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Post by ghost on Mar 21, 2018 8:58:53 GMT
I used to go to several concerts a year, but these days I just find it hard to justify the expense. All the good tickets get syphoned off to secondary ticket sites who charge three times the face value for a ticket, and by the time you factor in travel and accommodation costs, you’re easily looking at spending upwards of £300-400 on a single night out.
It’s a shame, as going to live shows is one of my favourite pastimes, but it’s just become unaffordable for me.
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Post by HIStoric on Mar 21, 2018 10:30:25 GMT
Not really. If I want to go to see an artist, I'll just go. Rarely have to consider accomodation/travel either, nor have I ever bought a ticket second hand. I'm pretty good at getting in first time round. My friends and I have a system set up where we all try and buy the groups tickets on our respective computers. Whoever has the best seats then buys the tickets, then we pay them back. It's a good system because it means statistically at least one of us is pretty likely to get through, but it also means we get to pick whichever seats we got that are best.
Depending on the lineup, how often I go to a concert varies. I've been to a decent number of concerts in the past 6 months, got another lined up too but there was a bit of a dry spell before this so yeah. I don't go enough that the price is really getting to me y'know?
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Post by Russg on Mar 21, 2018 12:08:43 GMT
My friends and I have a system set up where we all try and buy the groups tickets on our respective computers. Whoever has the best seats then buys the tickets, then we pay them back. It's a good system because it means statistically at least one of us is pretty likely to get through, but it also means we get to pick whichever seats we got that are best. I still don't see how that system gets you good tickets. Ticketmaster give all the tickets near the front to secondary sites like Viagogo and Getmein who then jack up the price, and the only seats left on Ticketmaster are the ones at the back. This is often the case, even within the first few minutes of tickets going on sale.
I have found in my own experience that it is virtually impossible to get tickets near the front without using secondary ticket sites.
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Post by HIStoric on Mar 21, 2018 12:49:41 GMT
My friends and I have a system set up where we all try and buy the groups tickets on our respective computers. Whoever has the best seats then buys the tickets, then we pay them back. It's a good system because it means statistically at least one of us is pretty likely to get through, but it also means we get to pick whichever seats we got that are best. I still don't see how that system gets you good tickets. Ticketmaster give all the tickets near the front to secondary sites like Viagogo and Getmein who then jack up the price, and the only seats left on Ticketmaster are the ones at the back. This is often the case, even within the first few minutes of tickets going on sale.
I have found in my own experience that it is virtually impossible to get tickets near the front without using secondary ticket sites.
Well it does. The tickets we've got so far have generally been pretty good for their allocated section in all honesty (bar one that was average, but hey). Maybe that practise is more common with the Ticketmaster in your country than in mine?
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Post by MattyJam on Mar 21, 2018 17:33:50 GMT
Ticket touting is a major problem here in the UK. If I want to see someone bad enough, I will always get tickets from secondary ticket sites, mainly because it is the only way to get seats close to the stage. Living on the farm down in Devon, it's a pretty big deal (and expense) to travel to London and see a show, so if I am prepared to make the effort, I want to make sure I am near the front.
But with the inflated prices of tickets on these sites I have to want to see someone pretty badly to justify the cost.
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Post by TonyR on Mar 21, 2018 21:51:26 GMT
I’ve stopped worrying about it. Because when I’m 70 I’m going to look back at seeing Michael Jackson, Madonna, Stevie, George Michael, Janet, Queen, Oasis, Prince etc etc. as some of the best moments in my life.
I’ve paid silly prices for some of these gigs but life is about experiences.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 22:30:27 GMT
I have unless it is one of my favourite artists. Not only in New Zealand are concerts expensive, we have a stupid set of policies. The first is the use of drip pricing, often shows will have tickets advertised at a certain price, but that is not what you pay. You usually pay a $5 - $10 service fee, $10 or so booking fee, $5 ticket pick up or printing fee (Even if you print the thing out by email!), one time a venue charged a $6.30 facility fee, and then you were charged 3.3% Card fee regardless of the card being credit or debit and cash or cheque was not accepted. For example Prince, 2016 Ticket $389.00 Service Fee $8.90 Booking Fee $5.90 Facility Fee $3.25 Card fee $10.19 (Mastercard)
There is a campaign by our consumers institute to stop this drip pricing and make retailers show the whole price with all these silly fees included. They also use bait pricing on posters and say things like (* Terms and conditiona may apply, the promoter reserves rights to change prices with no notice), yet you will see Tickets at $XXX in bold letters.
Bait pricing is like promoting concert tickets at $99 each, and in reality 100 tickets are $99, the rest are $400 or more and this not mentioned. Also cheap tickets if any will be far up in the gallows and usually with a pillar or something in front.
We also have a problem with credit card companies and cororates sponsoring tours, so they get a 50% allocation of tickets and priority purchases before the general public. Scalpers have been known to buy up tickets too and the cheap tickets often go in this early part.
We also have a problme with scalpers who buy tickets in batches and on sell them at inflated prices, our local ebay - Trade Me banned this practice, but now scalpers have turned to the sites Viagogo and Ticketmaster resale. Both charge exorbitant fees on scalped tickets and often charge u in foreign currencies charging more and people have even received fake or double booked tickets. The Consumers are also trying to ban the Rothschild owned Viagogo here as it got banned in Australia.
