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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Jul 2, 2021 16:20:14 GMT
"Bad" surpassed 1.5 BILLION streams on Spotify, being the second King of Pop record to achieve such a feat.
Released on August 31, 1987, "Bad" was written and recorded for more than three and a half years—as well as being the final collaboration between him and Quincy Jones. The album received six Grammy nominations — it won "Best Music Video" and "Best Engineered Recording — Non Classical".
It made rolling stone's list of the 500 greatest albums and is the fifth best-selling album of all time —with nearly 45 million copies worldwide. In 2017, it was certified with diamond plate for sales over 10 million in the United States.
Nine songs were released as singles; five reached number one on the Billboard Hot 100 —a record that was only matched more than 20 years later by Katy Perry's "Teenage Dream" (2010).
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Post by respect77 on Jul 4, 2021 3:29:57 GMT
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Post by respect77 on Jul 6, 2021 16:37:03 GMT
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Post by NatureCriminal7896 on Jul 9, 2021 5:47:36 GMT
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Post by mjjfan810 on Jul 11, 2021 13:17:47 GMT
Stumbled upon this list of best selling albums of 1992 in the UK. Dangerous #5. Just imagine if it had been released in the Jan of 92 rather than the Nov of 91, it undoubtedly would've been number 1 on this list:  |
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Post by ghost on Jul 11, 2021 15:01:54 GMT
Stumbled upon this list of best selling albums of 1992 in the UK. Dangerous #5. Just imagine if it had been released in the Jan of 92 rather than the Nov of 91, it undoubtedly would've been number 1 on this list: Look at Nevermind by Nirvana all the way down at #20. Critics love to write off MJs 90s work, often citing the fact that Nevermind took Dangerous off the topspot as a sign that MJs popularity was waning and his brand of pop was now passe. Firstly, Dangerous wasn't going to be number one forever, so Nirvana taking the topspot after Dangerous had already been number one is kind of meaningless. Secondly, a look at these year end charts and it shows that MJ was still outselling Madonna, Nirvana, Queen, Prince, Guns N Roses and likely would've outsold the top 4 if you could count sales from Dec 91 as well. |
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Post by HIStoric on Jul 11, 2021 15:44:57 GMT
Look at Nevermind by Nirvana all the way down at #20. Critics love to write off MJs 90s work, often citing the fact that Nevermind took Dangerous off the topspot as a sign that MJs popularity was waning and his brand of pop was now passe. Firstly, Dangerous wasn't going to be number one forever, so Nirvana taking the topspot after Dangerous had already been number one is kind of meaningless. Secondly, a look at these year end charts and it shows that MJ was still outselling Madonna, Nirvana, Queen, Prince, Guns N Roses and likely would've outsold the top 4 if you could count sales from Dec 91 as well. Well, yeah…? Nevermind was only on sale for two months longer than Dangerous, and upon its release, Nirvana was nowhere near as famous as Michael Jackson which made their (short lived) dethroning of MJ notable. Regardless of what some critics say to try and demean Michael’s influence, it’s also really not impressive that Michael Jackson - this absolute Goliath of a superstar - outsold this much lesser known band so quickly. He should be doing that! Besides, Nevermind had barely cracked the Top 40 by the time Dangerous came out and would only reach the top spot a few months later in January 1992. If you look at the end charts for 1992, Dangerous is at #2 while Nevermind is right behind at #3. That is impressive for a band that no one knew of the year before. Those other artists are fair game IMO because they were all well established before 1991. |
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Post by ghost on Jul 11, 2021 15:47:55 GMT
Look at Nevermind by Nirvana all the way down at #20. Critics love to write off MJs 90s work, often citing the fact that Nevermind took Dangerous off the topspot as a sign that MJs popularity was waning and his brand of pop was now passe. Firstly, Dangerous wasn't going to be number one forever, so Nirvana taking the topspot after Dangerous had already been number one is kind of meaningless. Secondly, a look at these year end charts and it shows that MJ was still outselling Madonna, Nirvana, Queen, Prince, Guns N Roses and likely would've outsold the top 4 if you could count sales from Dec 91 as well. Well, yeah…? Nevermind was only on sale for two months longer than Dangerous, and upon its release, Nirvana was nowhere near as famous as Michael Jackson which made their (short lived) dethroning of MJ notable. Regardless of what some critics say to try and demean Michael’s influence, it’s also really not impressive that Michael Jackson - this absolute Goliath of a superstar - outsold this much lesser known band so quickly. He should be doing that! Besides, Nevermind had barely cracked the Top 40 by the time Dangerous came out and would only reach the top spot a few months later in January 1992. If you look at the end charts for 1992, Dangerous is at #2 while Nevermind is right behind at #3. That is impressive for a band that no one knew of the year before. Those are other artists are fair game IMO because they were all well established before 1991. These are the year end charts and Nirvana were at #20? |
