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Post by MattyJam on Jan 29, 2018 12:35:44 GMT
Rob Halford is a fucking legend. And the whole metal community embraced him when he came out, which must've been heartening for him after so many years in the closet.
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Post by respect77 on Jan 29, 2018 16:45:34 GMT
The fact you can only choose bi curious and dabblers like Gaga and Mercury shows there is borderline homophobia in your choices. I am militantly gay - not borderline lets assuage the straights with our choices. Anyway Gaga is a lightweight, not much more than a pop squeaker and far too modern for icon status, also she has been invisible since Born this way flopped. Same with Mercury loved the music, but the fact he hushed hushed about his AIDS and the way he treated his gay friends after his death (His so called girlfriend - Mary Austin, kicked all of his gay friends and staff including long term partner Jim Hutton out on the street). Freddie was great, but he was hardly a hero for the gay communities. He even kept silent about his Indian ancestry - trying to pass for white, none of his fans thought he was anything but snow white until his death, trying to be a straight white man, rather than a gay Indian called Farookh Bulsara. If anything he would be near the bottom of my list. He also had a lot or irresponsible sex, never acknowledging his sickness until 1 day before he died, it was sad and we never had time to mourn him. I am sorry but just because you are gay you are not the moral police on how to be properly gay and who can and who cannot be accepted in the gay community. Freddie Mercury was more than just bi-curious (someone like David Bowie I would call just bi-curious, but not Freddie who probably had a lot more male partners in his life than female). And a "dabbler"? What does that even mean in this context? Not properly gay? LOL. And if having a lot of irresponsible sex is a criteria to exclude him now then I don't understand what George Michael is doing on your list who was dragged out of the closet when he was caught soliciting a stranger for sex in a public bathroom. George Michael also had female partners, so he too wasn't 100% gay, if that's your criteria. Talk about double standards. Also, like others pointed out, it was a lot more difficult in the 1980s to be be out of the closet than it is now. So let's not judge Freddie by today's standards. Freddie did not owe the public an explanation about his private life, including his sexuality and illness. He was a private man and he had every right to be. I don't know why people feel entitled to the details of celebrities' private lives.
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Post by Snow White on Jan 29, 2018 20:06:37 GMT
How cruel and stupid it is denying someone's sexuality and exclude him/her just because some believe bisexuality doesn't exist. Bisexuals aren't heterosexuals or gays who want to experiment.
I read from George Michael he had female partners because he didn't want to accept he was gay disappointing his mother in the process but he felt guilty he was just using them. He didn't fall in love with his girlfriends/lovers unlike Freddie did with Mary Austin.
And why excluding people if they didn't adhere themselves to LGBT causes or not singing about it? If people identify in the LGBT+ spectrum, I respect it and are worthy of my admiration even if they're not activists. Rob Halford remained many years in the closet but he represented the gay scene club in the 80s with his image even though the majority of us didn't know it was part of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 20:09:04 GMT
Actually you are wrong, there is no evidence that GM had sex with women at all, the girls were all for show and the girls in Wham videos were models or for Andrew, the Chinese girl GM was dating was also paid to pose as his girlfriend. A book I read about him said that on the Faith tour, George went into one room and the woman into another, meanwhile a young man would come up and joinGM and another man would join the girl.
Also in 1990/91 GM met and fell in love with Anselmo Felippa (1954 - 1993) and when Felippa died of AIDS related illnesses in 1993 GM wrote the songs You have been loved and Jesus to a child about him and he thought he had come out with those songs, but yes it took until the bog incident in early 1998 for the world to know he was gay.
I am sorry I offended some people, but I just don't feel Judas Priest could be called gay music and I have a strong bias against any form of metal, even some of the poodle hair metal of the 1987 era.
As much as I love Bowie, I would never have considered him gay, in fact quite the opposite he chose to be gay around 1971 to further his career, but he was married and screwing girls all the time, he may have done a bit of bi curiousity and liked dressing up in drag, but assuming that someone is gay because of drag is a cruel and ridiculous stereotype, many straight people dress up in drag and very few gay men would identify as drag artistes or transvestites - if anything being gay is about being a MAN who likes other MEN. Also in 1983 with the Lets Dance album, Bowie announced how ultra straight he was and how he had always been straight. If anything I know many gay people who hate his guts because of that and it is mainly quirky straight people who like him more than gays do.
I am getting annoyed as there has been few serious choices, Freddie Mercury and the guy from Judas Priest along with Gaga - all bi at best and how open minded of all of you and of course the shit stirring troika of TonyR and Respect have to jump in, one week after I took them off block. Homophobic and ignorant, should NEVER have started this thread. Thought being fans of an artist considered by many to be a homosexual that I would get some more interesting and diverse answers. Of course I know MJ was all man and apparently 100% hetty so don't get angry and twisted but the rumour he was gay, peddy or asexual has never gone away.
