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Post by Michaelounet on Mar 2, 2024 15:16:40 GMT
HIStory is his greatest work imo. Clumsy lyrics? HIStory had the best, most personal and well-written lyrics of his entire career. Songs like Money, Tabloid Junkie, Stranger In Moscow are pure poetry. I absolutely do not agree. It's the worst in my eyes. I find the lyrics poor. But I respect your opinion.
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Post by TonyR on Mar 2, 2024 20:06:11 GMT
HIStory is his greatest work imo. Clumsy lyrics? HIStory had the best, most personal and well-written lyrics of his entire career. Songs like Money, Tabloid Junkie, Stranger In Moscow are pure poetry. I absolutely do not agree. It's the worst in my eyes. I find the lyrics poor. But I respect your opinion. Examples of the poor lyrics please?
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Post by LindavG on Mar 2, 2024 22:10:14 GMT
I absolutely do not agree. It's the worst in my eyes. I find the lyrics poor. But I respect your opinion. Examples of the poor lyrics please? Maybe "Tom Sneddon is a cold man (x17)" could have been stronger but it does make me laugh every time I hear it. HIStory has so many gems, I think overall it's Michael's best work as a writer. I love his more personal songs.
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Post by respect77 on Mar 3, 2024 4:58:44 GMT
I absolutely do not agree. It's the worst in my eyes. I find the lyrics poor. But I respect your opinion. Examples of the poor lyrics please? Especially regarding the three songs Matty mentioned being "the worst" lyrically... (DS, I would agree is a bit lame, but that's not what Matty brought up.)
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Post by MattyJam on Mar 3, 2024 6:55:01 GMT
Examples of the poor lyrics please? Maybe "Tom Sneddon is a cold man (x17)" could have been stronger but it does make me laugh every time I hear it. Now even that I disagree is weak. A lot of the choruses on HIStory are like chants or mantras, as MJ would put it. See TDCAU, This Time Around, 2 Bad, D.S. And for me, on a song like D.S., the repetition just serves to hammer home the point. Sneddon was a corrupt bastard and MJ wanted the world to know. The song is bold and brave and badass imo. Far be it from me to slag off Invincible (folks around here know all too well that I love it), but if we're talking clumsy lyrics in MJs catalogue, it is this album where you'll find it most. "Will the sun ever shine in the blind mans eyes when he cries?" - I actually like Cry quite a bit, but the lyrics are complete gibberish. In terms of lyrics, R Kelly did a much better job on YANA, which is actually quite nice lyrically for a soppy love ballad. And of course, there's the infamous "shorty really wanna be there for me" line in 2000 Watts - a slang term which sounds very unconvincing coming from a middle-aged, fairly conservative, devoted father of two at the time.
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Post by invinciblegal on Mar 3, 2024 12:43:00 GMT
Nope, I described History. 🙃 Invincible is sonically richer and more original to Michael's career than History will ever be. But then if it's your opinion, I respect it, tastes and colors are within everyone's reach ^^ I prefer Invincible to HIStory too. I wouldn't say HIStory was his worst album though - that would be Off The Wall.
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Post by ghost on Mar 8, 2024 20:42:05 GMT
Nope, I described History. 🙃 Invincible is sonically richer and more original to Michael's career than History will ever be. But then if it's your opinion, I respect it, tastes and colors are within everyone's reach ^^ I prefer Invincible to HIStory too. I wouldn't say HIStory was his worst album though - that would be Off The Wall. This is madness. Although I will say, I listened to Whatever Happens today for the first time in ages and I totally see why it won the Invincible survivor. It is a terrific song and he sings the hell out of it in a way nobody else could.
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Post by MattyJam on Mar 27, 2024 18:02:24 GMT
Don't care what anybody says, listening to it right now and 2000 Watts is a choon!
