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Post by jaywonder on Oct 31, 2017 19:19:55 GMT
There's been rumors about Kevin Spacey's interest in young guys and aggressiveness for some time. A lot of comments I read have been "Oh...guess it's officially out there now" There's been rumours about Michael Jackson and multiple accusers for over 20 years..... I'm not talking about tabloid stories...
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Post by Russg on Nov 1, 2017 6:08:50 GMT
There's a second accuser...
A second Hollywood figure has come forward Tuesday with sexual assault allegations against actor Kevin Spacey.
Tony Montana, a documentary filmmaker, says that the House of Cards star groped him in the Coronet Pub in Los Angeles in 2003.
He says he was in the bar working when Spacey showed up with a number of his friends.
'I went up to order a drink and Kevin came up to me and put his arm around me,' Montana tells Radar.
'He was telling me to come with him, to leave the bar. He put his hand on my crotch forcefully and grabbed my whole package.'
Montana alleges that a drunk Spacey told him: 'This designates ownership.'
'I put my hand down and turned his thumb back to get his hand off it,' Montana said.
'I paid for my drink and got away from him.'
But Montana says that the actor then followed him to the bathroom.
'I backed him out the door and I pushed him,' he says.
'One of his friends was in line and I said, "Itβs time to take your boy home".
'They all ended up leaving.'
Montana, who was in his thirties at the time of the incident, says the encounter was the last time he saw Spacey.
'I never talked to anyone about it except for therapists,' he tells Radar.
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Post by MattyJam on Nov 1, 2017 6:16:46 GMT
^^^ He had PTSD for six months and had to see a therapist because of an unwanted sexual advance? That's ridiculous.
My wife worked with a colleague who was a sleaze who used to get a bit handsy with her. She reported him to management and he got fired when it transpired he had done the same to others as well. This was about five years ago and I don't believe my wife has spoken about it since.
An unwanted sexual advance is gross and not pleasant to experience but it is not the same thing as sexual assault.
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Post by respect77 on Nov 1, 2017 6:50:30 GMT
^^^ He had PTSD for six months and had to see a therapist because of an unwanted sexual advance? That's ridiculous. I have to agree with this. Also the fact that he goes to RadarOnline with this story. This online National Enquirer. I thought Rapp sounded credible. This one may be a bandwagon-jumper, I don't know.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 7:17:53 GMT
^^^ He had PTSD for six months and had to see a therapist because of an unwanted sexual advance? That's ridiculous. My wife worked with a colleague who was a sleaze who used to get a bit handsy with her. She reported him to management and he got fired when it transpired he had done the same to others as well. This was about five years ago and I don't believe my wife has spoken about it since. An unwanted sexual advance is gross and not pleasant to experience but it is not the same thing as sexual assault. This is exactly what i think. The reaction to some of these stories seems to compare an inappropriate touch/grope with actual rape. I cant help but feel there are rape victims out there at the minute feeling slightly disenchanted by whats going on. All these mass revelations at the same time seem to be diluting what a sexual assault victim goes through. Im calling out Patricia Arquettes tweets where she said Oliver Stone sent her flowers when she was going for a part and then gave out to her for bringing her bf to a party Oliver was holding, and we're supposed to crucify him for that? Shag off with that and lets focus on actual rapists and dangers to society.
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Post by respect77 on Nov 1, 2017 7:24:58 GMT
Im calling out Patricia Arquettes tweets where she said Oliver Stone sent her flowers when she was going for a part and then gave out to her for bringing her bf to a party Oliver was holding, and we're supposed to crucify him for that? Shag off with that and lets focus on actual rapists and dangers to society. Well, that is very different though than grabbing someone's genitalia unwanted (IF the story is true, which I am not sure of - just for argument's sake) or lying on top of a 14yo boy in bed. Yes, it is not rape, but also not the same level as what Arquettes says.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 7:27:13 GMT
Im calling out Patricia Arquettes tweets where she said Oliver Stone sent her flowers when she was going for a part and then gave out to her for bringing her bf to a party Oliver was holding, and we're supposed to crucify him for that? Shag off with that and lets focus on actual rapists and dangers to society. Well, that is very different though than grabbing someone's genitalia unwanted (IF the story is true, which I am not sure of - just for argument's sake) or lying on top of a 14yo boy in bed. Yes, it is not rape, but also not the same level as what Arquettes says. Completely, I was more referring to some of the allegations some women have come out with more than anything along the lines of what Arquette said. What it also did was highlight how many morons use Twitter.
