'm sure AI has reasonable applications in certain areas, it needs to stay AWAY from art. Of course that ship has sailed, but I'm seeing so many people act like it can replace artists entirely. That goes for visual art and music. The AI music I've heard ranges from uncanny to appalling. I'm an artist and am part of many different online art circles and communities. Every respectable artist I know hates it. It's gotten to a point where I'm now suspicious of any art that gives off the slightest AI "vibes" (you know how they kind of have that look about them?). We're all collectively on edge. I don't know where you are based, but a photographer in Ireland or the UK (I can't remember which) recently won a photography contest. After he won, he admitted his photo was AI to prove a point. In 20 or 30 years, the lines will blur and people will be absolutely certain that they could remember watching Michael Jackson singing I Will Always Love You at an event.
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Post by pg13 on May 18, 2023 15:23:54 GMT
While I'm sure AI has reasonable applications in certain areas, it needs to stay AWAY from art. Of course that ship has sailed, but I'm seeing so many people act like it can replace artists entirely. That goes for visual art and music. The AI music I've heard ranges from uncanny to appalling. I'm an artist and am part of many different online art circles and communities. Every respectable artist I know hates it. It's gotten to a point where I'm now suspicious of any art that gives off the slightest AI "vibes" (you know how they kind of have that look about them?). We're all collectively on edge. I don't know where you are based, but a photographer in Ireland or the UK (I can't remember which) recently won a photography contest. After he won, he admitted his photo was AI to prove a point. In 20 or 30 years, the lines will blur and people will be absolutely certain that they could remember watching Michael Jackson singing I Will Always Love You at an event. He wasn't from the UK or the Republic of Ireland, but from Germany. www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/apr/17/photographer-admits-prize-winning-image-was-ai-generatedShould all be government regulated, especially since this could have national security implications in future.
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Post by Liberian Girl on May 19, 2023 17:34:57 GMT
The whole thing makes me uncomfortable.
There could be certain areas where AI may be beneficial but I feel that in many cases, it will be either a threat or will undermine much of what humanity has to offer.
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Post by pg13 on May 19, 2023 20:46:13 GMT
I tried ChatGPT tonight for the first time and debated it on Provisional Sinn Féin and Provisional IRA.
ChatGPT at first claimed they were separate organisations until I provided evidence they are the same. In the end, ChatGPT agreed with me and apologised for initially misleading me when I pointed this out.
I then moved onto whether the IRA were defeated. Again, ChatGPT asserted they weren’t and said a fair bit of mealy mouthed things. This one was more of a battle because ChatGPT liked to sit on the fence, sound reasonable by trying to see both sides of the issue at once. But in the end ChatGPT ran out of road for their argument and actually accepted my argument the IRA was defeated.
ChatGPT replies to you instantly, but because I covered all bases I was able to get ChatGPT to become much, much slower in responding. At one point, it took a whole minute to reply which was funny!
Point here is that ChatGPT cannot replace a human being who is very knowledgeable about a specific topic and who can not only provide supporting evidence but can interpret that evidence.
If a person is not so knowledgeable about a topic, I would say they're more likely to fall for what ChatGPT will tell them.
Therefore, there is really NO substitute for education, education, education amongst the general public on as wide a variety of issues as possible.
Try it yourself on a very specific, possibly niche, topic you know so well and I wouldn't be surprised if you'll get the same experience I got...and trounce ChatGPT!
Seems to me AI is a very, very, very long way off from replacing humans in terms of critical thinking, debate, art, music and so on.
ChatGPT certainly has its limits. It might be a useful tool in a very limited way though.
But I do feel that governments should be regulating ALL AI developments from now on. There are social, cultural and even national security implications with AI developments.
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Post by pg13 on May 19, 2023 21:02:50 GMT
I think ChatGPT can be useful for limited things such as "Why should I learn a second language?".
ChatGPT will list six brief points.
But AI is still no substitute for your own critical thinking and argument skills, not by a long, long shot.
There is still concern about an unregulated ChatGPT being out there. It will be influencing a lot of people's views as we speak.
I believe developments like ChatGPT will highlight the importance of each country's education system. It will have to be robust in order to deal with the rapid development of AI such as ChatGPT.
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Post by respect77 on May 29, 2023 10:55:19 GMT
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Post by respect77 on May 29, 2023 11:20:02 GMT
I don't know if I'm amazed or scared by all this. I'm not at all against high tech, but I feel this won't end well, especially as far as workplaces are concerned. I'm already hearing about people being replaced by AI. This is not good unless societies are ready to give people a guaranteed basic income, but I fear a social safety net is not going to be built up as fast as AI is going to take over workplaces.
