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Post by Snow White on May 30, 2018 11:51:06 GMT
Matt, Aaron, why are you calling what Roseanne said a joke? What she said is deliberately hateful and denigrating besides highly racist towards a black person. You're downplaying her racism calling it a joke. Obama wrote that bill trying to revive the economy, so the message is clear.
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Post by respect77 on May 30, 2018 12:08:49 GMT
I reserve my compassion for the black people she offended. Calling black people apes is highly offensive and racist and has a whole history behind it. I thought Rosanne was an adult who is responsible for her actions and comments. I feel sorry for all the people who lose their job because of her, but not for her. Did she call all black people apes or just one dude she didn't like? Take all the moral high ground you want, at the end of the day she didn't murder or rape anyone. Black people throw racism at white people too. But everyone is still alive. And also lets drop people like Eddie Murphy and Chris Rock who have spouted racist comments over the years. I reserve my compassion for the people who lost their jobs. No, she didn't kill anyone. But by that logic I could answer: "and it's not like she is being executed, so what is your problem?". People lose their jobs every day for smaller things and I never heard that only murder or rape is a good reason for terminating someone's job. Especially if you are a public person, you should be able to take responsibility for whatever shit you take to social media. And in your previous post the compassion that you were asking for seemed to be toward Rosanne, not her employees. Of course if you meant her employees I can join you on that compassion, but not for Rosanne. And it wasn't a dude, but a woman she called an ape. Since she's an African American woman and it was a reference to her appearance and black people have historically been called apes as a form of highly offensive racism, you cannot really excuse this by saying "it was just one black person she called an ape, not generally black people, so what's the big deal". Those racist cartoons in the 1930s deliberately portrayed black people as ape like creatures. So this has a whole history why you don't call black people apes.
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Post by HIStoric on May 30, 2018 12:11:23 GMT
She didn't murder or rape anyone Take all the moral high ground you want, at the end of the day she didn't murder or rape anyone. Didn't realize this was the bar we held ourselves to.
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Post by Snow White on May 30, 2018 12:15:00 GMT
Like I said in my first comment, she deserves it, the cast and crew don't. They could have killed Roseanne off the show, there's humor on a different level reminiscing on what a classless, racist, scumbag she was.
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Post by aazzaabb on May 30, 2018 12:21:43 GMT
Matt, Aaron, why are you calling what Roseanne said a joke? What she said is deliberately hateful and denigrating besides highly racist towards a black person. You're downplaying her racism calling it a joke. Obama wrote that bill trying to revive the economy, so the message is clear. I don't think anyone has said it was a joke. Was it a highly offensive remark? Yes! Was it rape or murder? No. Do a whole bunch of people deserve to lose their jobs because their boss quipped an offensive remark? Hell no! Let's also keep this in context here; she called a black man an ape. Highly offensive to the guy and I have empathy for him. Do the people eho work on the show deserve to lose their job over it? No! Cops in America are killing black people every week and keeping their jobs. Despicable! And there's a very big difference. I'm Irish living in the UK. From time to time I get called a paddy and a leprechaun, -theres a whole history behind it- and a few other things. But that's more to do with the type of work that I do; dealing with people in and out of the prison system. My point is, is that we need to put perspective on things. People offend people.
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Post by respect77 on May 30, 2018 12:30:05 GMT
Since when is rape and murder are the only reasons for someone to lose their job?
It's not rape or murder. And she's not being sentenced to jail or death penalty either.
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Post by aazzaabb on May 30, 2018 12:32:10 GMT
Did she call all black people apes or just one dude she didn't like? Take all the moral high ground you want, at the end of the day she didn't murder or rape anyone. Black people throw racism at white people too. But everyone is still alive. And also lets drop people like Eddie Murphy and Chris Rock who have spouted racist comments over the years. I reserve my compassion for the people who lost their jobs. No, she didn't kill anyone. But by that logic I could answer: "and it's not like she is being executed, so what is your problem?". People lose their jobs every day for smaller things and I never heard that only murder or rape is a good reason for terminating someone's job. Especially if you are a public person, you should be able to take responsibility for whatever shit you take to social media. And in your previous post the compassion that you were asking for seemed to be toward Rosanne, not her employees. Of course if you meant her employees I can join you on that compassion, but not for Rosanne. And it wasn't a dude, but a woman she called an ape. Since she's an African American woman and it was a reference to her appearance and black people have historically been called apes as a form of highly offensive racism, you cannot really excuse this by saying "it was just one black person she called an ape, not generally black people, so what's the big deal". Those racist cartoons in the 1930s deliberately portrayed black people as ape like creatures. So this has a whole history why you don't call black people apes. Respect; with respect, you do this a lot. You come to a discussion on your back foot prepared for a big debate and philosophical discussion like you're on the defensive. Whether it was a man or woman, makes no difference, does it? I'm well aware of the history behind the term. I don't like it, I don't agree with it but I think an apology would have been enough really. In a country where a president can be abusive towards women, stop Muslims entering the contry and avoid paying tax for his multi billion business then really this woman's comment wasn't the worst thing to ever happen. Anyways. Thats my point, thats my opinion and I'm happy with my opinion and I stand by it.
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Post by aazzaabb on May 30, 2018 12:37:16 GMT
Since when is rape and murder are the only reasons for someone to lose their job? It's not rape or murder. And she's not being sentenced to jail or death penalty either. But where do you draw the line? Should everyone who's ever said anything derogatory lose their jobs? Is it only when its a white person saying it about a black person? Nobody would be left to do any job.
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Post by Snow White on May 30, 2018 12:41:49 GMT
Roseanne made that despicable comparison to Valerie Jarrett, Obama's longest-serving aide. You said whether it was a man or a woman makes no difference, women should encourage and help other women, not deliberately put them down. That's what made her action more despicable. And read my previous post to this one.