The govt had some scalping laws banning it at "A" rate events which in rugby mad NZ is mostly for the World Cup Rugby matches and All Blacks games, Music concerts are usually "B" or "C" events and thus have no scalping laws. There have been several recent scandals with Bruno Mars and Celine Dion tickets selling out inseconds to scalpers and appearing on Viagogo at 10x the price on average and they did nothing about it. A system to name ticket buyers and limit tickets to 4 per buyer has not worked with scalpers using aliases and a recent case of Bruno Mars tickets sold on Viagogo saw ticket buyers left out.
While the Viagogo scandals continue I am not going to anyshows unless I can buy them from a box office, the business of ticket selling to concerts and events has got too corporate and too greedy and scamming people is legalised, with restricted allocations, drip and bait pricing prevailing. The Celine Dion tickets are to be realeased for a third show and it will appear to see if they also sell out and appear on Viagogo in seconds like the first two batches did.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 22:36:18 GMT
Concert tickets went up exponentially here over time
1960 - Standard concert for rock and roll and pop acts (NZ and Australia artists) - 1/6 to 4/- (15c to 40c) 1965 - Rolling Stones 5/- and 7/6 (50c and 75c) - saw in some 1965 newspapers. 1973 - Rolling Stones $1.50 - $4.50 (My parents went) 1980 - Split Enz/Dragon - $8.99 - $12.49 1986 - Dire Straits - $20 (My first ever concert, this may have been a kid ticket, but I heard no one paid over $25) 1989 - U2 - $34.99 (My 2nd concert, all the tickets were at this, except some VIP box ones) 1995 - Rolling Stones - $59 - $129 (My partner lived in a house fronting our main outdoor concert arena and charged $10 for people to come in and watch it) 1997 - Elton John/Billy Joel - $79.95 (Bought and went to it, every show from now on except Bruno Mars I went to) 2005 - Cher - $129/300 most at $129 2014 - Lionel Richie/John Farnham - $199 2016 - Prince - $99/$198/$398 (98% at $398) 2018 - Bruno Mars $200 up, most at $4 - 500
Until 1967, New Zealand used the £ sterling made up of 20/- each of 12pence (240 pence = £1) It changed to the $ which was 10/- so $2 = £1
Inflation has increased prices around 20x since 1967 - so $1 in 1967 is worth arund $20 now.
So a Bruno Mars concert ticket in 1960 money would be about £20- £25 in their money, 4/- is worth about $10 in todays money, so they can not blame inflation.
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Post by MattyJam on Mar 21, 2018 22:44:38 GMT
Because when I’m 70 I’m going to look back at seeing Michael Jackson, Madonna, Stevie, George Michael, Janet, Queen, Oasis, Prince etc etc. as some of the best moments in my life. That reminds me... when is the big 7-0 again, Tony?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 22:55:35 GMT
Next week
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Post by HIStoric on Mar 22, 2018 2:09:55 GMT
I’ve stopped worrying about it. Because when I’m 70 I’m going to look back at seeing Michael Jackson, Madonna, Stevie, George Michael, Janet, Queen, Oasis, Prince etc etc. as some of the best moments in my life. I’ve paid silly prices for some of these gigs but life is about experiences. Yeah that’s pretty much how I view it, Tony. Seeing Paul McCartney was one of the best nights ever, it’s a night I’ll never ever forget and money wasn’t an object to see him. Ticket fees suck balls but I mean, what can ya do about them sadly. I just see the face value ticket prices and add a bit more in my head to account for it. I’ve never had an issue getting tickets (like i said above, pretty good at getting them first time around) so these secondary websites have never really been an issue for me, but I do agree those inflated prices are crap. I wish governments would step into reduce or get rid of scalping.
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Post by TonyR on Mar 22, 2018 9:32:40 GMT
Because when I’m 70 I’m going to look back at seeing Michael Jackson, Madonna, Stevie, George Michael, Janet, Queen, Oasis, Prince etc etc. as some of the best moments in my life. That reminds me... when is the big 7-0 again, Tony? In 25 years time you cheeky shit. Or the same time Brexit gets sorted. Oooh....politics...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 10:47:37 GMT
I go to as many as I can in a year, and usually they are worth it. If not, I make a note of it. To be honest, lot;s of things have increased in prices over the years, so I guess it's only expected that gigs would too. Artists make no money from albums these days.
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Post by ChrisC on Mar 23, 2018 13:06:26 GMT
Touting is definitely a problem and getting decent seats is something of an art form, but I have to agree I've been pretty good at getting a close to the stage seat without resorting to secondary sites.
A new practice I've noticed is artists charging a premium to sit within the first rows. VIP packages, usually tiered bronze to platinum depending on how close you want to sit. And when I say a premium I mean 6, 7, 8 times face value. Can't blame the touts there.
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Post by HIStoric on Mar 23, 2018 14:01:36 GMT
I go to as many as I can in a year, and usually they are worth it. If not, I make a note of it. To be honest, lot;s of things have increased in prices over the years, so I guess it's only expected that gigs would too. Artists make no money from albums these days. Yes, I suspect that has factored into ticket prices over the past two decades as downloading music through 'other means' has become more and more popular. I believe it's curbed off a decent amount in the past few years thanks to streaming services, but those still don't make artists as much money. Still, some money is better than no money.
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