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Post by respect77 on Oct 15, 2023 6:10:12 GMT
There's no difference between these people to me and the neonazis chanting "Jews will not replace us". This is how the growing hatred through the 1920s and 1930s must have felt like for Jews.
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Post by respect77 on Oct 15, 2023 7:33:47 GMT
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Post by pg13 on Oct 16, 2023 14:59:40 GMT
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Post by pg13 on Oct 16, 2023 19:59:25 GMT
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Post by respect77 on Oct 17, 2023 2:40:44 GMT
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Post by respect77 on Oct 17, 2023 6:05:02 GMT
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Post by Snow White on Oct 17, 2023 6:21:02 GMT
If Hamas/Jihadists love the martyrdom mindset so much, why don't they kill themselves in the name of Allah instead of manipulating and using Palestinian civilians as human shields or suicide bombers?
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Post by respect77 on Oct 17, 2023 8:39:13 GMT
This is a good friend of mine from Israel:
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Oct 17, 2023 15:11:59 GMT
If Hamas/Jihadists love the martyrdom mindset so much, why don't they kill themselves in the name of Allah instead of manipulating and using Palestinian civilians as human shields or suicide bombers? Its like the old kamikaze pilots in world war two or the modern day suicide bombers. Brainwash those that shall we say arent the brightest button in the pack. God forbid those high up would want to do it.
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Post by Snow White on Oct 17, 2023 18:35:31 GMT
The more fanatical and indoctrinated, the bette.
I'm aware Israelis stopped occupying Gaza in 2005 but the reason why I'm not fully on board with Israel is due to their illegal settlement after WWII. The initial oppression and kicking the population out that already lived there was a breeding ground to create hateful people with resentment, adding up that Muslims believe the Qu'ran is the literal word of god.
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Post by respect77 on Oct 18, 2023 6:54:27 GMT
The more fanatical and indoctrinated, the bette. I'm aware Israelis stopped occupying Gaza in 2005 but the reason why I'm not fully on board with Israel is due to their illegal settlement after WWII. The initial oppression and kicking the population out that already lived there was a breeding ground to create hateful people with resentment, adding up that Muslims believe the Qu'ran is the literal word of god. It wasn't an illegal settlement after WW2. The original British Mandate consisted of today's Jordan, Israel and what we today call the Palestinian territories. 75 percent of that area already went to the Arabs (Jordan). The remaining 25 percent was to be further divided into a Jewish homeland and another Arab one (the Palestinian national identity didn't really exist until the 1960s, they were just Arabs) by the League of Nations. Jews accepted their part of the deal, although it was far from an ideal country, for example its borders were very vulnerable. But their mindset was it's better than nothing. Arabs on the other hand turned down the Arab state and instead six Arab countries attacked the newly formed Jewish state to destroy it in 1948. Once again the newly formed Israel wasn't an illegal settlement. It was ratified by the League of Nations. It wasn't unique at the time for a new state to be formed. After WW1 and WW2 was the era of new nation states being formed all over the world as former empires fell apart. For example, in my area the Austrian-Hungarian Empire fell apart and a number of new nation states formed in its place in the name of national self determination (Czechoslovakia, Serbia, Croatia etc). In the Middle East it was the falling apart if the Ottoman Empire which made it possible for new nation states to form in its place. Israel wasn't at all unique in this. Jordan, Iraq, Syria etc all formed during that time. All Arab, all Muslim majority. I don't think a tiny Jewish state in the sea of several Arab and Muslim states is such an unjust thing. There are actually lots of non-Arab ethnic groups that are indigenous to the region. Jews are one of them. The others IMO too would deserve self-determination (for example Kurds, Yazidi). And in any case, Israel wasn't illegal. It was approved by the League of Nations. And BTW, it wasn't an as densely populated area as it is today. Today there are around 14-15 million people on this land that's Israel + Palestinian territories, but back then when Zionism started it was sparsely populated of only around 500 thousand people in the late 1800s. Mostly by nomadic Arabs, but also some Jews (Jerusalem, for example, already had a Jewish majority in the 1800s before Zionism). Most of the land was deserts and swamps. Clearly there was room here for a Jewish state too. It's not like Jews went there to occupy an already existing country. It wasn't a country. It was the worn down, neglected province of an empire, the Ottoman Empire that fell apart after WW1. It was during the 1948 war, which was started by six Arab countries trying to eliminate the new-born Jewish state, that around 750,000 Arabs fled from Israel. This is what Palestinians call the Naqba (catastrophe). If you ask them they will say the Israelis drove them out. If you ask Israelis they will say the Arab nations called the Israeli Arabs to leave to be safe from the warzone, promising them a certain victory over the Jews after which they can return. The truth is somewhere in between, both things happened: some fled following Arab instructions, some were indeed driven away. But the genocidal Arab war against Israel didn't turn out the way Arabs anticipated. There were Arabs who did stay in Israel and they have become full right citizens of Israel. Today around 21 percent of Israel are Arabs. They enjoy full, equal rights. A lesser discussed part of the equation that Arab states also drove away around 850,000 Jews in the 40s-50s. Most were absorbed by Israel and fully integrated into society so no one talks about those displaced people. Meanwhile Arab countries deliberately refuse to settle down Palestinian refugees and integrate them into their society in order to keep up the "Palestinian refugee question" perpetually as a political tool. Mind you, today most of these "refugees" are of course the descendants of the original refugees (that's how 750k became 5 million today) who never lived in Israel. Palestinians are the only people where refugee status can be inherited. They were given unique rights by the UN that no other ethnicity in the world enjoys.
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Post by respect77 on Oct 18, 2023 7:00:21 GMT
The media once again behaved incredibly irresponsibly regarding the bombing of the hospital in Gaza. As it turns out it most likely was caused by a misfiring Palestinian rocket.
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Post by respect77 on Oct 19, 2023 3:23:26 GMT
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Post by respect77 on Oct 19, 2023 3:36:29 GMT
The media once again behaved incredibly irresponsibly regarding the bombing of the hospital in Gaza. As it turns out it most likely was caused by a misfiring Palestinian rocket. And BTW here it's important to note that any time you read about the number of civilian deaths in Gaza, during this war or in the past, the source is always Hamas for that. Always. There's no independent way of confirming the numbers they put out and their interest is, of course, to inflate those numbers. And here, by the example of this incident, we have a strong indication, that Hamas indeed massively inflates those numbers. So any time you see numbers from Gaza, know who the source for those numbers is.
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Post by pg13 on Oct 19, 2023 5:56:16 GMT
One of the reasons too many people have been running with media reports and "Gaza Health Ministry says" is because Western media has largely failed to inform them that Gaza Health Ministry = Hamas. Always take the respectable sounding name of Gaza Health Ministry with a massive pinch of salt. This is the same group who murdered scores of Israelis in cold blood.
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