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Post by HIStoric on Jul 11, 2021 15:51:47 GMT
These are the year end charts and Nirvana were at #20? Ahh. You’re going off the UK, I’m going off the USA. I thought we were discussing the US since the ordeal about them topping Dangerous was on the US charts. |
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Post by ghost on Jul 11, 2021 15:54:26 GMT
These are the year end charts and Nirvana were at #20? Ahh. You’re going off the UK, I’m going off the USA. I thought we were discussing the US since the ordeal about them topping Dangerous was on the US charts. Oh I see. Well, the point remains that the critics assessment of MJ's popularity waning in 91/92 was completely unfounded. |
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Post by HIStoric on Jul 11, 2021 16:01:35 GMT
Ahh. You’re going off the UK, I’m going off the USA. I thought we were discussing the US since the ordeal about them topping Dangerous was on the US charts. Oh I see. Well, the point remains that the critics assessment of MJ's popularity waning in 91/92 was completely unfounded. Oh yes, I agree on that completely  (and I still stand by what I said for Nirvana. What they accomplished especially on the US Charts in 1992 is pretty impressive IMO and their success doesn’t lessen MJs impact). |
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Post by Snow White on Jul 11, 2021 17:20:53 GMT
Grunch was more a flavor of the year or 2 years as much thing , TBH. It died with Kurt Cobain. I may sound cruel but I don't think Nirvana would have achieved that mythical status if Cobain hadn't killed himself the way he did.
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Post by respect77 on Jul 12, 2021 9:35:32 GMT
The whole Nirvana thing was a media narrative designed to signal how "authentic rock music" ended the era of "superficial and pompous pop music" (and who better symbolize that in their eyes than the King of Pop?). I think they were trying to create a symbolism out of that. Which is pretty ridiculous when you know that Nevermind then has been knocked off the #1 spot by Garth Brooks. So what did THAT symbolize then? LOL. It was just stupid media narrative once again IMO. BTW, grunge proved to be a flash in the pan, while pop is still here.
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Post by HIStoric on Jul 12, 2021 10:06:35 GMT
Grunch was more a flavor of the year or 2 years as much thing , TBH. It died with Kurt Cobain. While indeed grunge only lasted a handful of years in the mainstream spotlight, so too did New Jack Swing for that matter.
And even if grunge was only a 'flash in the pan', the music of Nirvana/Nevermind has clearly still stood the test of time - as evidential by their impressive playcounts on Spotify or YouTube. |
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Post by respect77 on Jul 12, 2021 14:21:45 GMT
Grunch was more a flavor of the year or 2 years as much thing , TBH. It died with Kurt Cobain. While indeed grunge only lasted a handful of years in the mainstream spotlight, so too did New Jack Swing for that matter.
But MJ isn't just NJS. Not even Dangerous is just NJS. MJ overall is pop, who incorporated elements of other genres that were fashionable at a time but his music usually stayed more relevant over time than those genres. Disco, for example, was also a "flash in the pan" - and is an often looked-down upon genre, yet, OTW is usually very highly rated even by those who otherwise aren't disco fans. The point is, I don't really consider Dangerous a NJS album - it is a pop album with NJS elements. Just like I think OTW is much more than just a disco album.
It's true though that Nevermind is also bigger than the genre it is attached to. It is a cultural staple especially for people who were teenagers at the time.
Anyway, I don't speak for Snow White, but when I said grunge was a "flash in the pan" I meant the fact how the rock press tends to think of rock music as more authentic and less a subject of fickle fashions when the reality is that - as grunge shows - rock genres don't necessarily have more longevity than pop genres. They can be subjects of fashion just as much as pop. This doesn't take away from the fact that Nevermind is a relevant album even today, just like OTW is a very relevant album and a cultural staple even today despite of the disco era ending in around 1980.
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