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Post by respect77 on Jan 21, 2024 7:55:58 GMT
It is such a beautiful thing to realise that Michael has and always will transcend the narrative the media have created for decades. In the form of feelings the truth leaks through the cracks in the walls they continuously try to build in order to enclose him. Their existential crisis is that no matter what they do, no matter what angle, narrative, agenda, they can’t topple greatness and the ultimate truth. Michael’s legacy will continue to thrive, to live and breathe with or without the media and dark forces who have been relentless in their quest to destroy. They can be as relentless as they like, but Michael is boundless. I just saw a Twitter comment by a USA Today journalist, reacting to the biopic news and complaining how "but ain’t nobody going to tell that story" referring to the allegations. It's really mine boggling to me how the media is able to pull this BS again and again, navel gazing and claiming that somehow the allegations have never been discussed about MJ. Somehow they have been swept under the rug and "no one is telling that story". Here we are, only five years after a heavily and globally promoted, totally one-sided, 4 hours hit piece on HBO and the media acts like the allegations story is something that's never been told about MJ. And they do this with a straight face. The reality is that this is the ONLY story they ever want to be told about him. God forbid his side of the story is ever going to be highlighted or he's ever going to be portrayed from another angle than what they want him to be boxed into! They don't mind it if other pop/rock stars with controversial private lives are not constantly referred to through the lense of those controversies, but somehow you are not allowed to talk about MJ unless you center the allegations and of course their requirement isn't just any kind of centering, you have to portray him as guilty because that's the only angle they will be satisfied with. But on the other hand this means that their cancellation attempts keep failing and that's why they are so pressed. And that's a good thing. The other day a friend and me talked about how it's amazing that MJ's legacy is so resistant to all these very aggressive cancellation attempts. That is a testament to the strength of that legacy.
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Post by pg13 on Jan 21, 2024 9:19:01 GMT
It is such a beautiful thing to realise that Michael has and always will transcend the narrative the media have created for decades. In the form of feelings the truth leaks through the cracks in the walls they continuously try to build in order to enclose him. Their existential crisis is that no matter what they do, no matter what angle, narrative, agenda, they can’t topple greatness and the ultimate truth. Michael’s legacy will continue to thrive, to live and breathe with or without the media and dark forces who have been relentless in their quest to destroy. They can be as relentless as they like, but Michael is boundless. I just saw a Twitter comment by a USA Today journalist, reacting to the biopic news and complaining how "but ain’t nobody going to tell that story" referring to the allegations. It's really mine boggling to me how the media is able to pull this BS again and again, navel gazing and claiming that somehow the allegations have never been discussed about MJ. Somehow they have been swept under the rug and "no one is telling that story". Here we are, only five years after a heavily and globally promoted, totally one-sided, 4 hours hit piece on HBO and the media acts like the allegations story is something that's never been told about MJ. And they do this with a straight face. The reality is that this is the ONLY story they ever want to be told about him. God forbid his side of the story is ever going to be highlighted or he's ever going to be portrayed from another angle than what they want him to be boxed into! They don't mind it if other pop/rock stars with controversial private lives are not constantly referred to through the lense of those controversies, but somehow you are not allowed to talk about MJ unless you center the allegations and of course their requirement isn't just any kind of centering, you have to portray him as guilty because that's the only angle they will be satisfied with. But on the other hand this means that their cancellation attempts keep failing and that's why they are so pressed. And that's a good thing. The other day a friend and me talked about how it's amazing that MJ's legacy is so resistant to all these very aggressive cancellation attempts. That is a testament to the strength of that legacy. And Michael's legacy is strong because of the work he put in all his life. The man proves that talent without hard work is nothing and hard work IS the key. GOAT!
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Post by pg13 on Jan 21, 2024 9:21:23 GMT
It is such a beautiful thing to realise that Michael has and always will transcend the narrative the media have created for decades. In the form of feelings the truth leaks through the cracks in the walls they continuously try to build in order to enclose him. Their existential crisis is that no matter what they do, no matter what angle, narrative, agenda, they can’t topple greatness and the ultimate truth. Michael’s legacy will continue to thrive, to live and breathe with or without the media and dark forces who have been relentless in their quest to destroy. They can be as relentless as they like, but Michael is boundless. "No matter what you do, I'm still gonna be here, Through all your lies and silly games, I'm still remain the same!" "When you bury me underneath all your pain, I'm steady laughing, ha! While surfacing!"