Also I blame it on Americaness - gay and gay themed acts always did better in the UK and Europe, but in Churchified USA they fell flat. Look at 2000s American group Scissor sisters with 2 gay guys, 1 straight guy and a Trans individual, 2 #1 hits in the UK and successful albums, in their homeland they barely troubled the charts reaching the bottom of the Hot 100. Look at Abba, straight but many gay fans - 11 or 12 #1's in UK and Australia, barely troubled the charts in the USA, 2 Top 40 hits. Queen hit it big with the Disco sounding Another one bites the dust and Crazy little thing, however in 1984 Freddie in drag was too much for Christian and Reaganite audiences and Queen's appeal went south until after Mercury's death and Waynes World revived Bohemian Rhapsody. Yet in the UK Queen kept hitting the Top 30 through the 80s and into the 90s.
And then there is Elton John, he got over in the USA before his homeland in mid 1970, between then and mid 1976 every Elton John single and album was a huge success reaching the Top 20 and several number 1 smashes. However in October 1976 in a Rolling Stone Interview he announced he was bisexual (He was infact Gay and had been since the 60s) and sales of Elton John material died off (Although the noticeable drop in the quality of his music after 1976 and up to 1982 may also be to blame). The next time he hit in the USA was Little Jeannie in 1980 which was a Top 10 and the song was about a girl. There was a brief resurgence in 1983/84 with a catchy series of songs and his marriage to Renate (Complete PR stunt and he never sexed her, the marriage ended 3 years later). Elton had the occasional hit, but not until the Diana era did he reach his 70s success again.
Also disco was popular until some local American bigots (An obese DJ called Steve Dahl) decided they hated disco and race hate groups joined in saying it was the music of blacks and fags and good old Americans should be listening to rock and roll and country - not faggy, n***** dance music. Disco all but disappeared in late 1979 and until Thriller in 1983 (It did not really have hit impact until early 1983) the charts wree dominated with country and MOR and artists like whitebread Chris Cross, Juice Newton, The Oak Ridge boys and Alabama, music that appealed to homophobc rednecks and bigots. The first two years of MTV saw no Black, dance or synth pop played.
So yeah its pretty rich that I have American telling me about how they are so open minded towards gays, I mean do you think Disco demolition night would have happened in the mainstream UK (Of course the National Front and a few skinheads may have, but thats it), my country New Zealand leads the world in rights for gays and other minorities and I guess the rest has to do catch up.
Does anyone here even know who Sylvester was or even the village people (At elast 5 of them were gay - Victor Willis the first cop wasn't and was shocked when he realised the others were).
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Post by Snow White on Jan 29, 2018 20:18:58 GMT
Who else is saying Judas Priest is gay music? You started the thread asking who were our favorite LGBT artists and we answered. Whether you agree or not, Freddie, Gaga and Rob are part of the community even if Freddie's or Rob's music hasn't been aimed directly to the LGBT public.
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Post by MattyJam on Jan 29, 2018 20:21:27 GMT
Actually you are wrong, there is no evidence that GM had sex with women at all, the girls were all for show and the girls in Wham videos were models or for Andrew, the Chinese girl GM was dating was also paid to pose as his girlfriend. A book I read about him said that on the Faith tour, George went into one room and the woman into another, meanwhile a young man would come up and joinGM and another man would join the girl. Also in 1990/91 GM met and fell in love with Anselmo Felippa (1954 - 1993) and when Felippa died of AIDS related illnesses in 1993 GM wrote the songs You have been loved and Jesus to a child about him and he thought he had come out with those songs, but yes it took until the bog incident in early 1998 for the world to know he was gay. I am sorry I offended some people, but I just don't feel Judas Priest could be called gay music and I have a strong bias against any form of metal, even some of the poodle hair metal of the 1987 era. As much as I love Bowie, I would never have considered him gay, in fact quite the opposite he chose to be gay around 1971 to further his career, but he was married and screwing girls all the time, he may have done a bit of bi curiousity and liked dressing up in drag, but assuming that someone is gay because of drag is a cruel and ridiculous stereotype, many straight people dress up in drag and very few gay men would identify as drag artistes or transvestites - if anything being gay is about being a MAN who likes other MEN. Also in 1983 with the Lets Dance album, Bowie announced how ultra straight he was and how he had always been straight. If anything I know many gay people who hate his guts because of that and it is mainly quirky straight people who like him more than gays do. I am getting annoyed as there has been few serious choices, Freddie Mercury and the guy from Judas Priest along with Gaga - all bi at best and how open minded of all of you and of course the shit stirring troika of TonyR and Respect have to jump in, one week after I took them off block. Homophobic and ignorant, should NEVER have started this thread. Thought being fans of an artist considered by many to be a homosexual that I would get some more interesting and diverse answers. Of course I know MJ was all man and apparently 100% hetty so don't get angry and twisted but the rumour he was gay, peddy or asexual has never gone away. Also I blame it on Americaness - gay