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Post by electriceyes on Apr 2, 2024 11:04:34 GMT
Don't care what anybody says, listening to it right now and 2000 Watts is a choon! 2000 Watts is my fave on the album! BTW, full leak of Can't Take Your Weight Off Of Me leaked the other day. Better quality and complete:
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Post by MattyJam on Apr 8, 2024 20:24:18 GMT
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Post by abbeycodi on Apr 9, 2024 18:26:10 GMT
Well… this is gonna be a downer. For staters, I don’t listen to many songs off this album and this is the first time I am giving it a full listen in forever. My first impression is that this album really lacks MJ’s voice and artistic touch, yes he’s singing and doing his typical MJ trademarks, but I don’t hear HIM. His essence is absent for most of this album. It feels so inauthentic and is clearly written and crafted by many other people trying to make MJ fit into the musical landscape of the time. The songs he contributed to most were his sentimental songs—which are alright. He doesn’t bring anything complex or hard-hitting of his own to the table. There ARE some gems here, but they are so far and few between. Anyway, here’s my ranking:
UNBREAKABLE- Great funky beat, but takes way too long to start and it gets v repetitive after the first few minutes (6/10)
HEARTBREAKER- I never listen to this song and I was just reminded why. Weird vocals, awkward video game beat. Overall, not great (3/10)
INVINCIBLE- also never listen to this track. There’s something so different about his vocals on these first few tracks that really throw me off. It’s like he’s trying too hard or something, straining almost. This track sounds like the first 2 songs. Nothing of great remark (4/10)
BREAK OF DAWN- I like this song, V catchy slow jam and it certainly has a great melody, mood and vocals. The theme of it rings false though, the sexuality is too forced and inorganic to me. He has plenty of sexier songs that feel more authentic. (7/10)
HEAVEN CAN WAIT- Similar slow jam vibe to ‘break of dawn’. catchy and nice vocals but once again something about the song rings false. I don’t hear HIM (6/10)
YOU ROCK MY WORLD- “she IS bangin” we’re back to classic MJ! Phenomenal beat and a super fun, catchy song, great production and background vocals. Best track on the album (9/10)
BUTTERFLIES- a lovely sensual slow jam, production and vocals are amazing. One of the best tracks on this album (9/10)
SPEECHLESS- now this feels like quintessential sappy saccharine MJ. Pretty, but idk if it’s album worthy tbh. Could’ve been a secret bonus track at the end of the album that you would eventually hear if you didn’t turn it off right away (5/10)
2000 WATTS- I have always secretly liked this song… idk why exactly. It has great energy that makes me groove along. It’s fun even w its uncharacteristically deep vocals and corny theme of sexualizing sound decibels (7/10)
YOU ARE MY LIFE- I like the chorus, it’s a pretty tune. His riffing at the end is the best part. However, his vocals sound muddied or something on this track, not as crisp. (6/10)
PRIVACY- what’s an MJ album without an anti- tabloid song? I don’t mind this one. It’s guttural and catchy but it’s overproduced and gets v repetitive (7/10)
DON’T WALK AWAY- I like this one. It feels heartfelt and authentic for once. Nice melodic chorus w great acoustic guitar throughout. Why does he keep saying “Brangelina” near the end? I guess he was a fan of the couple (this is a joke) (8/10)
CRY- this is such a corny song and not in an endearing way. Simple, fine melody but it’s so naïve and silly. “If we all cry at the same time they would be no more wars” oh brother… To be fair, he didn’t write it, but it’s like someone (R Kelly) took the worst aspects of MJ’s humanitarian/sentimental songs and came up w this. Yuck (2/10)
THE LOST CHILDREN- um idk what to say about this one except it sounds like a christmas carol. The theme is too on the nose for my taste (3/10)
WHATEVER HAPPENS- Cool song, love the western sounding intro. Sexy guitar (“thank YOU Carlos”) and production. Again, his vocals sound off, muddied, straining. (7/10)
THREATENED- The chorus is pretty good, definitely catchy, but the beat is awkward, clunky. There is this noise that sounds like someone is moving a heavy bookshelf throughout the verses. He's made much better attempts at his beloved gothic theme than this track. The spoken word outro is awfully prophetic being the last words on his last song on his last album. Spooky (6/10)