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Jan 25, 2024 18:33:24 GMT
i may not be a fan of this song anymore but i do like the fact they did give the money to Africa it was Harry Belafonte idea. i can't wait for the unseen footage.
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Jan 25, 2024 18:58:27 GMT
Lionel Richie on Reliving Recording ‘We Are the World’ for ‘The Greatest Night in Pop’ Doc: ‘Every Segment of This Journey, I Cry’ Lionel Richie has been very emotional lately, but he wants to reassure everyone that he’s okay. According to Richie, it’s just been a heady experience to look back nearly 40 years and relive all the wondrous and chaotic memories of writing and recording “We Are the World” for the new Netflix documentary “The Greatest Night in Pop.” “Every segment of this journey, I cry,” Richie said at the Variety Studio presented by Audible at Sundance Film Festival, where the film made its world premiere. “It just brings tears to my eyes because some of us are not here anymore. Also it was our innocence. We actually were making a difference, so to see the naive version of ourselves, when we actually had an aha moment that we might take all this celebrity and change the world … I’m just emotional about it because I get to watch my kid being born again.” It’s especially bittersweet because “Michael’s not here,” Richie added, referring to “We Are the World” co-writer Michael Jackson, who died in 2009. “There should be another guy sitting here going, ‘Lionel, what do you think we’re going to do?'” he said, affecting Jackson’s high-pitched frequency. “I need him here to tell you the funny parts about it because in all of this, we were just two creatives having the best time of our lives pulling from the universe.” Those intimate memories were precisely what director Bao Nguyen and producer Julia Nottingham aimed to capture in the documentary, which chronicles the incredible story of how the track got made. On Jan. 25, 1985, 46 music icons — led by Richie, Jackson and Quincy Jones — came together for a marathon eight-hour recording session of “We Are the World” after the American Music Awards. The monumental collaboration was documented for the recording of the music video, but the new documentary includes massive amounts of new material, including retrospective interviews with Richie, Cyndi Lauper, Huey Lewis, Kenny Loggins, Sheila E., Smokey Robinson, Bruce Springsteen and Dionne Warwick, as well as never-before-heard recordings of Richie and Jackson writing the iconic song. “The thing that unlocked the documentary was the footage from USA for Africa. They were amazing and had kept all the archive,” Nottingham explained. “Part two, there was a journalist [David Breskin], and he was smart enough to turn his dictaphone on day one. And he didn’t turn it off until they had finished the song.” What moved Nguyen most in those recordings were moments of vulnerability from the artists, which helped shape the film’s narrative. “Michael and Lionel writing and just knowing the pressure — that Quincy is knocking on doors, like ‘Where’s the lyrics?’ We all have experienced that … We all can relate to when someone is just pushing a deadline,” Nguyen said. “Then, when we get into the recording studio, there’s so many moments where these icons of American music and pop culture — who are legends, who have sang the most iconic and famous songs — they are scared out of [their] mind for that one night.” The magic is what happened next: these singular talents, from across all genres of music, morphed into a family. “Everyone’s helping each other. Everyone’s picking each other up,” Nguyen said. “That was a really beautiful moment that I don’t think people realize when they hear the song. I mean, the song is so beautiful and such like a collective call to unity, but that night was too.” Looking back on the footage helped Richie remember the uniqueness of the experience. “You actually saw the chaos,” he said. “I forgot about that. It’s like anything else — when you finish a house, you don’t remember that there was a delay on the steps, a delay on the appliances … It was chaos, but it was a beautiful nest of chaos.” variety.com/2024/music/news/lionel-richie-we-are-the-world-sundance-the-greatest-night-in-pop-documentary-1235879826/
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Jan 29, 2024 15:58:00 GMT
Just watching it now. Lionel putting on that stupid voice when talking about mj is annoying. Mj in the studio rehearsing when the others are at the AMA’s is just WOW. So pure and clear incredible talk about hairs on the back on your neck! I guess thats why prince won at the show!!
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Post by respect77 on Jan 29, 2024 16:36:55 GMT
I think it's a nicely done documentary, I loved it. It's nothing new for those who have the DVD, but it's very enjoyable.