and gay themed acts always did better in the UK and Europe, but in Churchified USA they fell flat. Look at 2000s American group Scissor sisters with 2 gay guys, 1 straight guy and a Trans individual, 2 #1 hits in the UK and successful albums, in their homeland they barely troubled the charts reaching the bottom of the Hot 100. Look at Abba, straight but many gay fans - 11 or 12 #1's in UK and Australia, barely troubled the charts in the USA, 2 Top 40 hits. Queen hit it big with the Disco sounding Another one bites the dust and Crazy little thing, however in 1984 Freddie in drag was too much for Christian and Reaganite audiences and Queen's appeal went south until after Mercury's death and Waynes World revived Bohemian Rhapsody. Yet in the UK Queen kept hitting the Top 30 through the 80s and into the 90s. So yeah its pretty rich that I have Yanks telling me about how they are so open minded towards gays, I mean do you think Disco demolition night would have happened in the mainstream UK (Of course the National Front and a few skinheads may have, but thats it), my country New Zealand leads the world in rights for gays and other minorities and I guess the rest has to do catch up. Does anyone here even know who Sylvester was or even the village people (At elast 5 of them were gay - Victor Willis the first cop wasn't and was shocked when he realised the others were). Judas Priest have albums titles such as Point of Entry, Hell Bent For Leather and Ram It Down and Rob Halford constantly wore leather-studded S&M gear. Many of their most famous songs are full of innuendo and thinly-veiled metaphors for gay sex. Quite how nobody suspected he was gay for twenty years I don't know. I don't know why you are discounting Judas Priest - I thought this thread was about openly gay music artists? In the world of rock and metal, Rob Halford coming out was a big deal, as it is predominately a straight mans genre and I think Halford feared he would be ostracised for being open about his sexuality. But to the contrary, nobody cared. He was still the man with the insane voice who metal fans loved and I think that's really fucking awesome that the rock/metal community embraced him like that. Unfortunately, you wouldn't find that kind of acceptance in R&B/Rap/Hip-Hop circles, which is so ridiculous in 2018.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 20:58:29 GMT
Okay point taken - you like the guy and heavy metal is all about gay sex. I just think of other acts like Gunsnroses which were openly Homophobic (Get in the ring you little faggot) and Norwegian metal group Mayhem who sing about killing gays. It is even worse than dancehall ragga music artist Buju Banton whose song "Bang bang bye" killed his career and Shabba Ranks decrying gayness also say the ragga craze of 1992 die off mercifully quickly.
To be honest I have never cared for heavy metal or Judas Priest, I only know of them through the 1985 case of a boy commiting suicide and the family blaming Judas Priest for it. But if you say he was a one man pride show, I will agree - now lets move on.
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Post by Thriller on Jan 29, 2018 21:09:08 GMT
Triumph, you really need to stop the rants. They're just ridiculous.
'I am getting annoyed as there has been few serious choices, Freddie Mercury and the guy from Judas Priest along with Gaga - all bi at best and how open minded of all of you and of course the shit stirring troika of TonyR and Respect have to jump in, one week after I took them off block. Homophobic and ignorant, should NEVER have started this thread. Thought being fans of an artist considered by many to be a homosexual that I would get some more interesting and diverse answers. Of course I know MJ was all man and apparently 100% hetty so don't get angry and twisted but the rumour he was gay, peddy or asexual has never gone away.'
The B in LGBT stands for bisexual. So why you getting so wound up by people mentioning artists that you deem to be bisexual? Also, how is it homophobic for people to mention supposed bisexual artists, when 1. again, the B stands for bisexual and 2. Why would supposed homophobes (they're really not btw, but let's go with your view point) list a bisexual artist?
'Of course I know MJ was all man and apparently 100% hetty so don't get angry and twisted' You're the one getting all angry and twisted. Also, no member on this forum, as far as I'm aware, has ever deemed MJ to be 'all man' and '100% hetty' and refusing to listen to another opinion. Users may have said 'I think he was straight' but that's hardly the same as what you're saying.
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Post by TonyR on Jan 29, 2018 21:25:04 GMT
Actually you are wrong, there is no evidence that GM had sex with women at all, the girls were all for show and the girls in Wham videos were models or for Andrew, the Chinese girl GM was dating was also paid to pose as his girlfriend. A book I read about him said that on the Faith tour, George went into one room and the woman into another, meanwhile a young man would come up and joinGM and another man would join the girl. I am getting annoyed as there has been few serious choices, Freddie Mercury and the guy from Judas Priest along with Gaga - all bi at best and how open minded of all of you and of course the shit stirring troika of TonyR and Respect have to jump in, one week after I took them off block. Homophobic and ignorant, should NEVER have started this thread. Thought being fans of an artist considered by many to be a homosexual that I would get some more interesting and diverse answers. Of course I know MJ was all man and apparently 100% hetty so don't get angry and twisted but the rumour he was gay, peddy or asexual has never gone away. There's so much wrong with this post, I'm not sure where to start.