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Post by aazzaabb on May 30, 2018 12:56:17 GMT
Roseanne made that despicable comparison to Valerie Jarrett, Obama's longest-serving aide. You said whether it was a man or a woman makes no difference, women should encourage and help other women, not deliberately put them down. That's what made her action more despicable. And read my previous post to this one. No Snow White. I asked the question "does it make a difference?" What I'm alluding to really I suppose is that women are fighting for equality. I'm not sure if women should encourage other women regardless? I mean they could have a multitude of differences including entire life philosophies, and to go further; if women want equality then they should be allowed to express their differences also, just like men. I understand what you're getting at though, although I think it's more complex than merely women encouraging women.
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Post by respect77 on May 30, 2018 13:01:23 GMT
Since when is rape and murder are the only reasons for someone to lose their job? It's not rape or murder. And she's not being sentenced to jail or death penalty either. But where do you draw the line? Should everyone who's ever said anything derogatory lose their jobs? Is it only when its a white person saying it about a black person? Nobody would be left to do any job. Employers can draw the line wherever they want. I don't know what it's like in your country, but in mine there are laws that make the firing of someone perfectly legit if they do something that harms the reputation of the company. A public figure on a TV channel publicly represents the TV channel, so racist comments by that person can be harmful for the reputation of the company if they do nothing. So yes, they absolutely can draw the line here. In fact, people are getting fired for such things all the time from companies all over the world so why should Rosanne, a public figure with a much bigger responsibility in representing a company than an average Joe, be exempt from it?
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Post by aazzaabb on May 30, 2018 13:13:52 GMT
But where do you draw the line? Should everyone who's ever said anything derogatory lose their jobs? Is it only when its a white person saying it about a black person? Nobody would be left to do any job. Employers can draw the line wherever they want. I don't know what it's like in your country, but in mine there are laws that make the firing of someone perfectly legit if they do something that harms the reputation of the company. A public figure on a TV channel publicly represents the TV channel, so racist comments by that person can be harmful for the reputation of the company if they do nothing. So yes, they absolutely can draw the line here. In fact, people are getting fired for such things all the time from companies all over the world so why should Rosanne, a public figure with a much bigger responsibility in representing a company than an average Joe, be exempt from it? Well lets define it then. Is it a racist comment or is it racist comment(s)? Do we need to fire black people who have in the past made racist comments also? I would expect we do, if we're going to hold up these values. I don't believe something is right just because it is written in law. There's an expression "the law is an ass" and if the law were the absolute right way in which everything was ever done, then bills from the past would never need to be changed. Personally, no, I don't share the belief that a person be fired for one racist remark whether black or white, because of law. Furthermore, I don't agree that a police man should walk free for killing a black man, because of law.
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Post by respect77 on May 30, 2018 13:24:37 GMT
Employers can draw the line wherever they want. I don't know what it's like in your country, but in mine there are laws that make the firing of someone perfectly legit if they do something that harms the reputation of the company. A public figure on a TV channel publicly represents the TV channel, so racist comments by that person can be harmful for the reputation of the company if they do nothing. So yes, they absolutely can draw the line here. In fact, people are getting fired for such things all the time from companies all over the world so why should Rosanne, a public figure with a much bigger responsibility in representing a company than an average Joe, be exempt from it? Well lets define it then. Is it a racist comment or is it racist comment(s)? Do we need to fire black people who have in the past made racist comments also? I would expect we do, if we're going to hold up these values. I don't believe something is right just because it is written in law. There's an expression "the law is an ass" and if the law were the absolute right way in which everything was ever done, then bills from the past would never need to be changed. Personally, no, I don't share the belief that a person be fired for one racist remark whether black or white, because of law. Furthermore, I don't agree that a police man should walk free for killing a black man, because of law. Well, you could run your company by different standards then. But other companies might be sensitive to such things and that's perfectly alright. It's also not the same from a company POV in what context someone made a racist comment. Whether two employees shared a racist joke among each other in the bathroom is not the same as someone who is in a main position in a company and represents it to the outside world and goes to social media and makes a racist comment. I'd suspect a lot of companies would fire such a person. You wouldn't,ok. But I think it's a perfectly reasonable position if they do.
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Post by Snow White on May 30, 2018 13:24:58 GMT
ABC could have lost money and sponsors if they risk keeping a racist, prominent public figure representing their network, ABC had legit reasons to fire her. And I found out they couldn't do what I suggested previously of killing her character because she's the owner of the intelectual property of Roseanne the show which includes the other characters besides the leading role.
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Post by aazzaabb on May 30, 2018 13:53:49 GMT
Well lets define it then. Is it a racist comment or is it racist comment(s)? Do we need to fire black people who have in the past made racist comments also? I would expect we do, if we're going to hold up these values. I don't believe something is right just because it is written in law. There's an expression "the law is an ass" and if the law were the absolute right way in which everything was ever done, then bills from the past would never need to be changed. Personally, no, I don't share the belief that a person be fired for one racist remark whether black or white, because of law. Furthermore, I don't agree that a police man should walk free for killing a black man, because of law. Well, you could run your company by different standards then. But other companies might be sensitive to such things and that's perfectly alright. It's also not the same from a company POV in what context someone made a racist comment. Whether two employees shared a racist joke among each other in the bathroom is not the same as someone who is in a main position in a company and represents it to the outside world and goes to social media and makes a racist comment. I'd suspect a lot of companies would fire such a person. You wouldn't,ok. But I think it's a perfectly reasonable position if they do. If they made one racist comment that got out into the public domain, then no, I wouldn't fire them. A public apology would suffice. I would have to put the other actor's and production teams livelihoods before anything else really at that point.
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