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Post by HIStoric on May 28, 2020 15:19:14 GMT
Thank you  That amazes me, so basically if 10 people purchase TDCAU that counts as one album sale. Or if that one song gets streamed 1,500 times. Even if no other track from the album gets played. I mean I love all the new technology, but that's sad in my eyes. Call me old fashioned but it's not the same as someone deciding they want to listen to everything that artist has just put their heart & soul in and making the hard decision to part with their cash & buy & listen to the full release. No worries, mate. It doesn’t really bother me personally. Likely because for me, it’s more about establishing how popular music is over sales. Back in the day, you had to buy the album or single to play it so it was a solid and straight forward measure of a songs popularity back then (if you ignored recording songs off the radio onto cassette lol). Now we have streaming to do that... and I guess they want to find a way to equate them in an age where album sales are no longer the leading form of consumption. I think the streaming equivalents are reasonably fair. The sales are a bit weirder, but I suppose 10 singles on iTunes is roughly the price of an album so maybe that’s where their thinking is. Least on their website, Billboard split it up in articles when describing what singles and albums sold what. They’ll explain it sold x pure units and y equivalent units. |
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Post by TonyR on May 28, 2020 15:26:39 GMT
Thank you That amazes me, so basically if 10 people purchase TDCAU that counts as one album sale. Or if that one song gets streamed 1,500 times. Even if no other track from the album gets played. I mean I love all the new technology, but that's sad in my eyes. Call me old fashioned but it's not the same as someone deciding they want to listen to everything that artist has just put their heart & soul in and making the hard decision to part with their cash & buy & listen to the full release. No worries, mate. It doesn’t really bother me personally. Likely because for me, it’s more about establishing how popular music is over sales. Back in the day, you had to buy the album or single to play it so it was a solid and straight forward measure of a songs popularity back then (if you ignored recording songs off the radio onto cassette lol). Now we have streaming to do that... and I guess they want to find a way to equate them in an age where album sales are no longer the leading form of consumption. I think the streaming equivalents are reasonably fair. The sales are a bit weirder, but I suppose 10 singles on iTunes is roughly the price of an album so maybe that’s where their thinking is. Least on their website, Billboard split it up in articles when describing what singles and albums sold what. They’ll explain it sold x pure units and y equivalent units. Yeah I agree it's probably the best way they could do it, and things couldn't stay the same way. But it's when we start comparing with the past to say for example Bieber's album or single has sold X compared to something from 80s or 90s. I mean it was based on amount of plays alone and you think how much the world played the shit out of Thriller, Bad & Dangerous back in the day! Not just cherry picking the big hits but every song.... |
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Post by HIStoric on May 28, 2020 15:49:26 GMT
Yeah I agree it's probably the best way they could do it, and things couldn't stay the same way. But it's when we start comparing with the past to say for example Bieber's album or single has sold X compared to something from 80s or 90s. Yeah it can get a bit tricky at that point for sure. It’s hard to tell because albums that I would’ve bought 10-20 years ago, I don’t buy now simply because I have Spotify Premium, and obviously millions of people are in the same situation as me so it makes comparisons with the past a lot harder. I mean it was based on amount of plays alone and you think how much the world played the shit out of Thriller, Bad & Dangerous back in the day! Not just cherry picking the big hits but every song.... Oh for sure. I was also thinking about how it would reveal what songs people genuinely liked on an album too. Like you can buy a random album, and that sale counts towards the whole album no matter how good or bad it is. Let’s say the lead single or two is amazing but the rest is mostly filler crap, much to the listeners dismay. Well back then it still got your sale, and it sold 10 million other copies so the whole album looks good across the board. But nowadays you can just... not play the song again. And therefore you can look at streams over the course of an album and see what songs on an album truly ‘meshed’ with its listeners. Not a perfect theory - a big single like WBSS will always topple lesser known non-single like Lady In My Life, but I think there’s some interesting merit to it from a consumption standpoint at least. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2020 18:23:29 GMT
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Post by respect77 on Jun 7, 2020 15:36:02 GMT
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Post by respect77 on Jun 19, 2020 14:20:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 15:14:59 GMT
As cool as that is... does anyone here actually buy music videos?! I didnt realise that was still a thing! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 15:16:40 GMT
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Post by TonyR on Jun 19, 2020 15:34:51 GMT
As cool as that is... does anyone here actually buy music videos?! I didnt realise that was still a thing! I thought that!! Plus I thought iTunes had gone. |
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Post by HIStoric on Jun 19, 2020 20:09:31 GMT
As cool as that is... does anyone here actually buy music videos?! I didnt realise that was still a thing! I thought that!! Plus I thought iTunes had gone. iTunes is still around, Apple just pushes Apple Music more when it comes to the music side of things. Like you go on the iTunes Store homepage and there’s heavy prominent advertising for it. And the music video iTunes chart section is a weird thing. I’ve casually noticed over the years that at least in my country, there is a heavy bias towards later 2000s, early 2010 videos. Plus they’re all in standard definition. I imagine these charts must be so easily influenced because the actual sales numbers would be so low in comparison?? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2020 9:38:43 GMT
As cool as that is... does anyone here actually buy music videos?! I didnt realise that was still a thing! I thought that!! Plus I thought iTunes had gone. Occasionally I will find an album is only available to buy on iTunes. It's my last resort as its only 256kbps but yeah, iTunes is still going for now. |
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Post by respect77 on Jul 5, 2020 18:21:47 GMT
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Post by respect77 on Jul 8, 2020 16:55:49 GMT
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Post by mjjfan810 on Jul 13, 2020 13:07:19 GMT
Xscape having a higher stream count than HIStory and MICHAEL having a higher play count than Invincible is just plain wrong. |
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Post by respect77 on Jul 13, 2020 14:16:33 GMT
Xscape having a higher stream count than HIStory and MICHAEL having a higher play count than Invincible is just plain wrong. That's because new releases have an advantage on streaming services. They get a lot of streams when they are released. I'm pretty sure if we only looked at last year or last two years HIStory would have more. |
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