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Post by TonyR on Apr 9, 2024 19:33:39 GMT
Well… this is gonna be a downer. For staters, I don’t listen to many songs off this album and this is the first time I am giving it a full listen in forever. My first impression is that this album really lacks MJ’s voice and artistic touch, yes he’s singing and doing his typical MJ trademarks, but I don’t hear HIM. His essence is absent for most of this album. It feels so inauthentic and is clearly written and crafted by many other people trying to make MJ fit into the musical landscape of the time. The songs he contributed to most were his sentimental songs—which are alright. He doesn’t bring anything complex or hard-hitting of his own to the table. There ARE some gems here, but they are so far and few between. Anyway, here’s my ranking: UNBREAKABLE- Great funky beat, but takes way too long to start and it gets v repetitive after the first few minutes (6/10) HEARTBREAKER- I never listen to this song and I was just reminded why. Weird vocals, awkward video game beat. Overall, not great (3/10) INVINCIBLE- also never listen to this track. There’s something so different about his vocals on these first few tracks that really throw me off. It’s like he’s trying too hard or something, straining almost. This track sounds like the first 2 songs. Nothing of great remark (4/10) BREAK OF DAWN- I like this song, V catchy slow jam and it certainly has a great melody, mood and vocals. The theme of it rings false though, the sexuality is too forced and inorganic to me. He has plenty of sexier songs that feel more authentic. (7/10) HEAVEN CAN WAIT- Similar slow jam vibe to ‘break of dawn’. catchy and nice vocals but once again something about the song rings false. I don’t hear HIM (6/10) YOU ROCK MY WORLD- “she IS bangin” we’re back to classic MJ! Phenomenal beat and a super fun, catchy song, great production and background vocals. Best track on the album (9/10) BUTTERFLIES- a lovely sensual slow jam, production and vocals are amazing. One of the best tracks on this album (9/10) SPEECHLESS- now this feels like quintessential sappy saccharine MJ. Pretty, but idk if it’s album worthy tbh. Could’ve been a secret bonus track at the end of the album that you would eventually hear if you didn’t turn it off right away (5/10) 2000 WATTS- I have always secretly liked this song… idk why exactly. It has great energy that makes me groove along. It’s fun even w its uncharacteristically deep vocals and corny theme of sexualizing sound decibels (7/10) YOU ARE MY LIFE- I like the chorus, it’s a pretty tune. His riffing at the end is the best part. However, his vocals sound muddied or something on this track, not as crisp. (6/10) PRIVACY- what’s an MJ album without an anti- tabloid song? I don’t mind this one. It’s guttural and catchy but it’s overproduced and gets v repetitive (7/10) DON’T WALK AWAY- I like this one. It feels heartfelt and authentic for once. Nice melodic chorus w great acoustic guitar throughout. Why does he keep saying “Brangelina” near the end? I guess he was a fan of the couple (this is a joke) (8/10) CRY- this is such a corny song and not in an endearing way. Simple, fine melody but it’s so naïve and silly. “If we all cry at the same time they would be no more wars” oh brother… To be fair, he didn’t write it, but it’s like someone (R Kelly) took the worst aspects of MJ’s humanitarian/sentimental songs and came up w this. Yuck (2/10) THE LOST CHILDREN- um idk what to say about this one except it sounds like a christmas carol. The theme is too on the nose for my taste (3/10) WHATEVER HAPPENS- Cool song, love the western sounding intro. Sexy guitar (“thank YOU Carlos”) and production. Again, his vocals sound off, muddied, straining. (7/10) THREATENED- The chorus is pretty good, definitely catchy, but the beat is awkward, clunky. There is this noise that sounds like someone is moving a heavy bookshelf throughout the verses. He's made much better attempts at his beloved gothic theme than this track. The spoken word outro is awfully prophetic being the last words on his last song on his last album. Spooky (6/10) Be careful what you wish for MattyJam
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Post by MattyJam on Apr 9, 2024 19:58:16 GMT