I felt they talked a bit much about why Prince didn't come. I mean I think since he didn't, he would have deserved exactly the attention as what Madonna got, ie. a fleeting mention. I know sometimes Prince fans pretend it's cool he didn't participate because the song is somehow beneath him or whatever reason they like to tell themselves, but I feel he actually was intimidated. Sheila E. alluded to that as well. I think for all his talent Prince was a very insecure man. BTW, interesting that Huey Lewis's part would have been his. So he would have come right after MJ...
In contrast, I liked how the artists who did come were really leaving their egos out at the door and were really humble about it. Bob Dylan was very uncomfortable because he knew he wasn't in the same league vocally as all those other artists, but he was still there and still humbly worked it out with Stevie and contributed his part. Much respect to him for that.
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Post by respect77 on Jan 29, 2024 16:53:18 GMT
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Jan 29, 2024 17:09:40 GMT
Watched it all. Michael aside that was really fascinating. Not knowing the history of how it was created and organsised ala the AMA’s and all the great behind the scenes footage of all these huge stars made it a really interesting watch, dont watch much footage of mike as even after all these years i get tearful. This was no different. Just makes you miss him so much and his pure voice. And the list at the end of all the people who arent here anymore still feels like a kick in the you know whats 😢
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Post by respect77 on Jan 29, 2024 17:10:01 GMT
LOL, yeah.
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Post by elusivemoonwalker on Jan 29, 2024 17:32:44 GMT
Did that bird just say what i thought it said🤔😱😂
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Post by LindavG on Jan 29, 2024 20:41:07 GMT
Lmao and the snake too. I can just picture it. I just watched the documentary. I didn't know that much about the background of WATW and I thought it was interesting. So nice to see Michael in his element. It's obvious Lionel cares for him very much. On a side note, I just checked what the fans on MJJC were saying about this because I was curious. When did that place become so miserable and jaded? I wish it wasn't the main fan forum because if I was a new fan, that constant negativity would quickly turn me off. But I digress...
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Post by butterflies2 on Jan 29, 2024 20:54:08 GMT
Mjcommunity was formerly mjjforum 20 years ago, and they always acted like the fandom was a cult and like mj is god
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Post by SoCav on Jan 29, 2024 22:58:09 GMT
Just finished watching it and thought it was really good. Sure, not a lot of new footage if you have seen the anniversary DVD set, and there are of course only so many stories that can be told about that session. But I thought it was really well put-together and it contained more tidbits that were new to me (or that I had forgotten) than I'd expected.
The chronological format (literally showing the clock several times) worked well to create some tension and to transport you back to the moment, for example when they shifted between the American Music Awards footage and the studio where MJ was already recording at the same time - really cool. I enjoyed some of the interviewed artists describing their first reactions to hearing the demo in the days leading up to the recording session. They also highlighted the interesting group dynamics that emerged there nicely. And after 39 years I finally got an explanation for Al Jarreau's totally absurd vocal takes - dude was as wasted as he sounded!
Michael was featured nicely too. His contributions were appropriately acknowledged (I liked that Smokey explicitly referred to him as one of the greatest songwriters ever), and came across as the dedicated pro and caring person he was. And was it just me, or did they show more footage of MJ just interacting with the other artists than we have seen in the past (e.g. when talking to Cyndi Lauper about what turned out to be her noisy jewelry). I remembered him as coming across a bit more shy and aloof in the footage I had seen before.
Regarding Prince, I thought it made sense they addressed it, as it became a big thing at the time, and it made sense to feature it with Sheila being interviewed. Never really understood why it was considered such a big deal that he did not join in. He was a private guy, donated a song to the soundtrack, and always did a ton for charity (not for the cameras).
Anyway, a really enjoyable and well-made documentary, imo.
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Post by amaya on Jan 29, 2024 23:53:43 GMT
Lmao and the snake too. I can just picture it. I just watched the documentary. I didn't know that much about the background of WATW and I thought it was interesting. So nice to see Michael in his element. It's obvious Lionel cares for him very much. On a side note, I just checked what the fans on MJJC were saying about this because I was curious. When did that place become so miserable and jaded? I wish it wasn't the main fan forum because if I was a new fan, that constant negativity would quickly turn me off. But I digress... Given everything that's happened over the last couple years (hell, decades, even), it's pretty damn hard to keep positive. I'm seeing some positivity over there for it so I don't think it's entirely bad. Glad to hear this documentary turned out alright. I'll probably watch it over the weekend when I'll have more time.
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