By the way, how come it's okay for you to disagree with people & rant on about it, yet when others disagree with you, they're trolling?
George has said himself (rather than in an unauthorised trash you may have read) he had many relationships with women, that part about the Faith tour you've written is pure tabloid rubbish.
And also explain, as a gay man, why it's okay to call MJ 'all man' because you believe he was hetrosexual. Therefore insinuation all non-straight men are not 'all men'.
Also, lumping in 'peddy' (I presume you mean paedophile') in with gay & asexual is so wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 21:56:57 GMT
I am dignify your pile of steaming crap with an answer, but I will block your troll ass again. I never said non straight men as you put are not "all men" did you read the whole post about me getting angry at the stereotype that men are gay if they do drag, and drag is an exclusivley gay thing as its not.
Stop select reading Tony Enquirer Diamond.
To be honest, I don't think Michael was all man anyway, he was effeminate and because of that I don't like him any less he was a beautiful individual and a suprememly gifted person.
The fact you think GM was bi and liked women is hilarious and speaks volumes about you.
The fact the first people mentioned were Gaga and Judas Priest along with Freddiue Mercury shows how backwards the answers are. Have none of you heard of Erasure, Suede, Scissor Sisters or Rufus Wainwright - real gay artists. Like I said this thread was a mistake as all it has done is make me all defensivo against the blood thirsty ogres and trolls like Disrepsect77 and Tony Enquirer.
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Post by TonyR on Jan 29, 2018 22:39:48 GMT
I understand all those words individually but together they make no sense.
I never said George was bi, I said (and he said) he experimented with women as 99% of gay men do.
I'm the worlds biggest Suede fan, and btw none if them are gay. They, like their muse Bowle, just originally presented a gender ambiguous image.
Michael wasn't all man? I think he may have been asexual, but I still wouldn't use the term not all man. He was still a man.
I like my name Tony Enquirer though and gives me a great idea to start my own detective agency, so cheers for that.
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Post by SmoothGangsta on Jan 29, 2018 23:48:17 GMT
Well, this thread lasted all of 5 posts.
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Post by respect77 on Jan 30, 2018 1:02:52 GMT
Why do I even bother with this guy and his threads any more? He is incapable of an adult conversation, just childish rants if he gets disagreements. It's ridiculous to exclude someone like Freddie Mercury based on arbitrary criteria that is actually true of many other people he has included. And we are the "homophobic" for including the "B" of LGBT as well? You know, I often hear bisexuals that gay people can be as discriminatory against them as straight people. I guess this thread is a good example of a gay man being discriminatory against bisexuals. And sorry, but the cheap dig at MJ because you are angry with us again just shows how childish you are. And I will rather believe George Michael about his sexuality than some tabloid you have read again. He DID have relationships with females. www.google.hu/amp/people.com/music/george-michaels-on-sex-sexuality/amp/
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Post by aazzaabb on Jan 30, 2018 1:38:58 GMT
@triumph1976 , your getting defensive for no reason mate. You can't really just dismiss someone like Freddie Mercury because he doesn't fit a certain criteria. He grew up in London and as others have said, the 70's and 80's was a much harder time to be openly gay.
My favourite group are Pet Shop Boys. Neil Tennant has been openly gay since 94 when he came out in an Attitude magazine interview. Chris Lowe has remained quite but it's assumed within the fan community that he's gay or at least bi. Neil is also a patron of the Elton John AIDS Foundation -not that AIDS is specific to only gay people- and there's endless reference to the gay lifestyle in Neil's lyrics and also double entendres such as their track "So Hard". For me they're at the absolute forefront of the British/European LGBT pop scene as they've produced and remixed for everyone associated with it musically; Bowie, Madonna, Liza Minnelli, Kylie, Boy George, Pete Burns, Elton John, Lady Gaga, Pantie Bliss, Dusty Springfield, Rufus Wainwright, well you get the picture.
George Michael is second only to MJ in terms of favourite vocalists and although your disconnecting straight gay icons, I'm a fan of Kylie's 90's and early to mid noughties material aswell as Madonna. I suppose I'm a fan of synth pop really.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 4:07:23 GMT
Last two posts good -everyone else well I fell on my sword and accepted the Judas Priest guy and Mercury yet I am still getting hatred and scorn poured my way by Tony R, however I can't see his response as he is blocked, and never will. I am going back to the chart now.
MattyJam lock this thread and delete it if you like.
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