Well… this is gonna be a downer. For staters, I don’t listen to many songs off this album and this is the first time I am giving it a full listen in forever. My first impression is that this album really lacks MJ’s voice and artistic touch, yes he’s singing and doing his typical MJ trademarks, but I don’t hear HIM. His essence is absent for most of this album. It feels so inauthentic and is clearly written and crafted by many other people trying to make MJ fit into the musical landscape of the time. The songs he contributed to most were his sentimental songs—which are alright. He doesn’t bring anything complex or hard-hitting of his own to the table. There ARE some gems here, but they are so far and few between. Anyway, here’s my ranking: UNBREAKABLE- Great funky beat, but takes way too long to start and it gets v repetitive after the first few minutes (6/10) HEARTBREAKER- I never listen to this song and I was just reminded why. Weird vocals, awkward video game beat. Overall, not great (3/10) INVINCIBLE- also never listen to this track. There’s something so different about his vocals on these first few tracks that really throw me off. It’s like he’s trying too hard or something, straining almost. This track sounds like the first 2 songs. Nothing of great remark (4/10) BREAK OF DAWN- I like this song, V catchy slow jam and it certainly has a great melody, mood and vocals. The theme of it rings false though, the sexuality is too forced and inorganic to me. He has plenty of sexier songs that feel more authentic. (7/10) HEAVEN CAN WAIT- Similar slow jam vibe to ‘break of dawn’. catchy and nice vocals but once again something about the song rings false. I don’t hear HIM (6/10) YOU ROCK MY WORLD- “she IS bangin” we’re back to classic MJ! Phenomenal beat and a super fun, catchy song, great production and background vocals. Best track on the album (9/10) BUTTERFLIES- a lovely sensual slow jam, production and vocals are amazing. One of the best tracks on this album (9/10) SPEECHLESS- now this feels like quintessential sappy saccharine MJ. Pretty, but idk if it’s album worthy tbh. Could’ve been a secret bonus track at the end of the album that you would eventually hear if you didn’t turn it off right away (5/10) 2000 WATTS- I have always secretly liked this song… idk why exactly. It has great energy that makes me groove along. It’s fun even w its uncharacteristically deep vocals and corny theme of sexualizing sound decibels (7/10) YOU ARE MY LIFE- I like the chorus, it’s a pretty tune. His riffing at the end is the best part. However, his vocals sound muddied or something on this track, not as crisp. (6/10) PRIVACY- what’s an MJ album without an anti- tabloid song? I don’t mind this one. It’s guttural and catchy but it’s overproduced and gets v repetitive (7/10) DON’T WALK AWAY- I like this one. It feels heartfelt and authentic for once. Nice melodic chorus w great acoustic guitar throughout. Why does he keep saying “Brangelina” near the end? I guess he was a fan of the couple (this is a joke) (8/10) CRY- this is such a corny song and not in an endearing way. Simple, fine melody but it’s so naïve and silly. “If we all cry at the same time they would be no more wars” oh brother… To be fair, he didn’t write it, but it’s like someone (R Kelly) took the worst aspects of MJ’s humanitarian/sentimental songs and came up w this. Yuck (2/10) THE LOST CHILDREN- um idk what to say about this one except it sounds like a christmas carol. The theme is too on the nose for my taste (3/10) WHATEVER HAPPENS- Cool song, love the western sounding intro. Sexy guitar (“thank YOU Carlos”) and production. Again, his vocals sound off, muddied, straining. (7/10) THREATENED- The chorus is pretty good, definitely catchy, but the beat is awkward, clunky. There is this noise that sounds like someone is moving a heavy bookshelf throughout the verses. He's made much better attempts at his beloved gothic theme than this track. The spoken word outro is awfully prophetic being the last words on his last song on his last album. Spooky (6/10) Be careful what you wish for MattyJamMeh, I respect her opinion even if I don't agree with it. Speechless as a hidden track is a novel idea, although to me, it's always felt like the clear album centrepiece and very much belongs on the main album. It would've been interesting to see how MJ would've been making albums in the 2010's-present day. I somehow can't imagine MJ doing deluxe editions with bonus tracks like everyone seems to do these days. The album was the album in his mind, I think he would've struggled with the way artists release music nowadays.