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Post by aazzaabb on May 29, 2023 11:51:14 GMT
I don't know if I'm amazed or scared by all this. I'm not at all against high tech, but I feel this won't end well, especially as far as workplaces are concerned. I'm already hearing about people being replaced by AI. This is not good unless societies are ready to give people a guaranteed basic income, but I fear a social safety net is not going to be built up as fast as AI is going to take over workplaces. It’s unbelievable isn’t it? I’ve been following this whole AI thing for about a year now and am absolutely floored by much of what I’ve read, seen and conversations I’ve listened to. About 5 years ago I read a brilliant article in an Irish paper about the day when the machines will take over and well, that technology is here now. I don’t think most people actually understand what AI is capable of. When one AI like Ameca can speak every language, has the input of every piece of literature ever recorded and documented, has the answers to every conceivable mathematical equation, has the ability to answer any question a human being can possibly conceive of, and has more strength, endurance, ingenuity than it’s possible for us mere mortals to have, then there is no longer a need for us. A lot of people don’t believe these AI’s can become sentient yet numerous tests have shown that they can lie, cheat and even become dark in there behaviour. Heck, they’re almost sentient right now! Or extremely close! Mankind has finally created Frankenstein and it’s own downfall.
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Post by aazzaabb on May 29, 2023 11:56:17 GMT
While I'm sure AI has reasonable applications in certain areas, it needs to stay AWAY from art. Of course that ship has sailed, but I'm seeing so many people act like it can replace artists entirely. That goes for visual art and music. The AI music I've heard ranges from uncanny to appalling. I'm an artist and am part of many different online art circles and communities. Every respectable artist I know hates it. It's gotten to a point where I'm now suspicious of any art that gives off the slightest AI "vibes" (you know how they kind of have that look about them?). We're all collectively on edge. That ship has sailed and there won’t be any going back. It’s a sad day for art which is one of human beings highest form of expression but there’s no stopping this technology now and where it’s going.
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Post by aazzaabb on May 29, 2023 11:58:09 GMT
If Ameca is what they ARE showing us imagine what they’re NOT showing us!
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Post by respect77 on May 29, 2023 12:28:57 GMT
People look at ChatGPT and it's giving stupid answers sometimes and it can make people dismissive of AI's abilities, but they don't realize it's just the beginning and AI's learning curve is much steeper than any human's. It's really scary stuff and no wonder some scientists actually ring the alarm bell now, that development should stop or be slowed down at least as long as we figure out as societies how to handle the consequences. But of course it falls on deaf ears. It's not going well. The result of this seems to be wealth being concentrated in even fewer hands than before and more people becoming unemployed and poor.
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Post by aazzaabb on May 29, 2023 12:46:54 GMT
People look at ChatGPT and it's giving stupid answers sometimes and it can make people dismissive of AI's abilities, but they don't realize it's just the beginning and AI's learning curve is much steeper than any human's. It's really scary stuff and no wonder some scientists actually ring the alarm bell now, that development should stop or be slowed down at least as long as we figure out as societies how to handle the consequences. But of course it falls on deaf ears. It's not going well. The result of this seems to be wealth being concentrated in even fewer hands than before and more people becoming unemployed and poor.Yes, I believe this to be part of the ultimate plan. Musk and others have signed this 6 month delay petition but what’s 6 months in terms of todays world? 6 months in this day and age only feels like 6 weeks lol. And 6 months in terms of how fast this technology is evolving is almost pointless. There’s a real fear within the science world that if AI gets a grip it will shut us off from one another via everything we use because everything we use including things like aeroplanes and navigation systems are all run off internet technology. Imagine all the airports suddenly shutting down, internet shutting down, the ATM machines and bank cards we use not working etc. Why should AI technology listen to human beings if doesn’t want to? It’s crazy.
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Post by respect77 on May 29, 2023 13:23:15 GMT
And BTW, looking at that "Morgan Freeman" video I was thinking of whether the movie industry would use this technology in the future. For example, for the new MJ biopic you shouldn't even have to hire Jaafar or anyone to play him, who could never be exactly like him, but they could create such a realistic AI generated version of MJ. Singing in his voice, moving like he moved etc. In ways an actor or impersonator would neve be able to replicate him. I don't think this is going to happen with the MJ biopic, Jaafar is already hired. I'm just musing what it could mean for "resurrecting" dead artists. For biopics or other use. I'm pretty sure one day a biopic will come that will do just that...
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