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Post by SoCav on Nov 1, 2017 9:30:52 GMT
^^^ He had PTSD for six months and had to see a therapist because of an unwanted sexual advance? That's ridiculous. Unless there's of course something in his personal history that explains why it affected him greatly. We can't discount that possibility. I agree though that it seems exaggerated. The fact that he went to a tabloid with this makes this very suspect. And I do think circumstances matter as well. The guy was in his mid-30s when it happened and it took place in a public setting. He also didn't seem to have a problem calling on others ("it's time to take your boy home") to help out. None of that excuses grabbing someone's crotch, but it does influence my perception of the situation. Some people may see this as victim blaming but it's not. I don't blame the guy in any way for what he alleges Spacey did, if it happened. But to me these are legitimate things to consider when interpreting such claims.
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Post by respect77 on Nov 1, 2017 11:03:02 GMT
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Post by HIStoric on Nov 2, 2017 6:35:34 GMT
For hypothetical sake, let's pretend that Kevin Spacey never replied the way he did on Twitter, but instead straight up denied the allegations, played disgust and then actually sued Rapp for slander.
Theoretically, if you ignore how he feels about morality, wouldn't that have been an option for Spacey? Because then the pressure would be on Rapp to provide evidence to back up these accusations, which are slanderous if false, but he most likely doesn't have anything. What do you think would happen then?
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Post by TonyR on Nov 2, 2017 7:11:33 GMT
For hypothetical sake, let's pretend that Kevin Spacey never replied the way he did on Twitter, but instead straight up denied the allegations, played disgust and then actually sued Rapp for slander. Theoretically, if you ignore how he feels about morality, wouldn't that have been an option for Spacey? Because then the pressure would be on Rapp to provide evidence to back up these accusations, which are slanderous if false, but he most likely doesn't have anything. What do you think would happen then? Yeah he should have done.
At the time I at least applauded him for being honest (presumably) as when people outright deny an accusation from 30 years ago I'm a bit skeptical.
Does someone really remember that far back that they came on too strong to someone at a party?
But yes, in retrospect, a denial and not to mention being gay would obviously have been better for him. But I think he looks like he knew more accusations were coming so this was the best way. I don't know.
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Post by respect77 on Nov 2, 2017 7:19:23 GMT
Denying it obviously doesn't mean the person is innocent, however a hesitation in denying something or a wishy-washy response like this does raise the red flag to me and it tends to give credence to the allegations in my eyes right in Round One. I'm sorry but if something is not in me, something is so out of character to me, then my response wouldn't be that I might have done it while drunk. To me that's not a genuine answer but one that raises a red flag.
And the coming out only made it worse because it sounded like derailment.
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Post by HIStoric on Nov 2, 2017 8:30:32 GMT
Denying it obviously doesn't mean the person is innocent, however a hesitation in denying something or a wishy-washy response like this does raise the red flag to me and it tends to give credence to the allegations in my eyes right in Round One. I'm sorry but if something is not in me, something is so out of character to me, then my response wouldn't be that I might have done it while drunk. To me that's not a genuine answer but one that raises a red flag. And the coming out only made it worse because it sounded like derailment. Hmm well it was Rapp who said in his original accusation that Spacey was drunk, which would be why Spacey brings it up in his Twitter response. As for the derailment, I saw some people talking about it online, that he came out in his statement because until then he wasn't officially out, and had publicly been seen with women. They speculate if he hadn't come out at the same time, tabloids would be digging into "IS KEVIN SPACEY GAY OR NOT?" and then "former lovers" would be coming out of the woodworks, selling stories to them about his past encounters with the man be it true or not (for the record, I've heard many many stories about gay encounters he's had - although the ones I've heard of have been with people of age). I can see tabloids doing that if that's what happened, but it still really does sound like derailment too - which was my initial thought. Makes me wonder if that happened with Michael Jackson, tabloid articles wondering if he was homosexual.
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Post by respect77 on Nov 2, 2017 9:42:22 GMT
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Post by Snow White on Nov 2, 2017 22:39:46 GMT
It seems Kevin Spacey's activities were an open secret too.
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