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Post by MattyJam on Apr 9, 2024 19:59:59 GMT
Did I say the word "days" enough? Days.
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Post by MattyJam on Apr 9, 2024 20:09:30 GMT
Well… this is gonna be a downer. For staters, I don’t listen to many songs off this album and this is the first time I am giving it a full listen in forever. My first impression is that this album really lacks MJ’s voice and artistic touch, yes he’s singing and doing his typical MJ trademarks, but I don’t hear HIM. His essence is absent for most of this album. It feels so inauthentic and is clearly written and crafted by many other people trying to make MJ fit into the musical landscape of the time. The songs he contributed to most were his sentimental songs—which are alright. He doesn’t bring anything complex or hard-hitting of his own to the table. There ARE some gems here, but they are so far and few between. Anyway, here’s my ranking: UNBREAKABLE- Great funky beat, but takes way too long to start and it gets v repetitive after the first few minutes (6/10) HEARTBREAKER- I never listen to this song and I was just reminded why. Weird vocals, awkward video game beat. Overall, not great (3/10) INVINCIBLE- also never listen to this track. There’s something so different about his vocals on these first few tracks that really throw me off. It’s like he’s trying too hard or something, straining almost. This track sounds like the first 2 songs. Nothing of great remark (4/10) BREAK OF DAWN- I like this song, V catchy slow jam and it certainly has a great melody, mood and vocals. The theme of it rings false though, the sexuality is too forced and inorganic to me. He has plenty of sexier songs that feel more authentic. (7/10) HEAVEN CAN WAIT- Similar slow jam vibe to ‘break of dawn’. catchy and nice vocals but once again something about the song rings false. I don’t hear HIM (6/10) YOU ROCK MY WORLD- “she IS bangin” we’re back to classic MJ! Phenomenal beat and a super fun, catchy song, great production and background vocals. Best track on the album (9/10) BUTTERFLIES- a lovely sensual slow jam, production and vocals are amazing. One of the best tracks on this album (9/10) SPEECHLESS- now this feels like quintessential sappy saccharine MJ. Pretty, but idk if it’s album worthy tbh. Could’ve been a secret bonus track at the end of the album that you would eventually hear if you didn’t turn it off right away (5/10) 2000 WATTS- I have always secretly liked this song… idk why exactly. It has great energy that makes me groove along. It’s fun even w its uncharacteristically deep vocals and corny theme of sexualizing sound decibels (7/10) YOU ARE MY LIFE- I like the chorus, it’s a pretty tune. His riffing at the end is the best part. However, his vocals sound muddied or something on this track, not as crisp. (6/10) PRIVACY- what’s an MJ album without an anti- tabloid song? I don’t mind this one. It’s guttural and catchy but it’s overproduced and gets v repetitive (7/10) DON’T WALK AWAY- I like this one. It feels heartfelt and authentic for once. Nice melodic chorus w great acoustic guitar throughout. Why does he keep saying “Brangelina” near the end? I guess he was a fan of the couple (this is a joke) (8/10) CRY- this is such a corny song and not in an endearing way. Simple, fine melody but it’s so naïve and silly. “If we all cry at the same time they would be no more wars” oh brother… To be fair, he didn’t write it, but it’s like someone (R Kelly) took the worst aspects of MJ’s humanitarian/sentimental songs and came up w this. Yuck (2/10) THE LOST CHILDREN- um idk what to say about this one except it sounds like a christmas carol. The theme is too on the nose for my taste (3/10) WHATEVER HAPPENS- Cool song, love the western sounding intro. Sexy guitar (“thank YOU Carlos”) and production. Again, his vocals sound off, muddied, straining. (7/10) THREATENED- The chorus is pretty good, definitely catchy, but the beat is awkward, clunky. There is this noise that sounds like someone is moving a heavy bookshelf throughout the verses. He's made much better attempts at his beloved gothic theme than this track. The spoken word outro is awfully prophetic being the last words on his last song on his last album. Spooky (6/10) Considering you prefaced your review with a fairly bleak write-up, you've actually given many of the songs fairly good marks out of ten.
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