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Post by Michaelounet on Jan 28, 2024 20:49:13 GMT
It was written by R. Kelly, and I am not a believer that we must separate the work and the artist because I think that art and the spirit are intimately linked... and I don't like this song so it doesn't change anything. :')
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Post by butterflies2 on Jan 28, 2024 21:35:54 GMT
I don’t listen to r.Kelly anymore but I still play songs he wrote for others, and actually think Cry is a masterpiece
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Post by invinciblegal on Jan 31, 2024 6:28:41 GMT
I don’t listen to r.Kelly anymore but I still play songs he wrote for others, and actually think Cry is a masterpiece Cry is one of my favourites on Invincible. Always makes me feel warm inside. It was written by R. Kelly, and I am not a believer that we must separate the work and the artist because I think that art and the spirit are intimately linked... and I don't like this song so it doesn't change anything. :') Whilst I agree that art and the spirit are intimately linked, I think MJ's contributions to the track make me feel like I'm listening to an MJ track and not an R Kelly one. That beat is MJ 101 (I think MJ is credited in the liner notes for the drum programming) and MJ always had the ability to emote other peoples songs with his vocals in a way that made them his own. |
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Post by butterflies2 on Jan 31, 2024 6:33:19 GMT
Yeah exactly, it does sound more mj than r. Kelly’s style
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Post by MattyJam on Feb 1, 2024 21:27:51 GMT
Turns out MJ has the exact same top 3 as me:
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Post by aazzaabb on Feb 3, 2024 1:42:21 GMT
I don’t listen to r.Kelly anymore but I still play songs he wrote for others, and actually think Cry is a masterpiece Cry is one of my favourites on Invincible. Always makes me feel warm inside. It was written by R. Kelly, and I am not a believer that we must separate the work and the artist because I think that art and the spirit are intimately linked... and I don't like this song so it doesn't change anything. :') Whilst I agree that art and the spirit are intimately linked, I think MJ's contributions to the track make me feel like I'm listening to an MJ track and not an R Kelly one. That beat is MJ 101 (I think MJ is credited in the liner notes for the drum programming) and MJ always had the ability to emote other peoples songs with his vocals in a way that made them his own. Same. I’ve never thought of them as R Kelly songs as such. I think of them as Michael Jackson songs, in much the same way as I don’t really consider Rock With You a Rod Temperton song or It’s The Falling In Love a Carole Bayer Sager song or Human Nature a Steve Porcaro song or PYT a James Ingram song etc. MJ made everything he sang that was written by others, his own. When You Are Not Alone was absolutely massive in the 90’s I never heard anyone say “I really love this R Kelly song!” or “I really hate this R Kelly song!” They’re all MJ songs. His versions were the original versions. |
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Post by Michaelounet on Feb 3, 2024 16:42:03 GMT
I understand your point of view, but I find it difficult to share it. This song was written by someone who had perverse ideas and according to wikipedia, Kelly wrote this song for her teenage ex who had just lost her baby. I don't know if it's true but knowing the character, I get this idea when I listen to the song. Then I don't really like it so with all that... Personally I prefer to listen to songs written by Michael, Temperton, Jones, Santana, etc...
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Post by Michaelounet on Feb 29, 2024 18:44:34 GMT
I think invincible annoys you No, but the faux-worship by people making out it's on a par with earlier works does. Enjoy it by all means, but don't pretend it's on a par with earlier works. Don't @ me. Invincible is infinitely better than the horrible History which is his worst album in my eyes. |
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Post by respect77 on Mar 1, 2024 3:00:58 GMT
No, but the faux-worship by people making out it's on a par with earlier works does. Enjoy it by all means, but don't pretend it's on a par with earlier works. Don't @ me. Invincible is infinitely better than the horrible History which is his worst album in my eyes. Blasphemy. |
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Post by Michaelounet on Mar 1, 2024 9:03:32 GMT
Invincible is infinitely better than the horrible History which is his worst album in my eyes. Blasphemy. To say that History is better with its clumsy lyrics and poor, old-fashioned sounds is logically an ultimate apocalypse. |
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Post by respect77 on Mar 1, 2024 9:06:54 GMT
To say that History is better with its clumsy lyrics and poor, old-fashioned sounds is logically an ultimate apocalypse. You just described Invincible. |
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Post by Michaelounet on Mar 1, 2024 9:26:07 GMT
Nope, I described History. 🙃 Invincible is sonically richer and more original to Michael's career than History will ever be.
But then if it's your opinion, I respect it, tastes and colors are within everyone's reach ^^
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Post by MattyJam on Mar 1, 2024 10:31:10 GMT
HIStory is his greatest work imo. Clumsy lyrics? HIStory had the best, most personal and well-written lyrics of his entire career. Songs like Money, Tabloid Junkie, Stranger In Moscow are pure poetry.
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Post by respect77 on Mar 1, 2024 12:27:24 GMT
HIStory is his greatest work imo. Clumsy lyrics? HIStory had the best, most personal and well-written lyrics of his entire career. Songs like Money, Tabloid Junkie, Stranger In Moscow are pure poetry. On the other hand, the genius and authentic lyrics of 2000 Watts...  |
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Post by MattyJam on Mar 1, 2024 13:56:05 GMT
HIStory is his greatest work imo. Clumsy lyrics? HIStory had the best, most personal and well-written lyrics of his entire career. Songs like Money, Tabloid Junkie, Stranger In Moscow are pure poetry. On the other hand, the genius and authentic lyrics of 2000 Watts... Well, there's some throwaway pop on Invincible for sure, which is actually a good thing in my eyes. I don't always wanna listen to deep masterpieces, y'know? |
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